Al would be Restricted.

I would think ATL would match.

Its not all about the knicks every time.

We got a pretty good power forward already.

If Melo is gonna get max, and wants Knicks, and we have it, then why look elsewhere?

Why blow your wad now?

Over pay for Melo and we are still not elite.

Nalod wrote:

Al would be Restricted.

I would think ATL would match.

Its not all about the knicks every time.

We got a pretty good power forward already.

If Melo is gonna get max, and wants Knicks, and we have it, then why look elsewhere?

Why blow your wad now?

Over pay for Melo and we are still not elite.

Less Free Agents means the price on the remaining ones go up. You want to Marc Gasol close to the MAX?

martin wrote:

TMS wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

Hawks Horford tells Y!: "I'm very happy we got the extension done and I'm going to keep working hard and doing whatever it takes to win."

Source: http://twitter.com/SpearsNBAYahoo

Carmelo or nothing come 2011.

This also keep Atlanta relevant for the foreseeable future.

unless the Knicks are arrogant enough to think they're the only team that will be bidding on Melo in free agency this summer, they better try & work out a trade before the summer hits... the list of good players that will be available is getting slimmer by the day.

what's the landscape on how many teams have deep salary cap room for next year (or close enough to it) that would also attract Melo?

the Rockets will have tons of cap space & a very nice situation for Melo to play in next to Yao, Scola, Martin & Brooks.... they also have tons of good young talent & draft picks in the years ahead to work out a deal in a sign & trade... NJ is another potential big contender for Melo this summer with the cap space to sign him to the max along with a very talented young roster for him to play with or work out a trade with the Nuggets, as well as the NY big market & location to appease his wife's career... Oklahoma City is not a big market but they can offer Melo a chance to play with Durant & Westbrook & a chance to form their own big 3 out there, & they will have the cap space to offer him a contract.

Sacramento, Indiana, Memphis, Minnesota, are other teams that will have cap space to be a player but not the market, & then there are teams like the Phoenix Suns, Washington Wizards & a few others that are just a minor cap clearing move away from being serious contenders themselves in the Melo sweepstakes this summer.

if we're gonna sit here & assume Melo's coming here, we're just setting ourselves up for a huge letdown just like we did with Lebron/Wade/Bosh this past summer... you have to eliminate the variables & go out & get talent like Melo when it becomes available.

martin wrote:

TMS wrote:

martin wrote:

TMS wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

Hawks Horford tells Y!: "I'm very happy we got the extension done and I'm going to keep working hard and doing whatever it takes to win."

Source: http://twitter.com/SpearsNBAYahoo

Carmelo or nothing come 2011.

This also keep Atlanta relevant for the foreseeable future.

unless the Knicks are arrogant enough to think they're the only team that will be bidding on Melo in free agency this summer, they better try & work out a trade before the summer hits... the list of good players that will be available is getting slimmer by the day.

what's the landscape on how many teams have deep salary cap room for next year (or close enough to it) that would also attract Melo?

the Rockets will have tons of cap space & a very nice situation for Melo to play in next to Yao, Scola, Martin & Brooks.... they also have tons of good young talent & draft picks in the years ahead to work out a deal in a sign & trade... NJ is another potential big contender for Melo this summer with the cap space to sign him to the max along with a very talented young roster for him to play with or work out a trade with the Nuggets, as well as the NY big market & location to appease his wife's career... Oklahoma City is not a big market but they can offer Melo a chance to play with Durant & Westbrook & a chance to form their own big 3 out there, & they will have the cap space to offer him a contract.

Sacramento, Indiana, Memphis, Minnesota, are other teams that will have cap space to be a player but not the market, & then there are teams like the Phoenix Suns, Washington Wizards & a few others that are just a minor cap clearing move away from being serious contenders themselves in the Melo sweepstakes this summer.

if we're gonna sit here & assume Melo's coming here, we're just setting ourselves up for a huge letdown just like we did with Lebron/Wade/Bosh this past summer... you have to eliminate the variables & go out & get talent like Melo when it becomes available.

not at all convinced that any of those teams has any real edge over the Knicks. for various reasons of cap space, fit, market, etc.

Houston doesn't really have cap space once they resign Yao and NJ doesn't have the building blocks and/or cap space in 2012 to pick up another piece.

If I am Knicks GM I wait.

i heard the same stuff about how we had the advantage over other markets during the Lebron summer... don't assume, because we all know what happens when we do that, we learned it pretty well this summer.

as for NJ not having the building blocks or cap space in 2012 to pick up another piece, they already have lots of very good young talent in Lopez, Harris, Favors, Outlaw, Morrow, T Will, Farmar, Petro & Damion James... overall i'd say that group of youth is every bit as good if not better than ours of Gallo, AR, Wilson, Fields, Douglas, Mozgov, Walker & Rautins... also remember that Wilson will probably have to be renounced or traded without taking on any salary in order to clear enough cap room to offer Melo a contract to begin with... they also have ownership of their 1st round picks for the next 2 years, we don't... we gave away swap rights for our 2011 pick to Houston along w/our 2012 pick outright protected to 5... they also have about $22M in expiring contracts to use at the trade deadline this year to offer Denver if they want to dump more payroll.

the Knicks won't have any cap space in 2012 either if we pick up Melo btw, so the only way either franchise will improve from there on out is via trade or by using the MLE... & while it's true that we have Amare, we will also have to let Wilson go & will likely end up with Houston's 1st rounder in 2011 & none in 2012.

If I am Knicks GM I make a move now if there's an offer that doesn't completely strip bear my entire roster for Melo & not take any chances of losing out to other teams & get played like we did last summer... if i can keep one of at least Gallo, AR or Wilson while still landing Melo now, i make the move.

There are also cap constraints to deal with here. The max salary for a player doesn't change just because there are fewer free agents in the pool.

knickstorrents wrote:The whole 'there are now fewer free agents so the remaining value of the free agents goes up' makes zero sense. Does Carmelo become a better player if he's the only free agent available?

There are also cap constraints to deal with here. The max salary for a player doesn't change just because there are fewer free agents in the pool.

it makes every bit of sense... supply & demand, it's a fundamental concept that determines value... there will be several teams looking to upgrade their rosters this summer... the less supply of good players that are available means that every team will be focusing in on the remaining talent pool & will inevitably be offering up assets to trade for them... to think we can just sit tight & Melo will sign here by default is foolishness... unless we're willing to pony up & be a player in possible trade scenarios, then you can't simply assume & expect to be able to land him.

Andrew wrote:

TMS wrote:

Andrew wrote:How did you come up with the $22M in expiring from the Nets? I must be missing something.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_jersey.htm

i said about $22M... their expiring contracts this year add up to maybe $1M less, give or take... not a big deal.

Not a big deal but I think the numbers add up to ~18.6M. Remember not to count players that were waived and not on the roster.

if i got the numbers wrong my apologies... i didn't bother to check which players were waived... still, $18.6M in expiring contracts is a significant figure... the Knicks have about the same in their expirings this year... the point is, the Nets do in fact have a lot to offer another team that's willing to deal.

Andrew wrote:

TMS wrote:

Andrew wrote:

TMS wrote:

Andrew wrote:How did you come up with the $22M in expiring from the Nets? I must be missing something.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_jersey.htm

i said about $22M... their expiring contracts this year add up to maybe $1M less, give or take... not a big deal.

Not a big deal but I think the numbers add up to ~18.6M. Remember not to count players that were waived and not on the roster.

if i got the numbers wrong my apologies... i didn't bother to check which players were waived... still, $18.6M in expiring contracts is a significant figure... the Knicks have about the same in their expirings this year... the point is, the Nets do in fact have a lot to offer another team that's willing to deal.

I think the point you make (Nets having assets > Knicks) is a good one for the Knicks to sit tight and wait. If you take the position that the Nets have more attractive assets and more attractive talent to compliment Melo, it doesn't seem like the Knicks can win a trade bargaining war. The only way Denver agrees to trade with the Knicks and take less is because Melo only wants to goto the Knicks (refuses an extension otherwise). Which begs the question, if Melo only wants the Knicks, why not wait?

the Nets aren't willing to give up Lopez in any deal for Melo, so that evens the playing field quite a bit... the Nuggets will want to get back something in exchange for Melo, they're not going to just let him walk for nothing this summer... if we wait, we risk losing out on getting 1 of the top 3 scorers in the league... all because we weren't willing to give up untouchable franchise talent like AR, Gallo or whoever else? let's be real... none of those guys are likely to make as much of an impact on this team as Melo would... i'm not saying it's impossible, but it's not likely... we already know what type of player Melo is, he's a scoring machine... put him next to Amare with at least an average to above average PG like Ray Felton & a few role players, & you have a team that can contend in the EC... right now our roster is very average & i don't think much will change unless a major acquisition is made... i say we take control of our own destiny & not leave things up to fate like we did last summer... no more rolling the dice on completely unknown outcomes... if we can make a trade to get Melo now, i say go for it... enough w/the waiting.

itchetrigr wrote:

TMS wrote:the Nets aren't willing to give up Lopez in any deal for Melo, so that evens the playing field quite a bit... the Nuggets will want to get back something in exchange for Melo, they're not going to just let him walk for nothing this summer... if we wait, we risk losing out on getting 1 of the top 3 scorers in the league... all because we weren't willing to give up untouchable franchise talent like AR, Gallo or whoever else? let's be real... none of those guys are likely to make as much of an impact on this team as Melo would... i'm not saying it's impossible, but it's not likely... we already know what type of player Melo is, he's a scoring machine... put him next to Amare with at least an average to above average PG like Ray Felton & a few role players, & you have a team that can contend in the EC... right now our roster is very average & i don't think much will change unless a major acquisition is made... i say we take control of our own destiny & not leave things up to fate like we did last summer... no more rolling the dice on completely unknown outcomes... if we can make a trade to get Melo now, i say go for it... enough w/the waiting.

Im with that as well, but the problem is'nt on DW end, I think he's willing to make any deal revolving around two or three of AR\Chandler\Gallo\Douglas\Fields

It seems that Denver has no interest in what we have to offer, they want picks, and I think they want picks that will yield mid to late teens or earlier post Melo unless they are getting something really good back. I think they are waiting for teams to acquire picks or construct a multi team deal where Denver is getting picks from a lower end team.

I got my fingers crossed

i think their demands will go down as the deadline approaches... i can't see how they can risk losing Melo for nothing in return this summer & have their franchise left in the lurch the way Cleveland & Toronto was this past summer... Melo's even basically told them that he wants to be traded by not signing that max extension they offered him.

i think a 3 way deal will be worked out by DW at the deadline personally... at least i hope that is the case... this team is not gonna go anywhere as presently constructed IMO.