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rvwink
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11/5/2010  8:30 AM
Turiaf
6.3 points, 4.3 reb., 2.5 assists, +13.5 eff., 2.2 bk2, TO .2, .600 shooting % in 24 min a game.

Mosgov
1.5 points, 2.5 reb. .5 assists, 2.25 eff, .8 bks, To 1.5, .286 shooting % in 12.5 min a game

Whose game do you like better for the Knicks over the whole season? Also, which of Mosgov's numbers do you think will improve the most during the season? How many rebounds is he likely to get for example?
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Nalod
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11/5/2010  8:44 AM
Last nite you saw Timo's Defensive ability to block or change a shot. He is quick.

I don't know why he only played 10 min but I don't second as we don't know much. Injury, Matchup, Etc all play.

Rony had a great game so why not go with him?

Its 4 games and while Barkley and the rest of the world into stats, its just a 4 game sample.

The Moz is going to be just fine! Rony looks good in the system!
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11/5/2010  9:04 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/5/2010  9:16 AM
Moz hasn't gotten back into these games because he hasn't started out great in any one game [a lot of that has to do with the fact that we're just not looking to use him on the offensive end at all] and because Ronny has proven to be more of a factor in each contest. I would like Felton to look for Moz more early in these games to try and get him rolling...The Moz we all saw in the WC and in these Russian clips looked to be an above average pick, roll and finish player -- we're not looking to utilize those skills of his like that for some reason. If I'm D'antoni/Ray/TD I'd make it a point to get Moz more involved whenever he's in the game..

Turiaf, meanwhile, has done a real nice job out there..Dude's not an all-star by any means but he's had the type of impact that I knew he was capable of having..Last night he even did a good job on the boards -- I thought he gave his best effort on the glass last night against the Bulls so far this season -- was really fighting hard..Should he be a better rebounder given his size and athleticism? Probably (dude was a plus rebounder when he got starter mins. in college--that aspect hasn't quite translated to the NBA for some reason), but he's a very solid defender/shot-blocker and he's a pretty capable offensive player when called upon..Nice job so far.
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11/5/2010  9:08 AM
Both of these guys will end up being Garden favorites.

Turiaf has been a great pickup, and if healthy, I can't see why a team would not want this guy as a back-up center or spot starter.

Mosguv will come along, but Turiaf has been move consistent, and MDA is showing that he gives minutes to the guys who perform the way wants them to play.

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11/5/2010  9:12 AM
I thought Moz made a few critical TOs at the start of the second half, could be why he was pulled.

I really haven't been as impressed with his play over the past 4 games, thought he would be better.

Still a lot to learn and he should pick up his play.

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11/5/2010  10:03 AM
Turiaf's defensive intensity helps the Knicks where they need it most. Last night the Knicks don't seem to have a problem scoring. Defensive help in the paint was what the Knick's needed most to win that game. Forcing the Bulls to score mainly from the outside, was the key. For next few months at least, I am betting Turiaf continues to get more minutes than Mosgov.
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11/5/2010  10:04 AM
martin wrote:I thought Moz made a few critical TOs at the start of the second half, could be why he was pulled.

I really haven't been as impressed with his play over the past 4 games, thought he would be better.

Still a lot to learn and he should pick up his play.

He got pulled in the 2nd half because the Bulls cut the lead from ~20 to ~10 with Moz playing. Unfortunately for Moz, he should be playing the hustle role: defense, boards, put backs, open dunks. At this point, the offense should *not* be running through Moz and that's what we saw in the 2nd half last night: Moz getting the ball at the top of the key. Moz should be standing by the basket waiting for a pass from a driving guard.

I'm still convinced that Moz is a valuable asset once we figure out how to use him effectively. We could definitely use his athleticism, length and hustle.
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11/5/2010  10:26 AM
Moz has played 4 NBA games. Let's not draw conclusions from his stats but from what we've seen in terms of skills, athleticism and hustle/attitude. He still looks good to me in each of those key areas. He just looks a little nervous. I'm very confident he'll get it together. In the meantime, force feeding him minutes early in the game and letting him earn 2nd half minutes with strong play seems the right approach. It's what did w/ Gallo.

As for Turiaf, I like everything about his play but his inability to finish down low and foul shooting. Defense is excellent. Shot blocking great. Plenty of hustle. Doesn't force his offense. And it doesn't look like he's playing over his head, because what he brings isn't really skill but drive and athleticism, so I don't see any reason why he can't keep it up. I was expecting him to be a 15 min/game type player. I think he's good enough to play 25 or so -- and for that to come down in games when Moz is on, or AR is playing well and the matchups are such that we don't need a legit 5 for long stretches.
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11/5/2010  11:27 AM
Tinafey aint ready for primetime.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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11/5/2010  12:23 PM
were getting some length at the basket we did not have. our backline is huge 7-1 6-60 6-10 and you can see evry game so far that our size 2-5 + speed at 1 has hurt the opponent
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11/5/2010  1:09 PM
I tell you what. Moz may have only recorded a block per game in his minutes, but he sure does make players miss shots that would be layups last year.
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11/5/2010  1:26 PM
The one thing that I am excited about Turiaf is not the obvious (PnR finish and shot blocking) but he is a great teammate. When Gallo was cooking in the first half last night, Ronnie was all pumped and was very vocal and demonstrative with Gallo. We are lucky to have him.
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11/5/2010  1:30 PM
martin wrote:I tell you what. Moz may have only recorded a block per game in his minutes, but he sure does make players miss shots that would be layups last year.

Agreed. He alters a lot of shots. I also think his presence makes it easier for weak side help to get blocks. A guard driving into the paint slows up a step to go around Moz giving the trailing defender and opportunity to block the shot...

I just wish that we could get 6 hard fouls out of him instead of 2 hard fouls and a bunch of senseless fouls. That will come with time though.

You know I gonna spin wit it
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11/5/2010  1:33 PM
rvwink wrote:Turiaf
6.3 points, 4.3 reb., 2.5 assists, +13.5 eff., 2.2 bk2, TO .2, .600 shooting % in 24 min a game.

Mosgov
1.5 points, 2.5 reb. .5 assists, 2.25 eff, .8 bks, To 1.5, .286 shooting % in 12.5 min a game

Whose game do you like better for the Knicks over the whole season? Also, which of Mosgov's numbers do you think will improve the most during the season? How many rebounds is he likely to get for example?

Turiaf should be starting right now, it's pretty obvious if u ask me... Mozgov is still getting used to the NBA tempo, he should be coming off the bench until he gets more comfortable w/this offense.

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11/5/2010  1:38 PM
Moz is a defensive presence, causes altered shots, has great athleticism and is a veteran of 4 games. He has the tools and an 5 years will probably surpass Turiaf and maybe most of the centers in the league IF he developes as we hope. For now, Turiaf is a solid veteran presence, a good guy to have on a team, limited upside but solid not spectacular. Leave it for D'A to try to use them best.
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11/5/2010  2:14 PM
Watching him off the ball the kid just moves great. My wife noticed Amare "hops" and has spring in all his movement. Moz has an athletic prowess you can't teach.

Even the move he made where he lost the ball, got it back and still went to the rim was nice.

Its not the execution at this point but the attempts as he learns and gets up to speed.

This might take time!!!!!

Its not who starts, its who finishes!

We have not seen our true rotation yet. Toronto game we say a strong finish. Last nite was different. Both Wins.

We have not seen a finished product. Just a glimpse.
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11/5/2010  2:22 PM
martin wrote:I tell you what. Moz may have only recorded a block per game in his minutes, but he sure does make players miss shots that would be layups last year.

Always seems like he is doing more in terms of blocks than he is give credit for.

How much autonomy does the home town official scorer have for deciding whether a block (and assists, for that matter) took place?

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11/5/2010  2:24 PM
MIke is doing the right thing by allowing Timo to learn by going up against the Starters in the NBA. This is gonna pay big dividends at the end of the year. Turiaf doesn't need that experience and he's still getting starter minutes, so this is the perfect scenario. I'm very pleased with this process and how it's strengthening the bench. Mike spreading out his talent like this is making a positive impact in games. Our bench killed Chicago's bench last night.

Timo hasn't been totally embarrased against the bigtime bigs. His D has been a problem for some of them. Aldridge missed some shots against Timo that you could see his size and agility was a factor. Only the superior athletic ability of guys like Rose & Roy etc. are able to overcome his presence inside. Other guys on the opposing teams are effected by his length. It's not about the stats all the time. I'm seeing his impact and i'm sure Mike does too.
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11/5/2010  2:24 PM
Paladin55 wrote:
martin wrote:I tell you what. Moz may have only recorded a block per game in his minutes, but he sure does make players miss shots that would be layups last year.

Always seems like he is doing more in terms of blocks than he is give credit for.

How much autonomy does the home town official scorer have for deciding whether a block (and assists, for that matter) took place?

a block is a block, you gotta touch the ball on the way to the basket otherwise it's just a bad shot. But there is a lot of gray area in assists.

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11/5/2010  2:29 PM
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rvwink wrote:Turiaf
6.3 points, 4.3 reb., 2.5 assists, +13.5 eff., 2.2 bk2, TO .2, .600 shooting % in 24 min a game.

Mosgov
1.5 points, 2.5 reb. .5 assists, 2.25 eff, .8 bks, To 1.5, .286 shooting % in 12.5 min a game

Whose game do you like better for the Knicks over the whole season? Also, which of Mosgov's numbers do you think will improve the most during the season? How many rebounds is he likely to get for example?

Turiaf should be starting right now, it's pretty obvious if u ask me... Mozgov is still getting used to the NBA tempo, he should be coming off the bench until he gets more comfortable w/this offense.

The way MDA is doing it now is fine- MPG is more important than whether or not you start, in this case. You ride Mosguv as far as you can before he is hurting the team and then bring in Turiaf, who ends up playing the majority of the minutes at C.

Hopefully the Russian begins to earn his extra minutes as the season progresses.

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