[ IMAGES: Images ON turn off | ACCOUNT: User Status is LOCKED why? ]

Who is responsible for the latest Knicks Mishaps? The Players? The Coaching? Or both?
Author Thread
Papabear
Posts: 24373
Alba Posts: 2
Joined: 3/31/2007
Member: #1414

11/10/2010  12:24 PM
Papabear Sez

I think that we have some good players but they continue to make the same mistakes. When a coach continue to go down that path of 3 point shooting and when the players are off they don't have an answer. I think coaching is a problem because the players can go into the huddle with the coaches and still come out making the same mistakes.

Papabear
AUTOADVERT
rmears718
Posts: 20029
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 6/13/2006
Member: #1140

11/10/2010  12:44 PM
The coaching (Mike D'antoni in particular) for being too stubborn to realize that a certain player(s)(Exhibit a. Danilo Gallinari)simply is not the answer @ Small Forward & simply over matched; as a starting Small forward. Overall, a failure to utilize player's strengths (Exhibit B. Enforcing that the pick & roll should be initiated -closer to the post). "Let's not wait for the Knicks to be 10 games - under 500" ...Donnie shorten the leash!
Nalod
Posts: 71204
Alba Posts: 155
Joined: 12/24/2003
Member: #508
USA
11/10/2010  12:49 PM
Phil Weber!!!

Dude is too tan and toomanicured!

Thibs and JFG don't care how they look!

eViL
Posts: 25412
Alba Posts: 9
Joined: 1/21/2004
Member: #561
USA
11/10/2010  12:51 PM
i'd say that our effort in creating and participating in gamethreads is lacking. it's the UK forums fault.
check out my latest hip hop project: https://soundcloud.com/michaelcro http://youtu.be/scNXshrpyZo
martin
Posts: 76295
Alba Posts: 108
Joined: 7/24/2001
Member: #2
USA
11/10/2010  12:55 PM
rmears718 wrote:The coaching (Mike D'antoni in particular) for being too stubborn to realize that a certain player(s)(Exhibit a. Danilo Gallinari)simply is not the answer @ Small Forward & simply over matched; as a starting Small forward. Overall, a failure to utilize player's strengths (Exhibit B. Enforcing that the pick & roll should be initiated -closer to the post). "Let's not wait for the Knicks to be 10 games - under 500" ...Donnie shorten the leash!

who is dominating Gallo at SF? Dude surely has not played well, but that seems to me to be an internal thing rather than a beat down from his opponents.

Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
Papabear
Posts: 24373
Alba Posts: 2
Joined: 3/31/2007
Member: #1414

11/10/2010  1:05 PM
eViL wrote:i'd say that our effort in creating and participating in gamethreads is lacking. it's the UK forums fault.

Papabear Says

Ok Evil LOL By the way how is you music coming along?

Papabear
eViL
Posts: 25412
Alba Posts: 9
Joined: 1/21/2004
Member: #561
USA
11/10/2010  1:08 PM
great papa. we just got done with our new CD. we're just waiting on the artwork. we'll be sending it out for reviews this week. we wanna build up some press before we decide to release it. it's going very well. how are you? working on any good projects?

go on here and listen to "when it all falls apart" if you wanna check out one of the new songs. the new mixes sound better, but you'll get the idea:

http://www.jango.com/music/Do+You+See+the+Dark?l=0

check out my latest hip hop project: https://soundcloud.com/michaelcro http://youtu.be/scNXshrpyZo
eViL
Posts: 25412
Alba Posts: 9
Joined: 1/21/2004
Member: #561
USA
11/10/2010  1:10 PM
oh and to seriously answer your question, i don't know if any one player or coach can be blamed, but it seems to me that the team lives and dies by gallo's early performance. if he starts out ok, the rest of the team plays well. i don't like pinning it all one guy though.
check out my latest hip hop project: https://soundcloud.com/michaelcro http://youtu.be/scNXshrpyZo
Nalod
Posts: 71204
Alba Posts: 155
Joined: 12/24/2003
Member: #508
USA
11/10/2010  1:12 PM
Responsible?

Melo eventuality and Gallo having Kmart calling him KVG, JR Smith getting him drunk and waking up with Transformer Tatoos on his dick, Anderson getting him smacked up and gelling his hair, and an empowered Al Harrington playing in front of him.

Bippity10
Posts: 13999
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 1/26/2004
Member: #574
11/10/2010  1:15 PM
rmears718 wrote:The coaching (Mike D'antoni in particular) for being too stubborn to realize that a certain player(s)(Exhibit a. Danilo Gallinari)simply is not the answer @ Small Forward & simply over matched; as a starting Small forward. Overall, a failure to utilize player's strengths (Exhibit B. Enforcing that the pick & roll should be initiated -closer to the post). "Let's not wait for the Knicks to be 10 games - under 500" ...Donnie shorten the leash!

Gallinari is averaging 26 minutes a game which is equivalent to bench minutes. How is Mike being stubborn with him?

Personally I'd blame it more on Gallo. Not only has he not improved his game, he has actually taken a step backward and is not being aggressive at all.

I just hope that people will like me
fishmike
Posts: 53848
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 7/19/2002
Member: #298
USA
11/10/2010  1:20 PM
look around the league. A lot of teams regarded as better then the Knick are also about .500 and trying to figure things out as well.
"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
Vmart
Posts: 31800
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 5/23/2002
Member: #247
USA
11/10/2010  1:29 PM
I blame D'Antoni for not having a back up plan when the threes aren't raining. Poor preparation not having the players focused to play and execute the game plan. The inability to make in game adjustments. I blame MDA for not having the players take what they do serious.
Nalod
Posts: 71204
Alba Posts: 155
Joined: 12/24/2003
Member: #508
USA
11/10/2010  1:32 PM
I just thought the blame is:

"The rent is too damn high!"

Papabear
Posts: 24373
Alba Posts: 2
Joined: 3/31/2007
Member: #1414

11/10/2010  2:05 PM
eViL wrote:great papa. we just got done with our new CD. we're just waiting on the artwork. we'll be sending it out for reviews this week. we wanna build up some press before we decide to release it. it's going very well. how are you? working on any good projects?

go on here and listen to "when it all falls apart" if you wanna check out one of the new songs. the new mixes sound better, but you'll get the idea:

http://www.jango.com/music/Do+You+See+the+Dark?l=0

Papabear Says

Hey that good! I have a song on the R Kelly album entitled Untitled and the song is called Be my #2"
I all have a song with Jasmine Sullivan , ace Hood , and Rick Ross called Champion. You can hear them on you tube. Hey Evil I will look you up and hear some of your tracks.

Papabear
nixluva
Posts: 56258
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 10/5/2004
Member: #758
USA
11/10/2010  2:13 PM
Vmart wrote:I blame D'Antoni for not having a back up plan when the threes aren't raining. Poor preparation not having the players focused to play and execute the game plan. The inability to make in game adjustments. I blame MDA for not having the players take what they do serious.

Not for nothing, but how can you adjust when Not only aren't you hitting shots, but you already haven't been able to run PnR? Those are the two main ways we score. We don't have a real post up game.

The players not being focused only really was evident in the Philly game. I think they just got blitzed by the Bucks, who had been shooting horribly and just got hot all at once. That can happen to any team. I see a team that is playing hard, but not always Smart. You can see that they take it serious and are playing hard. It's not a case of the team just not caring. You can see they want to play well and win. Everything just isn't clicking right now.

knicks1248
Posts: 42059
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 2/3/2004
Member: #582
11/10/2010  2:29 PM
Why is everbody talking about we don't have a post up game, hardly anybody in the league does. Bogut had about 2 post up buckets the whole game, the bulls, wiz, or anybody we have played so far, had no post up players..this isn't a post up league, and the rule's essentially forbid it. Beside's you have little to know good big man passers, and you don't want your big (think amare) getting swarm within seconds, and end up losing the ball one way or another.
ES
Moonangie
Posts: 24766
Alba Posts: 5
Joined: 7/9/2009
Member: #2788

11/10/2010  3:31 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/10/2010  3:32 PM
The players are the only ones who take the court, so they are mainly to blame. But the coaches certainly share some of the responsibility.

Dudes need to stop jacking up shots as soon as the rock hits them and they have a glimmer of the rim. Ball movement will lead to better looks and thus greater consistency.

The turnovers are hurting, especially the ones from Amare because he decided to bulldoze muhfuhs instead of passing to an open shooter. It's almost like he doesn't trust any of them to hit the J.

The lame outside shooting from Gallo is certainly to blame. When he hits them at 45%+ we will be a juggernaut (e.g., the game he scored 24 last week). Without his shooting, Amare has no room to work and just becomes a turnover machine.

The bad P&R passing is to blame. Felton is not enough of a scoring threat so guys don't go hard at him to stop his shot. As a result, he has a slimmer passing slot to hit the cutting big. Makes ya sorta wonder how much of Amare's success was predicated on Nash's exquisite passing. Can we please trade Chandler for Rubio this season. Come on already.

The coaches also need to do a better job. Need to use timeouts when momentum has swung too far to the other side. Need to put guys in better position to score. Defense has been pretty good, which is a pleasant surprise from the coaching. There needs to be guys boxing out and grabbing boards.

All in all, though, they're playing okay for a group that just came together.

Vmart
Posts: 31800
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 5/23/2002
Member: #247
USA
11/10/2010  3:42 PM
nixluva wrote:
Vmart wrote:I blame D'Antoni for not having a back up plan when the threes aren't raining. Poor preparation not having the players focused to play and execute the game plan. The inability to make in game adjustments. I blame MDA for not having the players take what they do serious.

Not for nothing, but how can you adjust when Not only aren't you hitting shots, but you already haven't been able to run PnR? Those are the two main ways we score. We don't have a real post up game.

The players not being focused only really was evident in the Philly game. I think they just got blitzed by the Bucks, who had been shooting horribly and just got hot all at once. That can happen to any team. I see a team that is playing hard, but not always Smart. You can see that they take it serious and are playing hard. It's not a case of the team just not caring. You can see they want to play well and win. Everything just isn't clicking right now.

If the Knicks can't score with P&R and shooting from the outside then its on MDA to come up with a third way to get points or ways to stop the other team from scoring. Anyway you look at it it on the coach to bring in plans not just P&R and jacking threes those are only two elements of many elements of basketball. To me a team that plays hard is a team that comes together when things look bleak. They find ways to get it going not settle for the next available jumper to bail the other team out. This is where coaching comes into play MDA should have told his players no jumpers no threes everything going to the basket draw fouls. Adjustments that is the key and that is on the coach.

thejerk
Posts: 20457
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/14/2005
Member: #962
11/10/2010  3:47 PM
James facking Dolan, thats who...
Who is responsible for the latest Knicks Mishaps? The Players? The Coaching? Or both?

©2001-2025 ultimateknicks.comm All rights reserved. About Us.
This site is not affiliated with the NY Knicks or the National Basketball Association in any way.
You may visit the official NY Knicks web site by clicking here.

All times (GMT-05:00) Eastern Time.

Terms of Use and Privacy Policy