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AnubisADL
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11/14/2010  11:37 PM
Video Source: http://www.fromthebaseline.com/index.php?option=com_hdflvplayer&id=96

Here we go.............

I didnt really like Jennings saying what he said to the media either but it got results. So maybe it will help us out.

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TMS
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11/14/2010  11:47 PM
i love what he's saying, but as a leader he has to realize that accountability starts with him... he needs to step up his own game if he expects other guys to follow suit... & so does Ray Felton... it takes more than just telling your teammates to step it up to be a leader... u gotta start by stepping it up yourself Amare.

what he said about the loser's mentality is what's plagued this franchise for the past decade... there's always excuses, finger pointing, no one accepting accountability for themselves... no matter if it's Isiah, Donnie Walsh, Mike D'Antoni, Amare Stoudamire, Clyde Frazier or anyone else addressing the problems, nothing ever seems to change... we're freakin' cursed i tell you!

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11/14/2010  11:57 PM
TMS wrote:i love what he's saying, but as a leader he has to realize that accountability starts with him... he needs to step up his own game if he expects other guys to follow suit... & so does Ray Felton... it takes more than just telling your teammates to step it up to be a leader... u gotta start by stepping it up yourself Amare.

what he said about the loser's mentality is what's plagued this franchise for the past decade... there's always excuses, finger pointing, no one accepting accountability for themselves... no matter if it's Isiah, Donnie Walsh, Mike D'Antoni, Amare Stoudamire, Clyde Frazier or anyone else addressing the problems, nothing ever seems to change... we're freakin' cursed i tell you!

It's no curse. We just need better floor spacing and more three point shooting and a point guard who find players on a pick and roll. Or maybe we just need a coach like Rick Adelman who always seems to find success adjusting to the skills of the players on his roster.

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AnubisADL
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11/14/2010  11:58 PM
Guys are playing lazy though. Guys seem to be floating around. Fields seems to be the only guy other than Amare playing at a high energy level consistently.
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11/14/2010  11:59 PM
I think there was nothing wrong with what he said. He is right. He is the hardest working guy on the team and has been praised for his work ethic and preperation. He is the star of the team, the alpha dog. He is not only the best player on the team but he is the leader and the driving force because the coach is not that kind of person. He has had to take on a Messier type role and he has done it. It isn't fair to him and he is right to speak up about the lack of effort and apparent apathy that the franchise has.
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11/15/2010  12:02 AM
Meanwhile in D'Antoni's mind:

“Obviously nobody wants to lose and everybody is pressing,” coach Mike D’Antoni said. “The reality is we’re 3-7 and we’ve got a game on Tuesday. So you just try to figure out what’s going wrong, how can you get a little bit better, who to play in the rotations and hit it on Tuesday. At this point that’s all we can do.”

Maybe I have it against him already, but this sounds like a guy that doesn't care anymore. He will come back next day, do the same thing he did before and see what happens next game. In other words, "whatever".

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11/15/2010  12:04 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/15/2010  12:05 AM
Thanks for the link Annubis. What stood out for me was "Its like we don't care" and saying basically that they are heartless. Amare shares the blame with the other players, the coaching staff, but it sounds like he is trying to do more than just fill a box score and I respect that. My guess is if this keeps up they tell D'Antoni to bring in a new assistant coach as a shot across the bow. He might quit or get fired if he refuses (despite what Walsh is saying now) but he has to wonder if this will be his last head coaching gig. There is enough talent on this squad to compete, they did the same with much less the last two seasons. Is he too proud to admit he needs help? Probably.
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11/15/2010  12:17 AM
I said it before how long before the seeds of doubt enter Amare head 10 games in and he looks beat. Walsh wake up and get the man some help.
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11/15/2010  1:36 AM
CrushAlot wrote:I think there was nothing wrong with what he said. He is right. He is the hardest working guy on the team and has been praised for his work ethic and preperation. He is the star of the team, the alpha dog. He is not only the best player on the team but he is the leader and the driving force because the coach is not that kind of person. He has had to take on a Messier type role and he has done it. It isn't fair to him and he is right to speak up about the lack of effort and apparent apathy that the franchise has.

i don't think there was anything wrong w/what he said either, but he's also a part of the problem right now... i can see him trying his best but he's also forcing up shots & committing bad turnovers this year... a big part of that is our PG's inability to get him the ball in space, but that doesn't excuse the mistakes he's making on the court either... his shooting % is way below his career average this season & part of the reason is that he's out shooting 3's & forcing up shots into double teams... as captain of the team i love the fact that he's speaking up, but i didn't hear much accountability in his words for his own mistakes this season... there is an obvious lack of chemistry between him & Ray Felton, & that is an issue that both those guys need to get to work on before they expect anyone else to step up their games... accountability starts with the guy you see in the mirror.

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11/15/2010  6:18 AM
someone needs to call the coach out. MDA needs to set the tone. He needs to adjust the offense if personel can't execute.

Bravo on calling out Rick Adelman as a coach that always gets his team to win.

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11/15/2010  6:59 AM
AnubisADL wrote:Guys are playing lazy though. Guys seem to be floating around. Fields seems to be the only guy other than Amare playing at a high energy level consistently.

Yeah I generally like fields except he gave up a ton of points last night.
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11/15/2010  7:13 AM
They did a nice job giving him space last night. I partyly give blame/credit to houston though for not helping much on him. We had one side of the floor stacked and amare iso'd on the opposite side so it was actually fairly poor spacing but houston was giving it to us. Amare needs to play at least that good EVERY game. And Douglas just needs to GTFO. Besides a game or two he has been flat out atrocious. I'm tired of watching him brick shots and run the offense into the ground as well as gamnle every play on defense and get burned. I think we should go after a backup point right now. Felton cant play 48 min. For the time being I'd consider giving Rautins a shot.

Mainly, this team has to take good shots every play, they have to find ways to get easy baskets. They are beating themselves.

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11/15/2010  8:47 AM
I have no problem with this either. The team needs to step it up, so hopefully they get the message this time.
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11/15/2010  8:47 AM
AnubisADL wrote:Guys are playing lazy though. Guys seem to be floating around. Fields seems to be the only guy other than Amare playing at a high energy level consistently.

I would put Gallo in that group. At least for the past 4 games or so. They are just not getting him the ball also. This really starts with the PG play. Felton is struggling but TD has just been awful. I was worried when he was making all those shots in the beginning of the season. It gave him a false sense of security. TD needs to know that the right play is the one that leads to an easy basket and the spectacular.

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11/15/2010  8:49 AM
I dont' have a problem with what Amare said. He did not single out anybody and he is just imploring his teammates to play harder. Amare plays hard, we can see that. His problem is that he is a PF and not a playmaker. He is a finisher. He needs somebody to set him up in the spot he is comfortable with.
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11/15/2010  9:26 AM
Guys defending Gallo are making me lose my lunch on this board. He is a major reason, if not the reason that the Knicks are 3-7.

If Gallo, and to a larger extent, the team cannot shoot better than 30% from deep then we're not going to sniff the playoffs. Its simple math. We're built to hit the trey at a better than average clip. If we can't do that, then we lose, lose and lose some more.

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11/15/2010  9:48 AM
JohnWallace44 wrote:Guys defending Gallo are making me lose my lunch on this board. He is a major reason, if not the reason that the Knicks are 3-7.

If Gallo, and to a larger extent, the team cannot shoot better than 30% from deep then we're not going to sniff the playoffs. Its simple math. We're built to hit the trey at a better than average clip. If we can't do that, then we lose, lose and lose some more.

They aren't built to hit the three they are built to take the threes. Just because they make a few threes that doesn't mean they are good at hitting threes. This team is not a three point shooting team, the system is all wrong. Gallo should not be a three point shooter. He should be down in the blocks posting up, dropping points getting the ball at the top of the key and creating for a shot or his teammates. Same with Chandler he should be doing the same thing. Threes should come in the flow of the game it should never be the end all be all for a team, that is the problem with the Knicks they rely on lazy basketball and as you can see if the three isn't falling the team looks lazy out there.

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11/15/2010  9:52 AM
the team sucks--what else is Amar'e supposed to talk about
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11/15/2010  11:17 AM
Knicksfan wrote:Meanwhile in D'Antoni's mind:

“Obviously nobody wants to lose and everybody is pressing,” coach Mike D’Antoni said. “The reality is we’re 3-7 and we’ve got a game on Tuesday. So you just try to figure out what’s going wrong, how can you get a little bit better, who to play in the rotations and hit it on Tuesday. At this point that’s all we can do.”

Maybe I have it against him already, but this sounds like a guy that doesn't care anymore. He will come back next day, do the same thing he did before and see what happens next game. In other words, "whatever".

I am starting to come around to this way of seeing MDA, too. He doesn't inspire the team, he doesn't inspire the fans, and he almost seems to be in over his head. He has a gimmicky system that depends on an elite play maker and not much else. He doesn't make substitutions at the right time, he doesn't control momentum with the limited tools a coach has, and he doesn't put any fire in the bellies of men.

I am willing to give him 20 more games to turn things around. After Dec. 15th, I want roster changes starting at the top.

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11/15/2010  11:19 AM
Vmart wrote:
JohnWallace44 wrote:Guys defending Gallo are making me lose my lunch on this board. He is a major reason, if not the reason that the Knicks are 3-7.

If Gallo, and to a larger extent, the team cannot shoot better than 30% from deep then we're not going to sniff the playoffs. Its simple math. We're built to hit the trey at a better than average clip. If we can't do that, then we lose, lose and lose some more.

They aren't built to hit the three they are built to take the threes. Just because they make a few threes that doesn't mean they are good at hitting threes. This team is not a three point shooting team, the system is all wrong. Gallo should not be a three point shooter. He should be down in the blocks posting up, dropping points getting the ball at the top of the key and creating for a shot or his teammates. Same with Chandler he should be doing the same thing. Threes should come in the flow of the game it should never be the end all be all for a team, that is the problem with the Knicks they rely on lazy basketball and as you can see if the three isn't falling the team looks lazy out there.

Word. Threes are killing us because they are the focal point. We need them to come, yes, but only in the flow of the offense.

Our problem: The offense has no flow and Ray can't execute the P&R properly. Right now we are a ship foundering on rocks. We need a change of course to break us free.

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