And wtf is up with TnT, they completely rip us like were a D-league team. It was all about what the bulls were doing wrong, rather then what the knicks were doing right. I wanted to choke the living crap out of Kerr, barkley, and even marv. It's just no love for the knicks on TnT.

I'm not sure what TT was thinking about when he left Rose on the bench, not sure what message he was trying to send, but it's almost like he said- fck it we got bigger fish to fry against boston- these guy's aren't worth the energy, let me see what my subs are all about. Overall I the knicks still arent getting any respect

Maybe his coach was instructing him to do one thing and he was ignoring him. It happens.

Barkley going off on Amare's 3 game stats was stupid. Kerr is obviously going to support Sarvers position because it was his position. Basically that Amare won't hold up in years 4 and 5 on his contract. Its a valid concern but one we won't know until then.

coming in 1-2 with our star not putting up stats had the makings of a bad game. That was a big road win for us and it earned respect.

Bulls will be better with Booze and we'll get better.

Nalod wrote:
Rose looked like he gassed himself and maybe it was pissing off his supporting cast. He is still young and still learning leadership and when to apply himself and when to get others involved. He seemed to be imposing his will effectively but not sustainable.

Maybe his coach was instructing him to do one thing and he was ignoring him. It happens.

Barkley going off on Amare's 3 game stats was stupid. Kerr is obviously going to support Sarvers position because it was his position. Basically that Amare won't hold up in years 4 and 5 on his contract. Its a valid concern but one we won't know until then.

coming in 1-2 with our star not putting up stats had the makings of a bad game. That was a big road win for us and it earned respect.

Bulls will be better with Booze and we'll get better.

I don't understand the timeline Kerr is talking about. What is the history of players who have the same operation as Amare had. Who are those athletes that took a year to come back, came back too full health knee-wise, and then wilted after 5-6 years?

Kerr should also remind everyone that the reason they got Nash was that the Dallas organization that Steve would not hold up through his next contract because of injury problems; meanwhile, he is on his second PHO contract.

I always thought Barkley was TnT's mascott, so I rearly take anything he says seriously. Kerr, former suns exec, and former bulls player, analyse that game like a bitter ex husband. Marv wasn't that bad, but he took his shots here and there.

knicks1248 wrote:Rose had 14 ast after 3 qtrs, how is that hurting the team. i personally feel that the bulls are not there even with boozer. Detriot sucks really bad, and they kept harping on the fact that they came back from 21 down @ home to one of the worst teams in the league.

I always thought Barkley was TnT's mascott, so I rearly take anything he says seriously. Kerr, former suns exec, and former bulls player, analyse that game like a bitter ex husband. Marv wasn't that bad, but he took his shots here and there.

After 4-5 games most teams are not set. The knicks have been bad for years so they have to earn their reputation. The last time they were on National TV they were bad. Really bad!!!

Kerr was OK and had the perspective from the Suns view and naturally would defend his/their position. He likley still advises sarver.

If we play .500 ball and beat good teams along the way we'll earn that respect.

Barkley is comic relief.

Marv Albert was calling games in 1968. Dude is a vampire!

Nalod wrote:

martin wrote:

Nalod wrote:
Rose looked like he gassed himself and maybe it was pissing off his supporting cast. He is still young and still learning leadership and when to apply himself and when to get others involved. He seemed to be imposing his will effectively but not sustainable.

Maybe his coach was instructing him to do one thing and he was ignoring him. It happens.

Barkley going off on Amare's 3 game stats was stupid. Kerr is obviously going to support Sarvers position because it was his position. Basically that Amare won't hold up in years 4 and 5 on his contract. Its a valid concern but one we won't know until then.

coming in 1-2 with our star not putting up stats had the makings of a bad game. That was a big road win for us and it earned respect.

Bulls will be better with Booze and we'll get better.

I don't understand the timeline Kerr is talking about. What is the history of players who have the same operation as Amare had. Who are those athletes that took a year to come back, came back too full health knee-wise, and then wilted after 5-6 years?

Kerr should also remind everyone that the reason they got Nash was that the Dallas organization that Steve would not hold up through his next contract because of injury problems; meanwhile, he is on his second PHO contract.

It really boils down to risk management. Knicks got more money than Phx and that knee is not insured. A contract like that can kill a smaller owner. Perhaps is Amare had lessor offers or the same he might have stayed. Perhaps he is genuine in his love for NY and "the money don't suck either".

I can respect PHX position as a business decision.

Knicks needed Amare a lot.

As for Nash, I believe his fist PHX contract after Dallas was like 65 million and was deemed very reasonable at the time. Dallas made a bad choice but it was the system that really elevated Nash to HOF status.

Berman has an article that spells out logically if the Suns are setting and going nowhere Nash becomes available. He states (Kerr) we don't have the tools to get a Nash deal done like we don't have either for Carmello. Berman being a ***** says nothing to the fact that Nash might have trade clause and I doubt he goes anywhere he does not want to. Personally I like him and would enjoy him in a knick uniform but his elite days are likely behind him but I could see him for us to go deeper in the playoffs. That scenario is not in the present. Nash would be wise to get to a true contender like the Magic as Nelson seems to get hurt often and they have a similar type game. Nash as backup is a better alternative than White Chocolate and Duhan. Nelson could start but its who finishes that matter.

If knicks go all in with trades that elevate our expectations then perhaps. If felton is doing the job I doubt you make a move. Of course HOF-MVP Nash is better but its the circumstances.

I like Nash on the knicks but it depends on the price and the Circumstances. Can't just get Nash as a starphuch addition after you gave the team to Rainman. Unless you trade the Rainman for Nash. Thats not gonna happen.

I can also respect the PHO position but it was not a well thought out one. They HAD to have known that they were not going to fully extend Amare for a full 5 and that there would be GREAT risk losing him. In retrospect they should have had that planned out at the beginning of 2009 and traded him to get value back.

Did they really think that Amare, at 27 years old, would accept only 3 years being guaranteed on his contract and have minutes clauses in his contract for the rest? This is not the NFL, no NBA player does that unless it's bonus related.

martin wrote:

Nalod wrote:

martin wrote:

Nalod wrote:
Rose looked like he gassed himself and maybe it was pissing off his supporting cast. He is still young and still learning leadership and when to apply himself and when to get others involved. He seemed to be imposing his will effectively but not sustainable.

Maybe his coach was instructing him to do one thing and he was ignoring him. It happens.

Barkley going off on Amare's 3 game stats was stupid. Kerr is obviously going to support Sarvers position because it was his position. Basically that Amare won't hold up in years 4 and 5 on his contract. Its a valid concern but one we won't know until then.

coming in 1-2 with our star not putting up stats had the makings of a bad game. That was a big road win for us and it earned respect.

Bulls will be better with Booze and we'll get better.

I don't understand the timeline Kerr is talking about. What is the history of players who have the same operation as Amare had. Who are those athletes that took a year to come back, came back too full health knee-wise, and then wilted after 5-6 years?

Kerr should also remind everyone that the reason they got Nash was that the Dallas organization that Steve would not hold up through his next contract because of injury problems; meanwhile, he is on his second PHO contract.

It really boils down to risk management. Knicks got more money than Phx and that knee is not insured. A contract like that can kill a smaller owner. Perhaps is Amare had lessor offers or the same he might have stayed. Perhaps he is genuine in his love for NY and "the money don't suck either".

I can respect PHX position as a business decision.

Knicks needed Amare a lot.

As for Nash, I believe his fist PHX contract after Dallas was like 65 million and was deemed very reasonable at the time. Dallas made a bad choice but it was the system that really elevated Nash to HOF status.

Berman has an article that spells out logically if the Suns are setting and going nowhere Nash becomes available. He states (Kerr) we don't have the tools to get a Nash deal done like we don't have either for Carmello. Berman being a ***** says nothing to the fact that Nash might have trade clause and I doubt he goes anywhere he does not want to. Personally I like him and would enjoy him in a knick uniform but his elite days are likely behind him but I could see him for us to go deeper in the playoffs. That scenario is not in the present. Nash would be wise to get to a true contender like the Magic as Nelson seems to get hurt often and they have a similar type game. Nash as backup is a better alternative than White Chocolate and Duhan. Nelson could start but its who finishes that matter.

If knicks go all in with trades that elevate our expectations then perhaps. If felton is doing the job I doubt you make a move. Of course HOF-MVP Nash is better but its the circumstances.

I like Nash on the knicks but it depends on the price and the Circumstances. Can't just get Nash as a starphuch addition after you gave the team to Rainman. Unless you trade the Rainman for Nash. Thats not gonna happen.

I can also respect the PHO position but it was not a well thought out one. They HAD to have known that they were not going to fully extend Amare for a full 5 and that there would be GREAT risk losing him. In retrospect they should have had that planned out at the beginning of 2009 and traded him to get value back.

Did they really think that Amare, at 27 years old, would accept only 3 years being guaranteed on his contract and have minutes clauses in his contract for the rest? This is not the NFL, no NBA player does that unless it's bonus related.

I agree, I also believe that kerr wasn't that bright as a gm to begin with.

Barkely will have something fair to say, and HIS criticism was fair about Amar'e. He absolutely has to rebound more. From what I saw of the game, Steve Kerr praised the Knicks whenever they played well.

martin wrote:

Nalod wrote:

martin wrote:

Nalod wrote:
Rose looked like he gassed himself and maybe it was pissing off his supporting cast. He is still young and still learning leadership and when to apply himself and when to get others involved. He seemed to be imposing his will effectively but not sustainable.

Maybe his coach was instructing him to do one thing and he was ignoring him. It happens.

Barkley going off on Amare's 3 game stats was stupid. Kerr is obviously going to support Sarvers position because it was his position. Basically that Amare won't hold up in years 4 and 5 on his contract. Its a valid concern but one we won't know until then.

coming in 1-2 with our star not putting up stats had the makings of a bad game. That was a big road win for us and it earned respect.

Bulls will be better with Booze and we'll get better.

I don't understand the timeline Kerr is talking about. What is the history of players who have the same operation as Amare had. Who are those athletes that took a year to come back, came back too full health knee-wise, and then wilted after 5-6 years?

Kerr should also remind everyone that the reason they got Nash was that the Dallas organization that Steve would not hold up through his next contract because of injury problems; meanwhile, he is on his second PHO contract.

It really boils down to risk management. Knicks got more money than Phx and that knee is not insured. A contract like that can kill a smaller owner. Perhaps is Amare had lessor offers or the same he might have stayed. Perhaps he is genuine in his love for NY and "the money don't suck either".

I can respect PHX position as a business decision.

Knicks needed Amare a lot.

As for Nash, I believe his fist PHX contract after Dallas was like 65 million and was deemed very reasonable at the time. Dallas made a bad choice but it was the system that really elevated Nash to HOF status.

Berman has an article that spells out logically if the Suns are setting and going nowhere Nash becomes available. He states (Kerr) we don't have the tools to get a Nash deal done like we don't have either for Carmello. Berman being a ***** says nothing to the fact that Nash might have trade clause and I doubt he goes anywhere he does not want to. Personally I like him and would enjoy him in a knick uniform but his elite days are likely behind him but I could see him for us to go deeper in the playoffs. That scenario is not in the present. Nash would be wise to get to a true contender like the Magic as Nelson seems to get hurt often and they have a similar type game. Nash as backup is a better alternative than White Chocolate and Duhan. Nelson could start but its who finishes that matter.

If knicks go all in with trades that elevate our expectations then perhaps. If felton is doing the job I doubt you make a move. Of course HOF-MVP Nash is better but its the circumstances.

I like Nash on the knicks but it depends on the price and the Circumstances. Can't just get Nash as a starphuch addition after you gave the team to Rainman. Unless you trade the Rainman for Nash. Thats not gonna happen.

I can also respect the PHO position but it was not a well thought out one. They HAD to have known that they were not going to fully extend Amare for a full 5 and that there would be GREAT risk losing him. In retrospect they should have had that planned out at the beginning of 2009 and traded him to get value back.

Did they really think that Amare, at 27 years old, would accept only 3 years being guaranteed on his contract and have minutes clauses in his contract for the rest? This is not the NFL, no NBA player does that unless it's bonus related.

Good points. I know they tried to move him to Cleveland and Golden State last year. Im wondering if his agent flat out told them what they wanted for a new contract and it made them back off. And we don't know the players and their contracts offered in return.

Cleveland if they had JJ hickson as the centerpiece it could have been worth it but Amare might have balked a the thought of playing in cleveland even with Lebron. Its Still cleveland.