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Childs2Dudley
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11/13/2010  12:28 PM
Donnie Walsh's biggest error is not Brandon Jennings or the trade with Houston.

Walsh's biggest error is hiring D'Antoni instead of Scott Skiles or Avery Johnson. At the time these were the options he had narrowed it down to and he made the absolute wrong choice.

I was on the fence on it then and now I completely am against D'Antoni. Mike D'Antoni has proved he can't coach without Steve Nash and that his system is a fluke that is based around having great shooters and all-star caliber players. He has failed here and he must be fire ASAP.

Scott Skiles would have been my choice and it was a guy I hoped we hired at the time. A no-nonsense guy who stresses defense is just what we needed. Instead we got a lackadaisical coach interested in his gimmick offense and nothing else. Pringles can't take criticism, he doesn't put any blame on himself and his teams never play any defense. D'Antoni is awful.

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11/13/2010  12:40 PM
I thought Mark Jackson was the 2nd choice candidate for the job after D'Antoni?

I'm not really a fan of Avery Johnson, but Scott Skiles would've been great to have. He's also done a great job molding Jennings into a legit point guard, even if Jennings has no J.

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11/13/2010  1:16 PM
Childs2Dudley wrote:Donnie Walsh's biggest error is not Brandon Jennings or the trade with Houston.

Walsh's biggest error is hiring D'Antoni instead of Scott Skiles or Avery Johnson. At the time these were the options he had narrowed it down to and he made the absolute wrong choice.

I was on the fence on it then and now I completely am against D'Antoni. Mike D'Antoni has proved he can't coach without Steve Nash and that his system is a fluke that is based around having great shooters and all-star caliber players. He has failed here and he must be fire ASAP.

Scott Skiles would have been my choice and it was a guy I hoped we hired at the time. A no-nonsense guy who stresses defense is just what we needed. Instead we got a lackadaisical coach interested in his gimmick offense and nothing else. Pringles can't take criticism, he doesn't put any blame on himself and his teams never play any defense. D'Antoni is awful.

I disagree. D'Antoni is similar to Larry Brown. They want "their" type of players and arent very flexible. Now I have no doubt they could win with their players. The issue is they need dam near allstars at every position or a super star to win anything.

Constantly trading away picks and not drafting Jennings are the biggest errors. If we had Jennings we have a point who could make plays and run the offense.

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11/13/2010  1:17 PM
Childs2Dudley wrote:Donnie Walsh's biggest error is not Brandon Jennings or the trade with Houston.

Walsh's biggest error is hiring D'Antoni instead of Scott Skiles or Avery Johnson. At the time these were the options he had narrowed it down to and he made the absolute wrong choice.

I was on the fence on it then and now I completely am against D'Antoni. Mike D'Antoni has proved he can't coach without Steve Nash and that his system is a fluke that is based around having great shooters and all-star caliber players. He has failed here and he must be fire ASAP.

Scott Skiles would have been my choice and it was a guy I hoped we hired at the time. A no-nonsense guy who stresses defense is just what we needed. Instead we got a lackadaisical coach interested in his gimmick offense and nothing else. Pringles can't take criticism, he doesn't put any blame on himself and his teams never play any defense. D'Antoni is awful.


I agree 100%. He also is extremely loyal and seems to feel that he owes D'Antoni this year and next no matter what.
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11/13/2010  2:07 PM
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Childs2Dudley wrote:Donnie Walsh's biggest error is not Brandon Jennings or the trade with Houston.

Walsh's biggest error is hiring D'Antoni instead of Scott Skiles or Avery Johnson. At the time these were the options he had narrowed it down to and he made the absolute wrong choice.

I was on the fence on it then and now I completely am against D'Antoni. Mike D'Antoni has proved he can't coach without Steve Nash and that his system is a fluke that is based around having great shooters and all-star caliber players. He has failed here and he must be fire ASAP.

Scott Skiles would have been my choice and it was a guy I hoped we hired at the time. A no-nonsense guy who stresses defense is just what we needed. Instead we got a lackadaisical coach interested in his gimmick offense and nothing else. Pringles can't take criticism, he doesn't put any blame on himself and his teams never play any defense. D'Antoni is awful.


I agree 100%. He also is extremely loyal and seems to feel that he owes D'Antoni this year and next no matter what.

Is that such a bad attitude to have tho ?

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11/13/2010  2:12 PM
Yes.
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11/13/2010  2:31 PM
I am not going to sandbag MDA just yet, give him at least the year. Sh!t, they just slapped this team together, of course it will take some time...

As for a coach that I would like to replace him, Jeff Van Gundy is the man I would target, he has already proven he can win even with that scrub Mr Dolan..

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11/13/2010  3:02 PM
d'antoni is garbage. i've been patient with the guy. but losing games to vastly inferior teams in the fashion in which we're losing them is indication enough that the team is not well coached.

we have talent on the team. it is being mis-utilized. despite the 3pt shot being such a big part of his system, the coach has yet to teach his players the nuances of what are good 3pt shots and what are bad 3pt shots.

last year we lost because of bad effort so i looked past the coaching and chalked it up to a bunch of players on expiring deals not giving a damn. this year, we are wasting good effort and losing games because the strategies being employed by the coach are terrible.

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11/13/2010  3:42 PM
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CrushAlot wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:Donnie Walsh's biggest error is not Brandon Jennings or the trade with Houston.

Walsh's biggest error is hiring D'Antoni instead of Scott Skiles or Avery Johnson. At the time these were the options he had narrowed it down to and he made the absolute wrong choice.

I was on the fence on it then and now I completely am against D'Antoni. Mike D'Antoni has proved he can't coach without Steve Nash and that his system is a fluke that is based around having great shooters and all-star caliber players. He has failed here and he must be fire ASAP.

Scott Skiles would have been my choice and it was a guy I hoped we hired at the time. A no-nonsense guy who stresses defense is just what we needed. Instead we got a lackadaisical coach interested in his gimmick offense and nothing else. Pringles can't take criticism, he doesn't put any blame on himself and his teams never play any defense. D'Antoni is awful.


I agree 100%. He also is extremely loyal and seems to feel that he owes D'Antoni this year and next no matter what.

Is that such a bad attitude to have tho ?

In the case of D'Antoni yes. The team will not be successful until it moves on and has a more conventional coach. Whether it is loyalty or not wanting to admit he made a mistake, Walsh needs to cut ties with D'Antoni.
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11/13/2010  3:44 PM
The Portland Trailblazers shot 49% from the field today and scored 100 points. Boston scored 105 points last night. The Raptors scored a "low" 93 points on Wednesday. None of these games, to me, were impressive defensively besides the blocked shots. Blocked shots are good. I enjoy them. They show hustle, intensity and definitely play a role on the defensive end. You know what also plays a role? Keeping your main in front of you, clogging the passing lanes, protecting the paint and playing good man-to-man defense. The Knicks still struggle in all of these departments, although there is an obvious improvement because like Al Harrington and Jamal Crawford are no longer around. But just because these guys were awful on defense does not make this current team a very good defensive one. That is far from the truth.

The offensive side is one I'd like to spend more time on since this is a bigger issue for me. I didn't think it would be, not with "Offensive Genius" Mike D'Antoni running the show. But alas, it is thus far.

The offense that we ran today was exactly the same as the previous 2 years of D'Antoni offense we have seen, minus (again) guys like Al Harrington playing selfishly and foolishly. The past 3 games has seen this team unable to throw a basic entry pass into the post, does not set enough screens so that players can come off a screen for the pick and pop, and does not run enough pick and roll plays and when they do they run it quite horribly (a fault of Felton right now). There is no ball movement. A lot of stagnant play with players sitting around waiting for one guy to create. A lot of camping out at the 3-point launching 3 pointers. That's a game plan? "If we hit our 3 pointers we will win"? This a joke?


This system is predicated on great ball movement and we have not seen signs of that right now. The guards rarely penetrate and Amar'e finds himself getting the ball 20 feet away from the basket a majority of the time. This, in turn, forces him to create off the dribble. He forces up a shot, which is never a good thing, and we hope for the best. That's not what we signed this guy for. We need to figure out an easier way to get him the ball or we will fail miserably. We also need to stop launching 3-pointers (28 tonight, 27 against Boston, 24 against Toronto) and learn how to move the ball around for the best shot instead of settling for 3's. That's a LAZY offense.

The offense may have the potential to be much better but thus far there are no signs of that potential. Not even flashes. I just see poor play and Raymond Felton is definitely a guy that has to shoulder some blame for it as well. Raymond Felton has had a tough time running this offense and I haven't seen him run one successful PnR so far with Amare. He's not orchestrating the rest of the offense at all. He is having a hard time running the pick and roll and even making simple entry passes. He probably should have been working out with Amare from July 9th because there is no chemistry there at all right now. With anyone else either.

Toney Douglas is even worse than Felton as far as I'm concerned. Here's a guy that's never met a shot he didn't like and probably has some of the worst court vision I've ever seen. Good defender, just below-average to poor at nearly everything else.

Amare hasn't played well. That's a direct result of this offense right now. Expecting Amare to create himself from the top of the key half the time will not work. Hence the numerous turnovers Amare is averaging. The guards are not getting him the ball in the right situation and are, as a result, limiting the offensive firepower he can provide. It's a problem right now, a big one. It's going to be hard to solve it quickly enough to get the team firing on all cylinders.

The offense, thus far, is below average. That's me being nice. What I see is a team that needs proper coaching on both ends of the ball, particular the offense. A team that needs to understand that it is okay to run a pick and roll or drive and kick and not just run down the shot clock to shoot a contested 3. Right now I don't see that.

IF Gallinari comes back and shoots well, IF the offense shoots better (because we have great shooters, right? We rely on the 3 ball and we have average shooting at best and somehow this makes sense), IF IF IF. Huh? Gallinari coming back and shooting 3's does what exactly? I just finished explaining how this teams' offense is bad and you're talking about Danilo Gallinari. I'm not discussing him because he is not a factor in my point. The point is the offense needs to improve and that has nothing to do with Gallinari. It is way more than just one guy.

People can talk about the players but the players were brought here to run the plays the coach tell them to. You cannot tell me that that the players are 100% at fault when this is a brand new roster yet I see the same exact offense as I did the past 2 seasons.

So yeah, I see the "difference" but the result is the same. That will not change until they get better cohesion and execution as a team. They have shown no signs of it throughout preseason and through these games. This team needs to improve drastically to even have a chance at the playoffs.

There is nothing in their play that shows signs of getting better.

This is a new team playing the same way as last season.

The problem is the coach.

We'll see what happens. I hope they prove me wrong.

What I said the first week or so into the season.

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11/13/2010  3:47 PM
get off my dick. hahahaha. hey, you were bitching after wins. i'm bitching after losses... what do want me to say? you were right about d'antoni. he sucks.
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11/13/2010  3:56 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:Donnie Walsh's biggest error is not Brandon Jennings or the trade with Houston.

Walsh's biggest error is hiring D'Antoni instead of Scott Skiles or Avery Johnson. At the time these were the options he had narrowed it down to and he made the absolute wrong choice.

I was on the fence on it then and now I completely am against D'Antoni. Mike D'Antoni has proved he can't coach without Steve Nash and that his system is a fluke that is based around having great shooters and all-star caliber players. He has failed here and he must be fire ASAP.

Scott Skiles would have been my choice and it was a guy I hoped we hired at the time. A no-nonsense guy who stresses defense is just what we needed. Instead we got a lackadaisical coach interested in his gimmick offense and nothing else. Pringles can't take criticism, he doesn't put any blame on himself and his teams never play any defense. D'Antoni is awful.


I agree 100%. He also is extremely loyal and seems to feel that he owes D'Antoni this year and next no matter what.

Loyalty would be to do a mercy killing. MDA was shown loyalty he was given a 4 year contract and Knicks will have to honor it that is loyalty. Walsh has to make his decision knowing MDA will be well compensated.

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11/13/2010  4:19 PM
The biggest error is still the 2009 draft, no matter how you slice it.

They needed to come away from that draft with Stephen Curry, Rubio or Brandon Jennings and did not.

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11/13/2010  5:27 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/13/2010  5:28 PM
crzymdups wrote:The biggest error is still the 2009 draft, no matter how you slice it.

They needed to come away from that draft with Stephen Curry, Rubio or Brandon Jennings and did not.

Fixed

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11/13/2010  7:16 PM
crzymdups wrote:The biggest error is still the 2009 draft, no matter how you slice it.

They needed to come away from that draft with Stephen Curry, Rubio or Brandon Jennings and did not.

The man said he didn't grab the best guy out there and a mistake was made in the draft. What exactly is he value of repeating this over and over again?

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11/13/2010  8:12 PM
loweyecue wrote:
crzymdups wrote:The biggest error is still the 2009 draft, no matter how you slice it.

They needed to come away from that draft with Stephen Curry, Rubio or Brandon Jennings and did not.

The man said he didn't grab the best guy out there and a mistake was made in the draft. What exactly is he value of repeating this over and over again?


If you are going that route it was reported that D'Antoni didn't want Jennings. The biggest mistake was D'Antoni. There have been a lot of funky personnel moves made to protect him that caused the franchise to lose assets or minimally have them undervalued.
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11/13/2010  9:42 PM
eViL wrote:d'antoni is garbage. i've been patient with the guy. but losing games to vastly inferior teams in the fashion in which we're losing them is indication enough that the team is not well coached.

we have talent on the team. it is being mis-utilized. despite the 3pt shot being such a big part of his system, the coach has yet to teach his players the nuances of what are good 3pt shots and what are bad 3pt shots.

last year we lost because of bad effort so i looked past the coaching and chalked it up to a bunch of players on expiring deals not giving a damn. this year, we are wasting good effort and losing games because the strategies being employed by the coach are terrible.

for the past 2 years you've been ragging on people who criticized MDA's coaching, his rotations, his handling of the players, etc... now you're calling him garbage... that is some funny shyte.

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11/13/2010  10:14 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/13/2010  10:15 PM
D’Antoni’s offense emphasizes the ability to shoot when open, but when the jumpers are not falling and Stoudemire is on the bench, there is no go-to scorer.

“There were two or three shots we shouldn’t have taken that we pointed out,” D’Antoni said. “Again, we are trying to get guys aggressive. It’s a fine line that we walk, and there were two or three we shouldn’t have done.”

This guy doesn't get it or doesn't seem to want to get it. I really hate this coach.

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Childs2Dudley wrote:
D’Antoni’s offense emphasizes the ability to shoot when open, but when the jumpers are not falling and Stoudemire is on the bench, there is no go-to scorer.

“There were two or three shots we shouldn’t have taken that we pointed out,” D’Antoni said. “Again, we are trying to get guys aggressive. It’s a fine line that we walk, and there were two or three we shouldn’t have done.”

This guy doesn't get it or doesn't seem to want to get it. I really hate this coach.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/14/sports/basketball/14knicks.html?_r=1&ref=basketball


Its a different take than his bosses. Maybe Walsh still doesn't know how bad he f'd up when he hired this guy.

That exposed a lot of things we’re not doing right and I’m sure the coaches are trying to address that,” Walsh said. “To let a guy get 31 rebounds and 31 points. ...”

His voice trailed off before a reporter finished his thoughts. “And to a guy who’s not Moses Malone,” the reporter said. “You said it, not me.” Walsh replied.

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