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fishmike
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11/6/2010  11:23 AM
we are getting good matchups, Chandler off the bench looks great, So does Douglas. He sat Gallo when he wasnt shooting well. He let Fields play his way into the starting line up. He's toned down the offense and Felton is looking better and better running the offense every game.

5 games into and we havent had one stinker. Port and Bos needed big plays in crunchtime from their stars to beat us.

This team is REALLY explosive defensively also. 10 guys are playing and every single one of them gets after it on defense

Knicks are 8th in the NBA in steals
Knicks are FIRST in the NBA in blocks
Knicks are 5th in opposing teams turnovers

To me the biggest thing is we are -.4 in rebounding differential.

Everyone knew rebounding was going to be a problem area and we say that all preseason. Guys are really stepping up

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11/6/2010  11:43 AM
Excellent points, Fish. Our feet and hands are so active on the defensive end which not only cause blocks and steals, but altered shots and deflections. MDA has done a good job of using what he has and not forcing square pegs into round holes. He is allowing this team to trap and play a swarming defense which plays into our strength as a unit.

You can tell he has been preaching ball movement because Amare had a completely different mind-set from the Chi game to the Wiz game in which he gave up the ball and didn't force anything. Also, cant comment enough on the energy this team brings to the floor night in and night out. We are a scrappy team and that can separate us from the second tier teams in the east since the talent is so close.
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11/6/2010  12:47 PM
Hey we could be 5-0. Now Gallo and Douglas are coming along. Hopefully Randolph can get going cuz we need more frontcourt help.
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11/6/2010  1:05 PM
This is what you hope to get with a top tier coach. If you can give him a good roster then you want to see the team look like a cohesive unit that has a clear idea of what they're doing. What I've liked is the pace and energy has stayed high. Mike always gets crap about his practices but when you think about it his teams are always ready to run for 48 mins. Meanwhile the opposing teams start to show signs of fatigue trying to keep up.

Mike wanted to have his guards apply pressure in the past but Duhon and Nate didn't really do it. TD n Felton bring it all game and you can see it had an effect. While the offense is still a bit rough the great defensive effort has been so important. I hope they keep playing this hard even if the offense picks up. They can't relax on D!
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11/6/2010  1:06 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/6/2010  1:07 PM
Uptown wrote:Excellent points, Fish. Our feet and hands are so active on the defensive end which not only cause blocks and steals, but altered shots and deflections. MDA has done a good job of using what he has and not forcing square pegs into round holes. He is allowing this team to trap and play a swarming defense which plays into our strength as a unit.

You can tell he has been preaching ball movement because Amare had a completely different mind-set from the Chi game to the Wiz game in which he gave up the ball and didn't force anything. Also, cant comment enough on the energy this team brings to the floor night in and night out. We are a scrappy team and that can separate us from the second tier teams in the east since the talent is so close.

Spot on, and I think (besides Douglas) Turiaf is a big part of the "energy" equation. He has that take-no-prisoners attitude and willingness to step into every play if applicable. He's also grabbing more boards. If he can build up the rebound stat, I think we keep him for the rest of the year (barring any trade package for Melo).

So glad Gallo found his stroke. He's starting to feast, thanks to the spacing Amare gives him. They could be a GREAT tandem if Gallo moves to the 2. Just not sure he has the speed or footwork/agility to play the two. He sometimes looks like he's moving in slow-motion.
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11/6/2010  3:21 PM
Who says Mike doesn't coach any D? I'm not convinced our offense is better than our defense? It's always someone different stepping up. If Amare was actually playing good and Gallo wasn't a ghost the first couple games I wonder what our record would be.
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11/6/2010  4:15 PM
The GM has a LOT to do with the kind of D you play as a team. A coach can say whatever he wants, but without players that excel and give effort on D, you really won't get very far. How did LB do here trying to get this team to defend? Mike never had a great defensive roster in PHX or Here, but now that Donnie went and built a roster that was composed of more defensive minded and talented defensive players all the things Mike is coaching actually get done and on a high level. It always starts with the players.
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11/6/2010  4:20 PM
I can't say very well coached yet, but I will say better coaching than the last couple of seasons. I like how he shows confidence in his rookies. I also like how minutes are being distributed by production, last few years it seemed to be mostly by seniority.
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11/6/2010  4:28 PM
GustavBahler wrote:I can't say very well coached yet, but I will say better coaching than the last couple of seasons. I like how he shows confidence in his rookies. I also like how minutes are being distributed by production, last few years it seemed to be mostly by seniority.

Mike had his best success with the vets playing the last 2 years. There wasn't a lot of success, but the team clearly was at its best during the stretches that people complain about the vets playing. They just couldn't sustain it.

As for this year, I think you have to say they've looked well coached, cuz for one thing you don't just throw 10 new guys together and get them to come out cohesive on D like this. They are in shape and look stronger than many of the teams we've faced so far. Except for the C's and Blazers who are top teams with tons of depth and talent. Still we could easily have won those games. Give the man his credit!!!
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11/6/2010  4:34 PM
nixluva wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:I can't say very well coached yet, but I will say better coaching than the last couple of seasons. I like how he shows confidence in his rookies. I also like how minutes are being distributed by production, last few years it seemed to be mostly by seniority.

Mike had his best success with the vets playing the last 2 years. There wasn't a lot of success, but the team clearly was at its best during the stretches that people complain about the vets playing. They just couldn't sustain it.

As for this year, I think you have to say they've looked well coached, cuz for one thing you don't just throw 10 new guys together and get them to come out cohesive on D like this. They are in shape and look stronger than many of the teams we've faced so far. Except for the C's and Blazers who are top teams with tons of depth and talent. Still we could easily have won those games. Give the man his credit!!!

I thought I just did. I complimented D'Antoni on his rotation and the confidence he is showing in his rookies. I said that this is the best coaching he has done up to now. Did I praise him to the same extent you did? No, but it doesn't mean that I'm not giving him his due, far from it.
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11/6/2010  4:47 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
nixluva wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:I can't say very well coached yet, but I will say better coaching than the last couple of seasons. I like how he shows confidence in his rookies. I also like how minutes are being distributed by production, last few years it seemed to be mostly by seniority.

Mike had his best success with the vets playing the last 2 years. There wasn't a lot of success, but the team clearly was at its best during the stretches that people complain about the vets playing. They just couldn't sustain it.

As for this year, I think you have to say they've looked well coached, cuz for one thing you don't just throw 10 new guys together and get them to come out cohesive on D like this. They are in shape and look stronger than many of the teams we've faced so far. Except for the C's and Blazers who are top teams with tons of depth and talent. Still we could easily have won those games. Give the man his credit!!!

I thought I just did. I complimented D'Antoni on his rotation and the confidence he is showing in his rookies. I said that this is the best coaching he has done up to now. Did I praise him to the same extent you did? No, but it doesn't mean that I'm not giving him his due, far from it.

Yeah i'm saying that you could say VERY WELL COACHED! How did Thibs look in comparison? People were clamoring for this guy over Mike. Thibs team is supposed to be better than ours and some felt he'd be the better coach too. So IMO I think many of us need to acknowledge that he has done a very good job with the team and they look very well coached. The 2 losses we had were close ones that could've gone either way. So that's 5 of 5 games where the team showed up and played hard.
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11/6/2010  4:49 PM
fishmike wrote:we are getting good matchups, Chandler off the bench looks great, So does Douglas. He sat Gallo when he wasnt shooting well. He let Fields play his way into the starting line up. He's toned down the offense and Felton is looking better and better running the offense every game.

5 games into and we havent had one stinker. Port and Bos needed big plays in crunchtime from their stars to beat us.

This team is REALLY explosive defensively also. 10 guys are playing and every single one of them gets after it on defense

Knicks are 8th in the NBA in steals
Knicks are FIRST in the NBA in blocks
Knicks are 5th in opposing teams turnovers

To me the biggest thing is we are -.4 in rebounding differential.

Everyone knew rebounding was going to be a problem area and we say that all preseason. Guys are really stepping up


that portland game really bothers me, that is a game we seemed to have in the bag.... but as you said, both teams needed big plays to beat us...

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11/6/2010  4:50 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/6/2010  4:51 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:Hey we could be 5-0. Now Gallo and Douglas are coming along. Hopefully Randolph can get going cuz we need more frontcourt help.

If Gallo did not have the wrist injury we would be 4-1, and very possibly 5-0 at this point.

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11/6/2010  4:56 PM
nixluva wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
nixluva wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:I can't say very well coached yet, but I will say better coaching than the last couple of seasons. I like how he shows confidence in his rookies. I also like how minutes are being distributed by production, last few years it seemed to be mostly by seniority.

Mike had his best success with the vets playing the last 2 years. There wasn't a lot of success, but the team clearly was at its best during the stretches that people complain about the vets playing. They just couldn't sustain it.

As for this year, I think you have to say they've looked well coached, cuz for one thing you don't just throw 10 new guys together and get them to come out cohesive on D like this. They are in shape and look stronger than many of the teams we've faced so far. Except for the C's and Blazers who are top teams with tons of depth and talent. Still we could easily have won those games. Give the man his credit!!!

I thought I just did. I complimented D'Antoni on his rotation and the confidence he is showing in his rookies. I said that this is the best coaching he has done up to now. Did I praise him to the same extent you did? No, but it doesn't mean that I'm not giving him his due, far from it.

Yeah i'm saying that you could say VERY WELL COACHED! How did Thibs look in comparison? People were clamoring for this guy over Mike. Thibs team is supposed to be better than ours and some felt he'd be the better coach too. So IMO I think many of us need to acknowledge that he has done a very good job with the team and they look very well coached. The 2 losses we had were close ones that could've gone either way. So that's 5 of 5 games where the team showed up and played hard.


Never wanted Thibs. Not ready to call D'Antoni coach of the year, let alone coach of the month yet. Give him time to prove you right.
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11/6/2010  5:05 PM
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fishmike wrote:we are getting good matchups, Chandler off the bench looks great, So does Douglas. He sat Gallo when he wasnt shooting well. He let Fields play his way into the starting line up. He's toned down the offense and Felton is looking better and better running the offense every game.

5 games into and we havent had one stinker. Port and Bos needed big plays in crunchtime from their stars to beat us.

This team is REALLY explosive defensively also. 10 guys are playing and every single one of them gets after it on defense

Knicks are 8th in the NBA in steals
Knicks are FIRST in the NBA in blocks
Knicks are 5th in opposing teams turnovers

To me the biggest thing is we are -.4 in rebounding differential.

Everyone knew rebounding was going to be a problem area and we say that all preseason. Guys are really stepping up


that portland game really bothers me, that is a game we seemed to have in the bag.... but as you said, both teams needed big plays to beat us...

4 straight missed FTs and what should have been a layup (and which was fouled and part of the 4 FTs). For me that was the game.

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11/6/2010  5:07 PM
if after 5 games people were posting doomsday scenarios i have a feeling they'd be getting lambasted... personally i think it's too early to get too emotional over 3 wins, just like it would be if they'd lost those games... if after a few weeks we see this team at 4-5 games over .500, then i'll start getting excited.

that said, i do like what i'm seeing with the much improved shot blocking & shotmaking... guys like TD, Turiaf, Fields & Wilson are really stepping up to the challenge... Amare has struggled a bit but he's too good a player for that to last much longer... him & Felton just need to get their timing down... & hopefully AR gets his act together & shows something in the coming weeks, cuz we really need him to produce this year if we want to be a contender for the postseason.

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11/6/2010  5:48 PM
Yeah its surely too early to make any real hard judgements, but in scouting the 1st 5 games you have to at least say that the team looks to be more ready to win than many might have thought possible so early. After Pre Season, there wasn't an awful lot of confidence that Mike could pull it together as fast as he has. By all accounts the 1st few games had some tough games in terms of level of comp. We caught a break with Orl, but overall I think the teams effort level on D is what has most of us pretty happy so far.

I think the players fully realize how important the defensive end is. They interviewed TD and he said plainly that it was the defense that won the game and that all he thinks about is defense. That's a great sign. Mike was livid when the team made several awful trips on defense and he's been on them about it every game, so it's a good sign that everyone has been on the same page in terms of the defense.
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11/6/2010  6:12 PM
To me, AR is a big key. He had a bad preseason and has been equally bad the last two games. But we all know that he's a better player than that.
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11/6/2010  7:02 PM
nixluva wrote:Yeah its surely too early to make any real hard judgements, but in scouting the 1st 5 games you have to at least say that the team looks to be more ready to win than many might have thought possible so early. After Pre Season, there wasn't an awful lot of confidence that Mike could pull it together as fast as he has. By all accounts the 1st few games had some tough games in terms of level of comp. We caught a break with Orl, but overall I think the teams effort level on D is what has most of us pretty happy so far.

I think the players fully realize how important the defensive end is. They interviewed TD and he said plainly that it was the defense that won the game and that all he thinks about is defense. That's a great sign. Mike was livid when the team made several awful trips on defense and he's been on them about it every game, so it's a good sign that everyone has been on the same page in terms of the defense.

so far in the season TD has looked to be the closest to an untouchable that we've got amongst the young guys... Wilson too... but i think it's realistic to assume that those 2 will most likely be the ones involved in any trade deals going forward.

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TMS wrote:
nixluva wrote:Yeah its surely too early to make any real hard judgements, but in scouting the 1st 5 games you have to at least say that the team looks to be more ready to win than many might have thought possible so early. After Pre Season, there wasn't an awful lot of confidence that Mike could pull it together as fast as he has. By all accounts the 1st few games had some tough games in terms of level of comp. We caught a break with Orl, but overall I think the teams effort level on D is what has most of us pretty happy so far.

I think the players fully realize how important the defensive end is. They interviewed TD and he said plainly that it was the defense that won the game and that all he thinks about is defense. That's a great sign. Mike was livid when the team made several awful trips on defense and he's been on them about it every game, so it's a good sign that everyone has been on the same page in terms of the defense.

so far in the season TD has looked to be the closest to an untouchable that we've got amongst the young guys... Wilson too... but i think it's realistic to assume that those 2 will most likely be the ones involved in any trade deals going forward.

I agree

Everyone knew rebounding was going to be a problem area and we say that all preseason. Guys are really stepping up

I knew we would have to rebound by committe, and thats exactly what were doing. guys are very unselfish, spreading the floor, and trusting each other..there's also been very few bad shots, and the 3's are just there for the taking.

Like the way amare made the adjustment after the sloppy ass games he played prior.

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