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BRIGGS
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10/31/2010  4:34 PM
that have been very poor. Gallinari Mason and yes Mosgov haven't been holding their weight. For this team to be good--we need to get more out of those 36 minutes. You can see why I thought we might win 50 games based on what we had + the output of Gallo and Randolph. Landry Fields not Mosgov has been the surprise player and because of his rebounding smart play on both ends--I cannot see how we cant give him 27/30 minutes--I think anyone would agree he has earned them. If Gallo was giving me what I thought he could/can do--at the end of last season-- 20-5-4 and randolph was giving me 11-6-2--only numbers they had out up before--we are 3-0 right now. If they feel that Gallo and Randolph are not fits here--I suggest looking at some other players on other teams--suggesting like Thad Young for Gallinari or a JJ Hickson for Randolph
-guys that may be better fits for this team and perhaps better fits for our players going to other teams.
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10/31/2010  4:42 PM
I think Gallo is hurt- no?
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10/31/2010  5:24 PM
franco12 wrote:I think Gallo is hurt- no?

AR is hurt and thus not playing. Gallo just has amnesia.

Had enough Melo?
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10/31/2010  9:07 PM
"Gallinari Mason and yes Mosgov haven't been holding their weight. For this team to be good--we need to get more out of those 36 minutes."

Mosgov has a number of important attributes. He is a 7'1" player that can run, shoot, pass and block shots. If you watch the games you can see him calling for the ball, but rarely getting it. He also has a great deal of trouble figuring out what fouls the referees will call, and what things he can get away with. Mosgov has huge upside, and is most definitely worth educating about how to best play in the NBA. We need to continue giving him significant minutes so he can turn himself into a valuable NBA big man for the Knicks.

Gallinari is shooting badly as a result of his bad wrist. Unfortunately he cannot perform the volume of practice shooting that he has been accustomed to daily. Why would you make a decision about Gallinari future contributions without giving him a chance first to get healthier?

Knicks have decided Walker is the other shooting guard to get playing time, along with Toney Douglas, and Landry Fields. Mason seems to me to be a reserve going forward, so I don't think he will be providing any of those 36 minutes of bad basketball.

What have I misunderstood?

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10/31/2010  11:15 PM
If Gallo had been held out of the first three games to rest his wrist, you'd have to imagine we'd be 2-1
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11/1/2010  12:11 AM
Mason definitely needs to sit at the end of the bench. I like Walker, he's a good rebounder. Gallo has to see a shrink, he's got some mental issues. He is forcing things and trying to be the man, when he simply isn't there yet. The dude needs to smoke some weed and relax.
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11/1/2010  2:17 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/1/2010  2:20 AM
you wouldn't trade Gallo or AR for Melo but you're suggesting we trade Gallo for Thaddeus Young or AR for JJ Hickson... you seriously can't buy into half the stuff you put out on these forums.
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BRIGGS
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11/1/2010  7:23 AM
TMS wrote:you wouldn't trade Gallo or AR for Melo but you're suggesting we trade Gallo for Thaddeus Young or AR for JJ Hickson... you seriously can't buy into half the stuff you put out on these forums.

I'm not saying trade anyone. I want to keep my eye on *fit*. I think we could use a rugged athletic 4-5 who can actually play(I mean start 5 and have the ability to score 15-16 any given night) and perhaps a more athletic player than Gallinari to fit the team. Both of these players are on controlled contracts and just being used as examples IF things dont change 20 or so games in. Denver does not want to trade Melo--if they did he would be gone. If the trade deadline comes and goes--then we will have the option to get Melo for nothing--why pay for something you can get for free? The Knicks are close to being a good team---now if Denver asks for Chandler Fields Randolph and Gallo + a pick---that changes the team for what? Our best bet is to hope that Gallo and Randolph both *fit* and play like last year

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11/1/2010  8:37 AM
So you would trade Danilo Gallinari and Anthony Randolph for Thaddeus Young and JJ Hickson but wouldn't trade them for Carmelo Anthony?
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11/1/2010  9:25 AM
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11/1/2010  9:38 AM
BRIGGS wrote:I'm not saying trade anyone. I want to keep my eye on *fit*. I think we could use a rugged athletic 4-5 who can actually play(I mean start 5 and have the ability to score 15-16 any given night) and perhaps a more athletic player than Gallinari to fit the team. Both of these players are on controlled contracts and just being used as examples IF things dont change 20 or so games in. Denver does not want to trade Melo--if they did he would be gone. If the trade deadline comes and goes--then we will have the option to get Melo for nothing--why pay for something you can get for free? The Knicks are close to being a good team---now if Denver asks for Chandler Fields Randolph and Gallo + a pick---that changes the team for what? Our best bet is to hope that Gallo and Randolph both *fit* and play like last year

That actually makes sense....I think.....BRIGGS! I am with you on this one.

+ I like Thaddeus Young and he would thrive like nuts in Mike D'Antoni's system
+ I really really like JJ Hickson - He's like David Lee's twin!
+ I would like to dd to that list Mareese Speights. To my understanding his defense is not great, but he is very solid offensively from 12 feet in. Speights would clean up when teams double Amare Stoudemire, as would Hickson (Whom the Knicks cannot get for Randolph or Gallinari), as would Young.

oohah

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11/1/2010  9:42 AM
iSergio wrote:So you would trade Danilo Gallinari and Anthony Randolph for Thaddeus Young and JJ Hickson but wouldn't trade them for Carmelo Anthony?

I didnt say trade anyone(I think that these guys should be looked at for fit right now)--but I will reiterate--why would I give someone l penny for something I will get for free with patience? Only a scker will overpay for something he could get for nothing. If Denver did not take Derrick Favors Devin harris and two number 1's what the F do you think the Knicks have that Denver wants--what possible package could we have---you live in a fantasy world--it would either take the Knicks giving up 1/2 of the team --perhaps by trading for other picks young players--and then who even knows. Why exactly do I do this when i see a club that is a good team-that is close to being good---that has the cap room to take Melo for nothing next year. Your suggesting or assuming that Denver wants what we have--and obviously thats not true--I wouldnt trade the whole team for him before the season now or at the deadline---I will get him for FREE IF thats what we feel we need at the end of the year---like the players we need to keep our options open.

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BRIGGS
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11/1/2010  9:47 AM
oohah wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:I'm not saying trade anyone. I want to keep my eye on *fit*. I think we could use a rugged athletic 4-5 who can actually play(I mean start 5 and have the ability to score 15-16 any given night) and perhaps a more athletic player than Gallinari to fit the team. Both of these players are on controlled contracts and just being used as examples IF things dont change 20 or so games in. Denver does not want to trade Melo--if they did he would be gone. If the trade deadline comes and goes--then we will have the option to get Melo for nothing--why pay for something you can get for free? The Knicks are close to being a good team---now if Denver asks for Chandler Fields Randolph and Gallo + a pick---that changes the team for what? Our best bet is to hope that Gallo and Randolph both *fit* and play like last year

That actually makes sense....I think.....BRIGGS! I am with you on this one.

+ I like Thaddeus Young and he would thrive like nuts in Mike D'Antoni's system
+ I really really like JJ Hickson - He's like David Lee's twin!
+ I would like to dd to that list Mareese Speights. To my understanding his defense is not great, but he is very solid offensively from 12 feet in. Speights would clean up when teams double Amare Stoudemire, as would Hickson (Whom the Knicks cannot get for Randolph or Gallinari), as would Young.

oohah

Looks like Clev coach is not enamored with Hickson. Randolph dropped his own value(because his value was on par with Hickson) I don't know what they would want or if Management would even want to move him. I know Thorn liked Gallo and the team is rebuilding--I think philly would do a Thad Young for Gallo.

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11/1/2010  10:26 AM
knickstorrents wrote:Mason definitely needs to sit at the end of the bench. I like Walker, he's a good rebounder. Gallo has to see a shrink, he's got some mental issues. He is forcing things and trying to be the man, when he simply isn't there yet. The dude needs to smoke some weed and relax.

But that's exactly what everyone wants him to do. Force the issue when he is clearly not ready and mess up whatever confidence he had coming in. The same people go on and on about player development as well.

TKF on Melo ::....he is a punk, a jerk, a self absorbed out of shape, self aggrandizing, unprofessional, volume chucking coach killing playoff loser!!
oohah
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11/1/2010  10:44 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
Looks like Clev coach is not enamored with Hickson. Randolph dropped his own value(because his value was on par with Hickson) I don't know what they would want or if Management would even want to move him. I know Thorn liked Gallo and the team is rebuilding--I think philly would do a Thad Young for Gallo.

Well, considering Hickson is starting over Antawn Jamison I think Cleveland likes Hickson just fine.

I also think that Thorn's opinion of Gallinari was always overstated, and most likely currently diminishing.

oohah

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11/1/2010  4:07 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/1/2010  4:10 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
TMS wrote:you wouldn't trade Gallo or AR for Melo but you're suggesting we trade Gallo for Thaddeus Young or AR for JJ Hickson... you seriously can't buy into half the stuff you put out on these forums.

I'm not saying trade anyone. I want to keep my eye on *fit*. I think we could use a rugged athletic 4-5 who can actually play(I mean start 5 and have the ability to score 15-16 any given night) and perhaps a more athletic player than Gallinari to fit the team. Both of these players are on controlled contracts and just being used as examples IF things dont change 20 or so games in. Denver does not want to trade Melo--if they did he would be gone. If the trade deadline comes and goes--then we will have the option to get Melo for nothing--why pay for something you can get for free? The Knicks are close to being a good team---now if Denver asks for Chandler Fields Randolph and Gallo + a pick---that changes the team for what? Our best bet is to hope that Gallo and Randolph both *fit* and play like last year

sorry if i misinterpreted but these are your exact words:

If they feel that Gallo and Randolph are not fits here--I suggest looking at some other players on other teams--suggesting like Thad Young for Gallinari or a JJ Hickson for Randolph
-guys that may be better fits for this team and perhaps better fits for our players going to other teams.

you suggested Thad Young for Gallo or JJ Hickson for Randolph... those sure sound like a trade suggestions to me... you keep harping about you wouldn't give up every single young player on our roster to bring Melo here in a trade when you know you can get him for free as a free agent... where are you drawing these assumptions from? & how do you know Denver will accept nothing less than Chandler, Fields, AR, Gallo + a pick in a trade?

any team that trades for Melo will only do so if they know that Melo will sign a contract extension... that limits Denver's options to a certain degree there's no question, but to suggest that we're guaranteed of getting Melo for nothing in free agency is pure speculation with as much substance as the speculation that Lebron was going to sign here last summer.

replacing Gallo & AR with Thad Young & JJ Hickson won't make an ounce of difference to this team.

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