in phoenix either nash set him up in the paint, or off a pick n pop or the ball came around to him around the basket. that's why he shot over 55% there. more telling than his turnovers is the fact he is shooting closer to 40% which if you have been watching the games has not been a fluke. it's only 4 games but it is very alarming and for us to have any shot at the playoffs he needs to come close to his efficiency in phoenix.

i'm sure d'antoni is aware of this and i hope the offense goes through danilo more as he's the only other guy that can create and finish himself. he's much more suited for the elbow than amare. hopefully the pick n roll develops but the offense with amare starting far from the basket is just not working out and i doubt it gets much better.

knicks1248 wrote:

Finestrg wrote:Tonight I felt his turnover problem was much more an individual thing rather than a PG thing..

Youre definitely right but a part of it is still because he's not being set up in the right spots. 20 plus feet out dribbling into a double or triple team will result in that if you dont handle the ball lile dirk at that height.

bishop wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Finestrg wrote:Tonight I felt his turnover problem was much more an individual thing rather than a PG thing..

Youre definitely right but a part of it is still because he's not being set up in the right spots. 20 plus feet out dribbling into a double or triple team will result in that if you dont handle the ball lile dirk at that height.

True, true..For either way this guy chooses to score the ball (turn and faces defender & either pops jumper if there's room or drives it) he needs it much closer to the basket...One or two dribbles max and attack, nothing more than that. If I'm Ray and TD I keep that in mind now...I'd abandon an notion of trying to hit him with a pass more than 10' out for the time being. That was definitely the case the first 3 games --- last night though, I thought our two PGs did a much better job in this area (part of that had to do with the fact that they were both very effective offensively themselves). Amar'e's TOs were much more a product of him simply coughing up the ball with good position in close -- just fumbling the ball away, driving and stepping on the baseline in the first half (his best move of the game btw), getting his shot blocked more than once, missing that one-handed throw-down, etc..Didn't really have anything to do with the PGs on those plays -- those mistakes were on him..I've seen a shaky handle & questionable hands so far (makes me wonder if his hands are on the small side for a guy that big)...Pretty surprising up to this point because the Amar'e I remember has always been a dynamite finisher..

My friend Al sends me a text during the game: "Does Amar'e even have any post moves"? Then later: "he's not a go-to offensive player, he's a junk ball player." He's right...Can't really argue that...Still, he's a top player and a force when he's going right and he is playing hard..Some things just need to be sorted out a little..

Still I like what I see so far --- we're 2-2, should be 3-1 and possibly even 4-0. Won the two we should win and hung tough against two of the better teams in the NBA. And that's with a spotty STAT, Gallo non-existent for the first 3 games and nothing outta Randolph so far..Safe to assume we'll get even better..Imagine when we start clicking..

Finestrg wrote:

bishop wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Finestrg wrote:Tonight I felt his turnover problem was much more an individual thing rather than a PG thing..

Youre definitely right but a part of it is still because he's not being set up in the right spots. 20 plus feet out dribbling into a double or triple team will result in that if you dont handle the ball lile dirk at that height.

True, true..For either way this guy chooses to score the ball (turn and faces defender & either pops jumper if there's room or drives it) he needs it much closer to the basket...One or two dribbles max and attack, nothing more than that. If I'm Ray and TD I keep that in mind now...I'd abandon an notion of trying to hit him with a pass more than 10' out for the time being. That was definitely the case the first 3 games --- last night though, I thought our two PGs did a much better job in this area (part of that had to do with the fact that they were both very effective offensively themselves). Amar'e's TOs were much more a product of him simply coughing up the ball with good position in close -- just fumbling the ball away, driving and stepping on the baseline in the first half (his best move of the game btw), getting his shot blocked more than once, missing that one-handed throw-down, etc..Didn't really have anything to do with the PGs on those plays -- those mistakes were on him..I've seen a shaky handle & questionable hands so far (makes me wonder if his hands are on the small side for a guy that big)...Pretty surprising up to this point because the Amar'e I remember has always been a dynamite finisher..

My friend Al sends me a text during the game: "Does Amar'e even have any post moves"? Then later: "he's not a go-to offensive player, he's a junk ball player." He's right...Can't really argue that...Still, he's a top player and a force when he's going right and he is playing hard..Some things just need to be sorted out a little..

Still I like what I see so far --- we're 2-2, should be 3-1 and possibly even 4-0. Won the two we should win and hung tough against two of the better teams in the NBA. And that's with a spotty STAT, Gallo non-existent for the first 3 games and nothing outta Randolph so far..Safe to assume we'll get even better..Imagine when we start clicking..

Did u see some of the jumpers he took, fadewaways, contested shots, off balance shots, and almost all of it looks force. He should of had like 7ast last night, the opportunity was there, he just chose to shoot some okie doke shots, and force the issue.

"Still I like what I see so far - we're 2-2, should be 3-1 and possibly even 4-0. Won the two we should win and hung tough against two of the better teams in the NBA. And that's with a spotty STAT, Gallo non-existent for the first 3 games and nothing outta Randolph so far..Safe to assume we'll get even better..Imagine when we start clicking.."

Q. franco12 - I didn't really watch pre season, but what happened to that Amare?

A. Regular season defensive intensity

Knicks have and will make adjustments. Often its what the defense gives you. Yes, they took away Amare and dared us to beat them with Gallo and our guards. They lost.

Bulls came roaring back as one might have thought. We prevailed even with the TO's.