jusnice wrote:I have Randolph in fantasy and heard MDA in an interview with Michael Kay last week. MDA didn't even mention him. When pressed, MDA said that he had a 9 man rotation. Randolph's name wasn't even mentioned in that rotation. Does Randolph have a chance to get meaningful PT or should I cut bait? MDA and his lineups are going to kill me!!!

if he is healthy, he will get minutes. I would say that just like Gallo and Moz, if those are effective minutes, he will get a lot of them, if not, he will sit.

OjilEye wrote:

jimimou wrote:"Somewhere, somehow, I've got to play him," D'Antoni said. "We'll figure it out. It's something I've got to look at and see how I can get him in there because I do want to get him in there."

Is D'Antoni this clueless on everything? Somewhere, somehow I've got to play him?

Makes me wonder if Pringles always has set agendas (i.e. Must give my veterans minutes. Must always let players come to me first if they have an issue with PT. Must score buckets in 7 seconds or less. Must do any means necessary to accomplish these things.) It's this kind of mentality that can screw up a team with as much upside, flexibility, and adaptability that our roster gives us.

and don't get me wrong, I'm not getting this all from this ONE quote but it only reinforces the idea that he can be short-sighted

i would hope for the sake of the knicks he is not that immature. imho, i think he has alot of moving parts and doesnt know yet how to get the right mix to make his team better. at then end of the day, he doesnt have alot to work with yet. all the players, sans felton and amare, are not glued into a role yet and have not shown anything consistent to merit consistent playing time. you can make an additional case for fields and chandler but that's about it. too many question marks still.

i think d'antoni was hoping big time to land lebron to make his job real easy this year, coast to the playoffs and add a cp3 or melo type to complete his run at a championship. but since that was not the case, he now needs to play the role of real coach and make the parts available fit.

i am not convinced yet he can do this.

martin wrote:

OjilEye wrote:

jimimou wrote:"Somewhere, somehow, I've got to play him," D'Antoni said. "We'll figure it out. It's something I've got to look at and see how I can get him in there because I do want to get him in there."

Is D'Antoni this clueless on everything? Somewhere, somehow I've got to play him?

Makes me wonder if Pringles always has set agendas (i.e. Must give my veterans minutes. Must always let players come to me first if they have an issue with PT. Must score buckets in 7 seconds or less. Must do any means necessary to accomplish these things.) It's this kind of mentality that can screw up a team with as much upside, flexibility, and adaptability that our roster gives us.

and don't get me wrong, I'm not getting this all from this ONE quote but it only reinforces the idea that he can be short-sighted

The quote was probably in response to a question about AR and was he going to play him.

What did you expect to hear? An exact number of minutes?

I would expect to hear more confidence from an ex-Coach of the Year who's supposed to lead this team back into a serious playoff hunt, who no longer has any excuses under his belt about why his team isn't at or above .500.

I would expect him to say we have a set plan in place for AR, and that we knew the timetable on the return of his injury and so we're prepared to have him run with the second unit when we need more energy, etc. Not "we'll figure it out" and "it's something I've got to look at".

martin wrote:

OjilEye wrote:

martin wrote:

OjilEye wrote:

jimimou wrote:"Somewhere, somehow, I've got to play him," D'Antoni said. "We'll figure it out. It's something I've got to look at and see how I can get him in there because I do want to get him in there."

Is D'Antoni this clueless on everything? Somewhere, somehow I've got to play him?

Makes me wonder if Pringles always has set agendas (i.e. Must give my veterans minutes. Must always let players come to me first if they have an issue with PT. Must score buckets in 7 seconds or less. Must do any means necessary to accomplish these things.) It's this kind of mentality that can screw up a team with as much upside, flexibility, and adaptability that our roster gives us.

and don't get me wrong, I'm not getting this all from this ONE quote but it only reinforces the idea that he can be short-sighted

The quote was probably in response to a question about AR and was he going to play him.

What did you expect to hear? An exact number of minutes?

I would expect to hear more confidence from an ex-Coach of the Year who's supposed to lead this team back into a serious playoff hunt, who no longer has any excuses under his belt about why his team isn't at or above .500.

I would expect him to say we have a set plan in place for AR, and that we knew the timetable on the return of his injury and so we're prepared to have him run with the second unit when we need more energy, etc. Not "we'll figure it out" and "it's something I've got to look at".

I guess if you are trying to micro-manage every quote out of MDA, you should prob stop paying attention.

Who's micro-managing? I think the coach has not made strong game-time preparations and hasn't proven himself thus far with his time with the Knicks, and like I wrote earlier, this one quote hasn't led me to this conclusion.

nixluva wrote:Mike has success with players like Diaw and Fields that understand the game and can execute what he coaches. I'm struck by just how little regard there is for Mke's Coaching ability. This guy is being conservative in his statements but he knows what he's doing and what AR can give at his point. He sees this kid for hours at a time in practice, but dealing with players when they lack confidence is the toughest job a coach has. We may want coach to sit a guy in favor of someone else but he's got to be careful not to lose a guy he may need later on. At the same time he doesn't want to hurt the team by playing a guy who isn't getting it done.

We've only got one binaries All Star so it makes rotation decisions tough.

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:Mike has success with players like Diaw and Fields that understand the game and can execute what he coaches. I'm struck by just how little regard there is for Mke's Coaching ability. This guy is being conservative in his statements but he knows what he's doing and what AR can give at his point. He sees this kid for hours at a time in practice, but dealing with players when they lack confidence is the toughest job a coach has. We may want coach to sit a guy in favor of someone else but he's got to be careful not to lose a guy he may need later on. At the same time he doesn't want to hurt the team by playing a guy who isn't getting it done.

We've only got one binaries All Star so it makes rotation decisions tough.

Diaw was in his third year in the league and he got the chance to play with Nash. I think those two things can't be discounted when looking at his success when he was traded to Phoenix. As far as Fields is concerned he really hasn't had a long run with D'Antoni so other than making the decision to play him as a rookie starter I am not sure how much credit D'Antoni should get for his development. I do think Walsh recognized that his coach has not done well with young players that needed more coaching, mentoring and building up and drafted accordingly. Remember Fields is a year older than Randolph and was a 4 year player in college. Rautins is 24.

With regard to Diaw just what had he done before Mike got him and gave him a role that he fit perfectly? Also what does Nash have to do with Diaw getting assists, rebs, stls and playing defense at C? Give the coach some damn credit.

YR	TM	G	GS	MIN	FG	 FG%	3P	3P%	STL	BLK	TO	REB	AST	PTS
03-04	ATL	76	37	25.3	1.8-4.1	 0.447	0.1-0.3	0.231	0.80	0.50	1.7	4.5	2.4	4.5
04-05	ATL	66	25	18.2	1.9-4.5	 0.422	0.1-0.8	0.180	0.60	0.30	1.3	2.6	2.3	4.8
05-06	PHO	81	70	35.5	5.5-10.5 0.526	0.1-0.4	0.267	0.70	1.00	4.9	6.9	6.2	13.3

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:Mike has success with players like Diaw and Fields that understand the game and can execute what he coaches. I'm struck by just how little regard there is for Mke's Coaching ability. This guy is being conservative in his statements but he knows what he's doing and what AR can give at his point. He sees this kid for hours at a time in practice, but dealing with players when they lack confidence is the toughest job a coach has. We may want coach to sit a guy in favor of someone else but he's got to be careful not to lose a guy he may need later on. At the same time he doesn't want to hurt the team by playing a guy who isn't getting it done.

We've only got one binaries All Star so it makes rotation decisions tough.

Diaw was in his third year in the league and he got the chance to play with Nash. I think those two things can't be discounted when looking at his success when he was traded to Phoenix. As far as Fields is concerned he really hasn't had a long run with D'Antoni so other than making the decision to play him as a rookie starter I am not sure how much credit D'Antoni should get for his development. I do think Walsh recognized that his coach has not done well with young players that needed more coaching, mentoring and building up and drafted accordingly. Remember Fields is a year older than Randolph and was a 4 year player in college. Rautins is 24.

So why did Walsh bring in AR? AR is as far from a finished product as you can probably get and Mike and his staff are gonna have to develop him. What about Timo? You see i'm really tired of this crap that you keep pushing about Mike as if he's this weak minded guy that can't handle any kind of challenge. The guys entire career suggests otherwise. You want to hold him having Nash against him when guys like Phil and Pat Riley had even more stacked decks than Mike and his flawed PHX teams.

With regard to Diaw just what had he done before Mike got him and gave him a role that he fit perfectly? Also what does Nash have to do with Diaw getting assists, rebs, stls and playing defense at C? Give the coach some damn credit.

YR	TM	G	GS	MIN	FG	 FG%	3P	3P%	STL	BLK	TO	REB	AST	PTS
03-04	ATL	76	37	25.3	1.8-4.1	 0.447	0.1-0.3	0.231	0.80	0.50	1.7	4.5	2.4	4.5
04-05	ATL	66	25	18.2	1.9-4.5	 0.422	0.1-0.8	0.180	0.60	0.30	1.3	2.6	2.3	4.8
05-06	PHO	81	70	35.5	5.5-10.5 0.526	0.1-0.4	0.267	0.70	1.00	4.9	6.9	6.2	13.3

Walsh brought in Randolph because he was able to get him in a sign and trade and he liked him as a player. He has brought in other guys that he liked and that he thought would develop and fill a need for the team that D'Antoni had no use for so this is not something new. As far as D'Antoni handling challenges, he hasn't in NY and his success is directly linked to having a hof, mvp point guard. The rest of his tenure in the league has been far from successful. Pat Riley and Phil Jackson have both won multiple championships and been successful with different teams players and in Riley's case playing styles. D'Antoni is not in their league and should not be compared to them. In regards to D'Antoni's career I am only going to focus on his tenure in the NBA. He has had four very successful years when he was paired with Nash and four very unsuccessful years when he wins at a rate around 30%. Just facts and numbers. Not sure why you dispute what he has done in NY and what he has not been able to accomplish over the 4 years he did not have Nash as his point guard. His first two years in NY were a disaster. He needs to change to be successful and in the past he has always been too rigid to do this.

You mean previous to this year Walsh has traded for guys that he liked and MDA couldn't develop? How do you say that without laughing.

Up until this year just about all of the guys Walsh brought in were for shorter contracts and to get under the cap for 2010 so he could start rebuilding. This is the first year he has brought in guys that are here for the future (and to develop).

loweyecue wrote:

jimimou wrote:

OjilEye wrote:

jimimou wrote:"Somewhere, somehow, I've got to play him," D'Antoni said. "We'll figure it out. It's something I've got to look at and see how I can get him in there because I do want to get him in there."

Is D'Antoni this clueless on everything? Somewhere, somehow I've got to play him?

Makes me wonder if Pringles always has set agendas (i.e. Must give my veterans minutes. Must always let players come to me first if they have an issue with PT. Must score buckets in 7 seconds or less. Must do any means necessary to accomplish these things.) It's this kind of mentality that can screw up a team with as much upside, flexibility, and adaptability that our roster gives us.

and don't get me wrong, I'm not getting this all from this ONE quote but it only reinforces the idea that he can be short-sighted

i would hope for the sake of the knicks he is not that immature. imho, i think he has alot of moving parts and doesnt know yet how to get the right mix to make his team better. at then end of the day, he doesnt have alot to work with yet. all the players, sans felton and amare, are not glued into a role yet and have not shown anything consistent to merit consistent playing time. you can make an additional case for fields and chandler but that's about it. too many question marks still.

i think d'antoni was hoping big time to land lebron to make his job real easy this year, coast to the playoffs and add a cp3 or melo type to complete his run at a championship. but since that was not the case, he now needs to play the role of real coach and make the parts available fit.

i am not convinced yet he can do this.

Why can't he be taken at face value? He has a completely new roster do you expect him to have a defined rotation already? He is going to have to experiment and get the right mix and he will "somehow" find time for AR in that mix. DOH.

not sure what your post means - my post was about what I believe he is going through, nothing about face value, nothing about having a defined roster yet, more about him trying to see what he has to work with and how that will translate into wins for him.