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BRIGGS
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11/5/2010  10:54 PM
Curry Randolph a 2012 2nd rounder +3mm bucks to Phoenix for J Rich

Move J Rich into the starting line up and Fields into the 2nd unit

All we would need is extra big man depth and I think we could compete with anyone this year to the end--we would have 20 pt scorers all over the place almost impossible to match up with. I think we score 110-120 every night.

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11/5/2010  10:59 PM
The way Gallo's shooting the rock, I am not really thinking about Melo quite as much.
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11/5/2010  11:09 PM
Phoenix maybe looking to move contracts. Also, Sac has a ton of bigs. Jason Thompson isn't starting anymore and is getting minimal minutes since they got Cousins and Dalembert. Thompson can be a very good big and would be a huge addition to this team. I think you have been right in saying that the best teams in the East are loaded with depth in the big man positions. I also am concerned with Turiaf's reckless play and the potential for Amare to have injury problems.
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BRIGGS
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11/5/2010  11:14 PM
CrushAlot wrote:Phoenix maybe looking to move contracts. Also, Sac has a ton of bigs. Jason Thompson isn't starting anymore and is getting minimal minutes since they got Cousins and Dalembert. Thompson can be a very good big and would be a huge addition to this team. I think you have been right in saying that the best teams in the East are loaded with depth in the big man positions. I also am concerned with Turiaf's reckless play and the potential for Amare to have injury problems.

Thats what I was thinking J Thompson and J Rich if it can be done. Keep Gallo and everyone else.

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11/5/2010  11:15 PM
You're really all over the place.

First you want Randolph badly and now you want to trade him for Jason Richardson and his garbage contract.

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11/5/2010  11:17 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/5/2010  11:19 PM
Childs2Dudley wrote:You're really all over the place.

First you want Randolph badly and now you want to trade him for Jason Richardson and his garbage contract.

J Rich is a 20-5-4 guy here and hes on an ending contract. Look at the people who wanted to give up Douglas Gallo Randolph and Chandler for CA--and i think that includes you my friend. That would have killed our good team.

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11/5/2010  11:20 PM
I'd rather have Melo.
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11/5/2010  11:30 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/5/2010  11:34 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:You're really all over the place.

First you want Randolph badly and now you want to trade him for Jason Richardson and his garbage contract.

J Rich is a 20-5-4 guy here and hes on an ending contract. Look at the people who wanted to give up Douglas Gallo Randolph and Chandler for CA--and i think that includes you my friend. That would have killed our good team.

You're wrong, my friend.

And if I wasn't lazy, I'd find multiple threads where I expressed displeasure to trade all our guys for Carmelo when we can sign him in free agency.

Still doesn't explain why you flip flop so quickly on guys.

You were talking up AR now you want to trade him for a good SG but no game-changer.

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11/5/2010  11:31 PM
Vmart wrote:I'd rather have Melo.

for what--you cant give up guys from this team--you can see that. Amare is not even that good here--its the team thats winning. Im willing to improve the team but not gut the team.

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11/5/2010  11:39 PM
AR's values is close to eddie curry
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11/5/2010  11:55 PM
knicks1248 wrote:AR's values is close to eddie curry
Randolph and Thompson were both 08 draft picks and were taken two picks a part. I think their salaries are close to matching and I think their value is similar. I don't want to trade Randolph but I don't think it would take much more than him for Thompson if that was the direction the team is going.

I really like Randolph. I can't tell if he is the pre-injury player I saw and watched on film. I also don't know if D'Antoni has the patience or ability to build him up and develop him. If he doesn't Thompson would be a great addition to this team in my opinion.

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11/6/2010  2:13 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:AR's values is close to eddie curry
Randolph and Thompson were both 08 draft picks and were taken two picks a part. I think their salaries are close to matching and I think their value is similar. I don't want to trade Randolph but I don't think it would take much more than him for Thompson if that was the direction the team is going.

I really like Randolph. I can't tell if he is the pre-injury player I saw and watched on film. I also don't know if D'Antoni has the patience or ability to build him up and develop him. If he doesn't Thompson would be a great addition to this team in my opinion.


Not ready to give up on Randolph yet, but Thompson would be more of an MDA guy, I think. I have not been following the Kings that closely, but he seemed on the way to becoming a pretty decent and consistent PF- I'm a bit surprised at his demise.
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11/6/2010  8:49 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/6/2010  8:51 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
Vmart wrote:I'd rather have Melo.

for what--you cant give up guys from this team--you can see that. Amare is not even that good here--its the team thats winning. Im willing to improve the team but not gut the team.

The Knicks winning is all because of Amare. Your a better basketball analyst than that. Amare is drawing so much attention its creating open looks for the entire team. As for giving talent why would you want Richardson he is a garbage player, adding him will only take away minutes from a young team and hurt development. Briggs you wanted Randolph and you have him now you want to move him, sorry but it makes no sense adding Richardson to the team. You have Azu coming back in December and you have a young Fields/Douglas who are playing well you want to stunt their growth for a one year rental like Richardson. We have dealt with expiring deals and their me attitutdes. If richardson comes here he does the same thing Harrington, Hughes and all vet expiring contracts do.

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11/6/2010  8:51 AM
Paladin55 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:AR's values is close to eddie curry
Randolph and Thompson were both 08 draft picks and were taken two picks a part. I think their salaries are close to matching and I think their value is similar. I don't want to trade Randolph but I don't think it would take much more than him for Thompson if that was the direction the team is going.

I really like Randolph. I can't tell if he is the pre-injury player I saw and watched on film. I also don't know if D'Antoni has the patience or ability to build him up and develop him. If he doesn't Thompson would be a great addition to this team in my opinion.


Not ready to give up on Randolph yet, but Thompson would be more of an MDA guy, I think. I have not been following the Kings that closely, but he seemed on the way to becoming a pretty decent and consistent PF- I'm a bit surprised at his demise.

I don't think it's about giving up on any player. We have to see if AR fits here. Id like him to do 5-7 game sin the D league where he gets 40 minutes a night and gets his confidence and groove back. he did have 7 rebounds and 2 blocks in 10 minutes but still does not look like a fit the way he played in GS--it something to keep an eye on--maybe Thompson and Randolph would be e a good swap for each team? You have to think that Thompson is not happy with what is going on there. I think it is possible he could get 25 -30 minutes here. Keep Amare's minutes down towards the low 30's keep Turriaf in the low 20's and add Randolphs 10 minutes. I think were pressing our luck with those guys--I dont think they can be long term big minute players.

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11/6/2010  9:01 AM
AR has barely played - call me after he has played solid minutes for 20 games. This team is still getting to know each other and develop chemistry, and they are already building an identity.

Remember last time the Knicks were playing like this they traded KVH etc and it ruined the progress we had been making. I say no trades for now, let them play.

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11/6/2010  10:43 AM
OasisBU wrote:AR has barely played - call me after he has played solid minutes for 20 games. This team is still getting to know each other and develop chemistry, and they are already building an identity.

Remember last time the Knicks were playing like this they traded KVH etc and it ruined the progress we had been making. I say no trades for now, let them play.

I agree with you--Im holding cards right now--but I can see the weakness. As we get into the year I have to think that 2 rookies in the starting line up may be too much(but well see) and we dont want the bigs to take on too many minutes

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11/6/2010  10:59 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/6/2010  11:02 AM
As of now we are getting good production from our guard play, so I wouldnt jump the gun on a proven scorer like Jrich just yet. What I really want is what Isiah had hoped for in Eddie Curry, SINCE this is never going to happen, we should go after a strong big.

Blatche played very well against us yesterday, Dampier is always a name being thrown around in trade discussions. M, Gasol and maybe even Okafor could give us some interior presence we desperately need (if you guys think any other big would fit in well here, let me hear some).

Dont get me wrong Ronnie is playing well, but how long will he last? We need to fortify our center position because is seems that is a weaker link than our guards. I like to think that while the offense will get us into the playoffs, ultimately defense will win championships.

Before the season, if trade rumors surfaced that we could get Melo for TD and Chandler and actually get to keep AR and Gallo, everyone on this board would have grabbed that deal. Now its kinda the opposite, with AR being too raw and Gallo playing the same position as Melo. Conversely, TD brings something totally different to the table, and Chandler is so versatile, we can plug him in anywhere.

I am just not sure right now, giving up players that can play defense for a player that really cant doesnt make sense for a team that gives up over 100 points a game.

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11/6/2010  11:53 AM
that's a trade Phoenix won't make unless they decide to trade Nash, too and just rebuild.

i've seen phoenix - JRich is the heart and soul and offense of that team right after Nash.

No way they give him up unless they are planning to tear their team down and rebuild.

(and i don't think phoenix would ever willingly trade with us)

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11/6/2010  11:56 AM
Knicks should be doing nothing and just let the rest of the league watch how good our guys are playing
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11/6/2010  12:03 PM
fishmike wrote:Knicks should be doing nothing and just let the rest of the league watch how good our guys are playing

yeah. i think we're actually in great shape to feel out the Melo situation until the trade deadline.

if the Nuggets decide to move him elsewhere AND he signs an extension elsewhere, the Knicks can investigate what they can get for Curry and some of their less essential young talent...

there are going to be plenty of guys available: if Melo goes, Billups will go too, Iggy from Philly, Arenas, maybe Nash, maybe JRich, maybe Baron Davis... i have faith in Donnie to read the market and get something good that fits the team we've got building here.

for right now, the knicks should build what they've got and re-evaluate come mid-season.

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