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Knixkik
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11/3/2010  8:39 AM
What separates guys like Nicolas Batum and James Harden from Fields? It seems like people around the league now realize they were sleeping on Fields in terms of being a productive player, but now the excuse is limited upside due to lack of athletic ability and not having any specialties. I'm sure there are more examples, but i just wanted to mention players who aren't elite athletically, nor have any particular standout traits, but are viewed as future star caliber young players which a team like Denver would consider suitable as a prospect in a Melo deal. A player like Batum is essentially the same age as Fields, more NBA experience, similar game, and similar numbers, yet teams are calling left and right about him. Both players are also similar size and capable of playing both wing positions. What am i missing? What are the primary reasons these players have more upside than Fields?
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11/3/2010  8:58 AM
Im not trying to dog fields, but if he wants to earn the respect of people around the league hes going to need to keep it up for more than three games. If at the ed of the season hes still starting, putting up around 14-8 with good defense, and the knicks have a decent season, you better believe that he will be viewed around the league as a great prospect.
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11/3/2010  9:33 AM
Fields has to basically carry around the second round stigma. He should have been drafted first round, since he wasn't he is considered a second rounder and that in itself is a held against him by the NBA. Which by the way is BS because scouts have to justify why they dropped the ball on him, so to make sure they don't get called out on him they down grade him in every which way possible.
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11/3/2010  9:45 AM
I just hope Landry Fields is not overhyped and ruined by the same here who overrated Danilo Gallinari and Anthony Randolph.
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11/3/2010  10:15 AM
iSergio wrote:I just hope Landry Fields is not overhyped and ruined by the same here who overrated Danilo Gallinari and Anthony Randolph.

nobody has ever overhyped those guys. Its you. The conversation is usually something like this:
Sergio: Gallo and AR are garbage

UK: No.. they have shown some pretty high upside, have skills, etc.. need time to develop

Sergio:they suck, stop overhyping them

UK:


Anyway... onto Fields:

Fields was a 6'7 power forward on a PAC10 team that had a losing record. Guys like that are not high on the NBA scouts radar. I wonder if scouts watched that team at all. What you see is a guy who gets a lot of points and rebounds, but hey someone has to.

I believe Fields played very well at Potsmouth invitational, and probably very well during workouts.

The question is was Fields a very good basketball player, or a guy who put up great numbers on a really bad team.

Also going from an NCAA powerforward to an NBA wing player is a leap of leaps.

Way its looking is that Fields is just a really good fundamental basketball player who understands the game. He's certainly NOT slow or unathletic. The Knicks obviously liked some things they saw and just figured this guy is a good player and you can always find a role for good players.

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11/3/2010  10:42 AM
That's not how the conversations went. Some of you called Danilo Gallinari the next Dirk Nowitzki and Larry Bird and would ONLY trade him for Kevin Durant. I complained about how ridiculous and crazy this was and was called a negative and a hater. And the overhyping of Anthony Randolph was worse. Some of you made it very difficult to root and like these two. And their play so far this year has not helped.

Please don't do the same with Landry Fields.
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11/3/2010  11:09 AM
well it is still early. Just 3 games, but what I usually find is that people are so caught up with age.. you can only have upside if you are 19... If you go to college and spend 4 years playing ball there, doing well, then you have no upside... that seems to be case with many.. go figure...
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11/3/2010  11:15 AM
iSergio wrote:That's not how the conversations went. Some of you called Danilo Gallinari the next Dirk Nowitzki and Larry Bird and would ONLY trade him for Kevin Durant. I complained about how ridiculous and crazy this was and was called a negative and a hater. And the overhyping of Anthony Randolph was worse. Some of you made it very difficult to root and like these two. And their play so far this year has not helped.

Please don't do the same with Landry Fields.

So how you root for players on your purported favorite team is decided based on what you read about them here? You need help.

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11/3/2010  11:31 AM
Why do people keep saying Landry is not a good athlete. He's a really good athlete and actually preet explosive off one leg.

Isergio: there have definitely been a few people that have overhyped these guys. That being said the vast majority on this site have been very reasonable. They see two guys with potential who they are rooting for, but know they are both really young, need to grow and may never meet that potential. But just because a guy may never meet his potentail doesn't mean as a fan you get down in the dumps and scream about how bad they are. No need for the overdramatics on your part.

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11/3/2010  11:34 AM
loweyecue wrote:
iSergio wrote:That's not how the conversations went. Some of you called Danilo Gallinari the next Dirk Nowitzki and Larry Bird and would ONLY trade him for Kevin Durant. I complained about how ridiculous and crazy this was and was called a negative and a hater. And the overhyping of Anthony Randolph was worse. Some of you made it very difficult to root and like these two. And their play so far this year has not helped.

Please don't do the same with Landry Fields.

So how you root for players on your purported favorite team is decided based on what you read about them here? You need help.

Yeah I'm not sure I remotely understand your logic on this one. So a player is on your favorite team. Some people think that player is going to be great. You don't. So your solution to that is to root against the player on your favorite team? You have to give further explanation on this one

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11/3/2010  11:40 AM
Knixkik wrote:What separates guys like Nicolas Batum and James Harden from Fields?

Batum is a much better athlete. Harden can score in many more ways.

Feilds is scoring off cuts to the basket where the defense isn't paying attention, or on jumpshots.

lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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11/3/2010  11:40 AM
I don't root against any player on the Knicks. Well, except for Eddy Curry.

Anyway, if a player is overhyped to a point where it becomes ridiculous like it did with Danilo Gallinari, I cannot help but start to dislike him. I don't root against Gallo, I just don't like his game.
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11/3/2010  11:42 AM
kam77 wrote:
Knixkik wrote:What separates guys like Nicolas Batum and James Harden from Fields?

Batum is a much better athlete. Harden can score in many more ways.

Feilds is scoring off cuts to the basket where the defense isn't paying attention, or on jumpshots.

i havent seen Harden play much, how is he scoring in many more ways?

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11/3/2010  11:43 AM
Bippity10 wrote:
loweyecue wrote:
iSergio wrote:That's not how the conversations went. Some of you called Danilo Gallinari the next Dirk Nowitzki and Larry Bird and would ONLY trade him for Kevin Durant. I complained about how ridiculous and crazy this was and was called a negative and a hater. And the overhyping of Anthony Randolph was worse. Some of you made it very difficult to root and like these two. And their play so far this year has not helped.

Please don't do the same with Landry Fields.

So how you root for players on your purported favorite team is decided based on what you read about them here? You need help.

Yeah I'm not sure I remotely understand your logic on this one. So a player is on your favorite team. Some people think that player is going to be great. You don't. So your solution to that is to root against the player on your favorite team? You have to give further explanation on this one

I gotta agree with Sergio. The fanboy-ism around AR was off the charts. People are saying they'd never trade some marginal player for an All-Star.... this stuff is just tough to swallow.

lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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11/3/2010  11:48 AM
Not just UK, all Knick fan forums are the same with the expectations we have for our players. They are always out of line. I remember some saying they'd never trade Balkman for Artest because Balkman was going to be just as good.

David Lee was a good player that got way overhyped, and then people had to start calling him Avi Lee so others would realize he aint Jesus Christ. It became about how David Lee was a better value than Chris Bosh or Amare Stoudamire.

We ALWAYS overhype our own guys.

Landry Fields, come on down.

I wanna like Landry. Don't make me into a guy who is always pointing out his flaws because the rest of you are singing his praises a little too loudly for what he is worth.

lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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11/3/2010  11:50 AM
iSergio wrote:I don't root against any player on the Knicks. Well, except for Eddy Curry.

Anyway, if a player is overhyped to a point where it becomes ridiculous like it did with Danilo Gallinari, I cannot help but start to dislike him. I don't root against Gallo, I just don't like his game.

So you can't form your own opinion? You base your feelings about a player on what others feel? Personally if a guy works hard and tries to get the most out of his ability for my beloved knicks then I am a fan. I could care less how isergio or nixluva or fishmike or anyone else thinks about him. Your logic is beyond my comprehension. Does this mean if 20% of the people on this site were convinced that Patrick Ewing was the NBA's greatest player then you would hate him too? Help me to understand.

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11/3/2010  11:52 AM
martin wrote:
kam77 wrote:
Knixkik wrote:What separates guys like Nicolas Batum and James Harden from Fields?

Batum is a much better athlete. Harden can score in many more ways.

Feilds is scoring off cuts to the basket where the defense isn't paying attention, or on jumpshots.

i havent seen Harden play much, how is he scoring in many more ways?

Harden does it all. Watch him play and compare to how Fields scores. Fields is the 5th option. Defenses know Harden can shoot and score. Defenses cheat off of Landry fields to cover Amare on the pick and roll.

lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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11/3/2010  11:55 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/3/2010  11:58 AM
Bippity10 wrote:
iSergio wrote:I don't root against any player on the Knicks. Well, except for Eddy Curry.

Anyway, if a player is overhyped to a point where it becomes ridiculous like it did with Danilo Gallinari, I cannot help but start to dislike him. I don't root against Gallo, I just don't like his game.

So you can't form your own opinion? You base your feelings about a player on what others feel? Personally if a guy works hard and tries to get the most out of his ability for my beloved knicks then I am a fan. I could care less how isergio or nixluva or fishmike or anyone else thinks about him. Your logic is beyond my comprehension. Does this mean if 20% of the people on this site were convinced that Patrick Ewing was the NBA's greatest player then you would hate him too? Help me to understand.

No idea where you're going with this. It's been pretty clear I like Amar'e Stoudemire, Raymond Felton, Landry Fields, Timofey Mozgov and Wilson Chandler and it has nothing to do with you all think. Just like my opinion of Danilo Gallinari and Anthony Randolph has nothing to do with what you all think. I liked Nate Robinson and the majority here hated him. I hated David Lee and the majority here loved him.

And I do form my own opinion. I told you all Gallo was just a spot-up shooter and an overrated mediocre player since I've been here and he's been sadly proving me right. I didn't eat up any of the ridiculous and overhyped nonsense that was posted here over the summer.
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11/3/2010  11:56 AM
Kam77 and isergio you guys are way overdramatic. I 100% agree with you that what you write is true. But none of what you say is even close to the prevailing opinion. If it was id be right there with you. But the vast majority of the guys I've spoken with on this site would trade anyone on this roster for the right deal. Who are you speaking with?

Maybe the solution for you guys is to conclude that everyone here is nuts and maybe try another messageboard with more intelligent fans

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11/3/2010  11:56 AM
Bippity10 wrote:
iSergio wrote:I don't root against any player on the Knicks. Well, except for Eddy Curry.

Anyway, if a player is overhyped to a point where it becomes ridiculous like it did with Danilo Gallinari, I cannot help but start to dislike him. I don't root against Gallo, I just don't like his game.

So you can't form your own opinion? You base your feelings about a player on what others feel? Personally if a guy works hard and tries to get the most out of his ability for my beloved knicks then I am a fan. I could care less how isergio or nixluva or fishmike or anyone else thinks about him. Your logic is beyond my comprehension. Does this mean if 20% of the people on this site were convinced that Patrick Ewing was the NBA's greatest player then you would hate him too? Help me to understand.

Because if he says something true about Gallo that isn't a compliment, people will call him a hater. So he goes from a guy who thinks Gallo is OK to now being a guy who has to point out how Gallo is not as good as you think he is. And then you say ... "Gee he hates Gallo" when in reality.. he doen't hate him... he just doesn't like him as much as some others.

You guys like to make fun of Misterearl or Nixluva for being undyingly positive all the time. But you act like miniearls when someone points out something you don't wanna read/see/hear.

lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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