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BRIGGS
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11/12/2010  1:54 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/12/2010  1:55 PM
How about the Knicks????? If someone asked me if I would be willing to give up a lot for a certain player--this would eb that kind fo player because hes salaried controlled which does not effect my ability to fill out a full roster--you are NOT winning in the nBA unless you aheva full and talented roster like the C's or Lakers--and Miami is going to prove that. Ill give them Chandler Gallo and randolph for Love . I get rid of all of those slaries next year and gives me a hog at C who can give me 15-15--thats the way we should be moving--not making deals for 25mm $ players who we can get for half in FA. Build the frontline with tough players--remove all of these soft hybrid MDA players remove as much cap space for next year within reason and then remove the copach at the end of the season and go back to a conventional way of playing basketball--the wining way.
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11/12/2010  2:11 PM
Kevin Love is David Lee with less athlecism and more range. The guy is really good but his defense is TRASH. I'd pass.

We need to explore trades for a SG.

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11/12/2010  2:21 PM
AnubisADL wrote:Kevin Love is David Lee with less athlecism and more range. The guy is really good but his defense is TRASH. I'd pass.

We need to explore trades for a SG.

Its apparently why he doesn't get much burn.

PG is my biggest concern but I'm not ready to say trade Felton just yet. I'd give him to the all-star break to show some real progress.
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11/12/2010  2:25 PM
Love did a lot of working out for the pre-draft workouts, and his combine numbers were not as bad as they might have been, but his a pretty underwhelming athlete, with poor lateral defensive ability. He was also the guy with 2 inch soles that gave him his listed height of 6'10."

I like his ability to rebound, and he's a smart player, who could handle the NY media well, but he gets his shot blocked a lot on the inside, and does not really have the ability to return the favor to the guy he has to guard.

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11/12/2010  2:25 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Kevin Love is David Lee with less athlecism and more range. The guy is really good but his defense is TRASH. I'd pass.

We need to explore trades for a SG.

Its apparently why he doesn't get much burn.

PG is my biggest concern but I'm not ready to say trade Felton just yet. I'd give him to the all-star break to show some real progress.

We can get a PG out of this draft who will come in and be good right away. Im convinced of that. K Love isnt a 8 shot block guy but he is 6-10 265 and commands more physical presence in the lane than Lee. I doubt Minn trades him(that would be crazy right?) but I do think we can get Thompson--and for Gallo I would want something else like Whiteside. I truly beleive we can get 1-2 imapct G's from the draft. Rautins and mason are crp--so they are gone

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11/12/2010  2:32 PM
i say we package TD Chandler and Turiaf money and picks for Rubio and Love
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11/12/2010  2:35 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/12/2010  2:36 PM
Paladin55 wrote:Love did a lot of working out for the pre-draft workouts, and his combine numbers were not as bad as they might have been, but his a pretty underwhelming athlete, with poor lateral defensive ability. He was also the guy with 2 inch soles that gave him his listed height of 6'10."

I like his ability to rebound, and he's a smart player, who could handle the NY media well, but he gets his shot blocked a lot on the inside, and does not really have the ability to return the favor to the guy he has to guard.

Palladin--were you able to check out Enes canter at the Hoop Sumitt? he looks like the only guy I would be willing to take #1. Boy would he be a nice piece a legit Tim Duncan like C/PF 6-11 265

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11/12/2010  2:52 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/12/2010  2:53 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Kevin Love is David Lee with less athlecism and more range. The guy is really good but his defense is TRASH. I'd pass.

We need to explore trades for a SG.

Its apparently why he doesn't get much burn.

PG is my biggest concern but I'm not ready to say trade Felton just yet. I'd give him to the all-star break to show some real progress.

We can get a PG out of this draft who will come in and be good right away. Im convinced of that. K Love isnt a 8 shot block guy but he is 6-10 265 and commands more physical presence in the lane than Lee. I doubt Minn trades him(that would be crazy right?) but I do think we can get Thompson--and for Gallo I would want something else like Whiteside. I truly beleive we can get 1-2 imapct G's from the draft. Rautins and mason are crp--so they are gone

That's a big gamble Briggs, and this team is already pretty young to begin with. Nothing wrong with taking a PG in the draft but I would want the Knicks to hedge their bets (if Felton doesn't work out) by bringing in a vet who still has something in the tank to show how its done and possibly mentor a PG we got in the draft.

It was a long time ago but we had some success in the past with Rivers/Harper/Cheeks running the point, guys past their prime but still able to run an offense. The trick is finding someone who fits the bill.
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11/12/2010  2:56 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Kevin Love is David Lee with less athlecism and more range. The guy is really good but his defense is TRASH. I'd pass.

We need to explore trades for a SG.

Its apparently why he doesn't get much burn.

PG is my biggest concern but I'm not ready to say trade Felton just yet. I'd give him to the all-star break to show some real progress.

We can get a PG out of this draft who will come in and be good right away. Im convinced of that. K Love isnt a 8 shot block guy but he is 6-10 265 and commands more physical presence in the lane than Lee. I doubt Minn trades him(that would be crazy right?) but I do think we can get Thompson--and for Gallo I would want something else like Whiteside. I truly beleive we can get 1-2 imapct G's from the draft. Rautins and mason are crp--so they are gone

briggs - they never ever ever draft who you want them to draft. hwo can you still put it out there that they can grab your players in the draft???
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11/12/2010  3:10 PM
BRIGGS wrote:Palladin--were you able to check out Enes canter at the Hoop Sumitt? he looks like the only guy I would be willing to take #1. Boy would he be a nice piece a legit Tim Duncan like C/PF 6-11 265

Have some time before afterschool activities- just saw the YouTube highligts of the game and read the DraftExpress take on him.

He is a solid, big boned boy with some pretty good skills and a soft shot with a good arc (DraftExp called it flat- I disagree based on what I saw.) and nice release. Did not see enough of his D, but he was a man among boys in the game he broke Dirk's record and he's only 18 (looks like he is 24!).

He is a top 5 type talent, though- and I don't like thinking of the fact that we will have no chance to draft him.

I assume the problems he's having getting into Kentucky won't impact his entry into the NBA.

http://www.kentucky.com/2010/11/12/1520991/kanter-ruled-ineligible-uk-plans.html

Measured at 6'10.5" in shoes with a 7'1" wingspan- you figure that he could be a 4 or 5 in the NBA.

Someone to keep an eye on. I don't follow the NCAA until tournmament time, so I don't have a good idea of the talent out there at this point, but I like this guy, and he seems to have enough skill and intelligence (based on what I read) to play in almost any kind of system.

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11/12/2010  3:20 PM
8 games in dismantle the rebuild already?
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11/12/2010  4:05 PM
Nalod wrote:8 games in dismantle the rebuild already?

how many loses during those 8 games? Rebuild that many times.

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11/12/2010  4:06 PM
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Nalod wrote:8 games in dismantle the rebuild already?

how many loses during those 8 games? Rebuild that many times.

after any of the wins, boast a 50 win season.

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11/12/2010  4:12 PM
I see a few people mentioned PG as their biggest concern. Let me ask you this - is Fisher a top tier PG? No, he is a serviceable one. Who was the PG on the Bulls? Oh yeah, BJ Armstrong.

What do the Bulls and the Lakers have in common? Fantastic SG's and good big men along with a deep bench. Give me a guy who can feed the ball and play some D but isnt a star and grab me a SG who is a league leader. I know its a lot to ask for but championships don't come from the PG position, at least not in my recent memory.

Give me a great SG, PF, or C who can lead a team. In today's league you seem to need the pair - SG and C or SG and PF. We have the PF.

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11/12/2010  4:18 PM
Nalod wrote:8 games in dismantle the rebuild already?

Nalod--it doesnt take more than what to understand the problem. We need to get rid of the softer hybrid player and put traditional stronger based skill players on the frontline--maybe in 2 years Mosgov will be there but hes not close right now. Randolph Gallinari--the guys who i thought would thrive here in MDA's system are goners. The problem is MDA's system. It worked for him in Pheonix becasue he had a magical group of players put together--but its easier to play old school--Lakers win with BOTH offense and defense--thats what we have to get back to. We have a few pieces and we will win some games but this is not what I envisioned. Now the key is do the Knicks recognize what is wrong and start(or try) to rectify? Lets give them 5 more games against what are weak opponents right---for me to see any light we need 4-1 and good play.

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11/12/2010  4:53 PM
if we're going to give up the farm for KLove we should have just kept DLee.

i said I would be interested in seeing Amare and DLee share the court and I think it would have been a good pairing. if there were a way to get DLee and Felton and Amare that could have been nice. oh well.

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OasisBU wrote:I see a few people mentioned PG as their biggest concern. Let me ask you this - is Fisher a top tier PG? No, he is a serviceable one. Who was the PG on the Bulls? Oh yeah, BJ Armstrong.

What do the Bulls and the Lakers have in common? Fantastic SG's and good big men along with a deep bench. Give me a guy who can feed the ball and play some D but isnt a star and grab me a SG who is a league leader. I know its a lot to ask for but championships don't come from the PG position, at least not in my recent memory.

Give me a great SG, PF, or C who can lead a team. In today's league you seem to need the pair - SG and C or SG and PF. We have the PF.

This. Why do we look so great when the young'uns are hitting? Against Chicago world beaters. Otherwise How would this team be doing right now do you think if they were in mid-season form on the 3? SG and SF are hitting and PF is just fine. Really just need one guy each night to step up to be competitive. Exploiting matchups. Scouting. ....

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11/12/2010  5:32 PM
BRIGGS wrote:How about the Knicks????? If someone asked me if I would be willing to give up a lot for a certain player--this would eb that kind fo player because hes salaried controlled which does not effect my ability to fill out a full roster--you are NOT winning in the nBA unless you aheva full and talented roster like the C's or Lakers--and Miami is going to prove that. Ill give them Chandler Gallo and randolph for Love . I get rid of all of those slaries next year and gives me a hog at C who can give me 15-15--thats the way we should be moving--not making deals for 25mm $ players who we can get for half in FA. Build the frontline with tough players--remove all of these soft hybrid MDA players remove as much cap space for next year within reason and then remove the copach at the end of the season and go back to a conventional way of playing basketball--the wining way.

Do you seriously want every player that becomes available? I thought you want to hold on to Gallo / AR at all costs. You would trade them for Kevin Love but not for Melo? Kevin Love? Really??

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OasisBU wrote:I see a few people mentioned PG as their biggest concern. Let me ask you this - is Fisher a top tier PG? No, he is a serviceable one. Who was the PG on the Bulls? Oh yeah, BJ Armstrong.

What do the Bulls and the Lakers have in common? Fantastic SG's and good big men along with a deep bench. Give me a guy who can feed the ball and play some D but isnt a star and grab me a SG who is a league leader. I know its a lot to ask for but championships don't come from the PG position, at least not in my recent memory.

Give me a great SG, PF, or C who can lead a team. In today's league you seem to need the pair - SG and C or SG and PF. We have the PF.

The SGs you cite are possibly the best two players of all time at any position being coached by a hall of fame coach with more rings than anyone. Armstrong and Fisher are/were very smart players who knew how to run an offense like Billups/Parker/Payton did when they won it all. You don't need the best PG in the league but you do need someone who can run an offense and get the ball were his teammates need it. I'm still waiting on Felton to prove that he is that guy.

Like I said, I hope the Knicks give him a look until the all-star break and if nothing has changed try to make a deal.
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BRIGGS wrote:How about the Knicks????? If someone asked me if I would be willing to give up a lot for a certain player--this would eb that kind fo player because hes salaried controlled which does not effect my ability to fill out a full roster--you are NOT winning in the nBA unless you aheva full and talented roster like the C's or Lakers--and Miami is going to prove that. Ill give them Chandler Gallo and randolph for Love . I get rid of all of those slaries next year and gives me a hog at C who can give me 15-15--thats the way we should be moving--not making deals for 25mm $ players who we can get for half in FA. Build the frontline with tough players--remove all of these soft hybrid MDA players remove as much cap space for next year within reason and then remove the copach at the end of the season and go back to a conventional way of playing basketball--the wining way.

Do you seriously want every player that becomes available? I thought you want to hold on to Gallo / AR at all costs. You would trade them for Kevin Love but not for Melo? Kevin Love? Really??

Kevin Love is pretty good.

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