i'm all for developing him and he has shown flashes but he needs to pull down more boards. turiaf for that matter also needs to pull down more boards but he's doing other things that's helping us win.

randolph hasn't looked great while he's out there and he's made his share of mistakes as well but he's our only hope at the moment to solidify our rebounding as mozgov has not been that guy.

Not sure I am ready to give up on AR, but we don't have to get a vet, maybe look for a young wing not in someone's rotation...

tkf wrote:And briggs this is why someof us felt gallo was the better player and prospect and that walsh made the right pick, not the "community pick" as some other knuckle head poster suggested.... LOL..

Not sure I am ready to give up on AR, but we don't have to get a vet, maybe look for a young wing not in someone's rotation...

Nope I want a fairly high value player I know can play or I would not do it. I do think that AR could use 6-7 games in the D league playing 40 minutes a night--he missed almost all of last season and hes 21. I don't think MDA is in love with him--we have too many youthful players--so for me its either put emphasis on getting him back to snuff via major playing time in the D league to get his groove back or just saying right now the Knicks have to many wing players and not enough PM guards and we need better balance.

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Vmart wrote:I agree with Briggs that the rotation needs to be cut to 9. That is why I kept saying make the move for Melo it is alright to deplete the roster because we have to many on the team who can contribute decent minutes if given an opportunity. I'm at the point where dropping Gallo, AR and Chandler is fine by me. These guys are nice role players that I would exchange in a heart beat for a Go to player like Melo.

If you are Denver you ask for Toney Douglas Cahndler Gallo and fields--do you still want to do it? you are making up the trade--Im playing what i think Denver will ask for. Remember Denver is pretty good--what is the incentive to f u their team??? They can do a S+T with the Knicks for Chandler after the season if they want. I really see 0 incentive to move Carmelo. Look at that deal they turned down favors Harris and two picks?? They want to see if they can Keep Melo--that what I believe.

Yes I want the deal done. Getting the go to player is the hardest thing to get in the NBA. Since this year is not about winning better to make sure you get that player on your team ASAP. Besides I think since they are losing him to possibly FA or nothing they will take less. Maybe Chandler, Gallo and Fileds gets the deal done.

Uptown wrote:

Vmart wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Vmart wrote:I agree with Briggs that the rotation needs to be cut to 9. That is why I kept saying make the move for Melo it is alright to deplete the roster because we have to many on the team who can contribute decent minutes if given an opportunity. I'm at the point where dropping Gallo, AR and Chandler is fine by me. These guys are nice role players that I would exchange in a heart beat for a Go to player like Melo.

If you are Denver you ask for Toney Douglas Cahndler Gallo and fields--do you still want to do it? you are making up the trade--Im playing what i think Denver will ask for. Remember Denver is pretty good--what is the incentive to f u their team??? They can do a S+T with the Knicks for Chandler after the season if they want. I really see 0 incentive to move Carmelo. Look at that deal they turned down favors Harris and two picks?? They want to see if they can Keep Melo--that what I believe.

Yes I want the deal done. Getting the go to player is the hardest thing to get in the NBA. Since this year is not about winning better to make sure you get that player on your team ASAP. Besides I think since they are losing him to possibly FA or nothing they will take less. Maybe Chandler, Gallo and Fileds gets the deal done.

I agree, we desperately need a closer. Its games like today, in the 4th Q when our offense went in the tank, that a player like Melo could have pulled it out for us.

If you take Fiedls gallo Cahndler and Douglas off the team and add Caremlo--no need for a closer becasue we wont be in many games.

If we can add a Jarret jack and a jason Thompson--and keep the cap space for carmelo or whoever next year--that is much more palatable to me.

Im willing to use the 2014 1 OR 2 2012 2s randolph Walker Curry or Azu'sending contract to improve the team. I like both of those players--but if I can get one higher caliber player that doesn t hurt my cap space too much--than I would go for it. Im willing to spend 4mm in cap space next year--I believe with our 1 pick that IF needed we could move extra space

BRIGGS wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Vmart wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Vmart wrote:I agree with Briggs that the rotation needs to be cut to 9. That is why I kept saying make the move for Melo it is alright to deplete the roster because we have to many on the team who can contribute decent minutes if given an opportunity. I'm at the point where dropping Gallo, AR and Chandler is fine by me. These guys are nice role players that I would exchange in a heart beat for a Go to player like Melo.

If you are Denver you ask for Toney Douglas Cahndler Gallo and fields--do you still want to do it? you are making up the trade--Im playing what i think Denver will ask for. Remember Denver is pretty good--what is the incentive to f u their team??? They can do a S+T with the Knicks for Chandler after the season if they want. I really see 0 incentive to move Carmelo. Look at that deal they turned down favors Harris and two picks?? They want to see if they can Keep Melo--that what I believe.

Yes I want the deal done. Getting the go to player is the hardest thing to get in the NBA. Since this year is not about winning better to make sure you get that player on your team ASAP. Besides I think since they are losing him to possibly FA or nothing they will take less. Maybe Chandler, Gallo and Fileds gets the deal done.

I agree, we desperately need a closer. Its games like today, in the 4th Q when our offense went in the tank, that a player like Melo could have pulled it out for us.

If you take Fiedls gallo Cahndler and Douglas off the team and add Caremlo--no need for a closer becasue we wont be in many games.

If we can add a Jarret jack and a jason Thompson--and keep the cap space for carmelo or whoever next year--that is much more palatable to me.

Im willing to use the 2014 1 OR 2 2012 2s randolph Walker Curry or Azu'sending contract to improve the team. I like both of those players--but if I can get one higher caliber player that doesn t hurt my cap space too much--than I would go for it. Im willing to spend 4mm in cap space next year--I believe with our 1 pick that IF needed we could move extra space

Wilson is going to be gone regardless so factor him out of your scenario either way... so how do you propose we get Jack & Jason Thompson? we'd have to trade guys like Toney Douglas, Fields & Gallo to get our hands on them... so what's the difference? you're looking at losing all those guys anyway whether you go after Melo or you go after Thompson & Jack... u really think this team is better off replacing our young guys with Jack & Thompson over Carmelo Anthony? & we are not getting anything of worth using a 2014 draft pick or a pair of 2nd rounders except for marginal talent at this point... Walker is 2nd round pick value as well.

knickstorrents wrote:Too many crazy ideas, and it's too early to do anything drastic. Randolph needs to get good coaching (which I feel he has never ever received in his young career) and consistent minutes, and we need to have some faith in him. It's funny how people on this board over-react to needing this or that. Let the steady old hands guide the ship, we are doing fine.

Philly was actually pretty good on perimeter defense, and all of our guys were getting head faked by Lou Williams, which is completely ridiculous. We did not deserve to win against Philly - Philly were hitting their shots and we weren't. We also need to practice against the zone more, it seems everytime a team zones up on us we are stuck like deer in the headlights.

A positive note though, is that Amare in the 4th quarter didn't turn it over really. He was looking for the open man and was not forcing things into packed lanes. Now he needs to build on that and become more of a playmaker the next time this type of thing happens. Douglas, Fields, Walker, and Chandler were not able to hit from the perimeter, which you can't expect every game.

I agree with everything you said, and the one thing I still think D'Antoni can be criticized for is his so many of his teams go cold from outside and yet they continue to try to bomb their way through.

There was one three attempt- I think it was Chandler- and he was wide open and could have dribbled right into the lane for a better shot, foul, pass etc- and yet he hoisted the three.

I think D'Antoni needs to tell his guys don't be afraid to shoot, but at some point, when you're off, you're off and lets get to the lane, get in close, be aggressive and create better, closer in shots for ourselves.

And I think that is still on D'Antoni. And its something I've seen Phoenix do- go up 20+ in the first quarter, then go completely cold and let the other team back in.