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Knixkik
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10/31/2010  11:57 AM
Is we would be 3-0 if we had that second star/scorer/closer on this team. Whether it was Joe Johnson because Atl didn't offer the crazy contract or Melo in the near future, when this team gets that player we will be very very good. Chandler is really proving a lot right now as a top 6th man in the league and this may be his role on contending team. Also, Gallo will figure it out. Maybe Gallo will play poorly enough so we don't lose him in a Melo deal. I still believe he will become a strong SG next to Melo because we will need a star shooter in the lineup.
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10/31/2010  1:40 PM
Knixkik wrote:Is we would be 3-0 if we had that second star/scorer/closer on this team.

You don't even have to go that far- we didn't even need a second star to win those games- all we needed was for some of our current players not to be stinking it up as badly as they did. Considering Gallo, Mason Jr and Mosgov aren't playing well (and I'm being polite when describing Gallo's and Mason Jr's with that term) AND that Randolph has been injured, then there's plenty of scope for improvement- if we can almost pull out wins against Boston and the Blazers without Gallo, Mosgov and AR, then we have a chance to make the playoffs if those players can get better. I'm hoping we see a different AR than the one we saw in pre-season. I'd also rather we just kept Gallo out of the line-up while his wrist heals- maybe give Shawne Williams a chance, as he could not be worse!
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10/31/2010  1:54 PM
I actually think Moz has been good. What he isn't doing is rebounding but he's been good on D. All the rest I agree with.
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10/31/2010  1:55 PM
We can only applaud the all out EFFORT that our guys are putting out.

We can only hope for improved chemistry on both the offense as well as the defensive ends.

Walker showed a little bit in the Portland game, but more is needed.

Mason continues to disappoint. Same for Gallo.

Shawn Williams might get a look, soon.

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10/31/2010  2:06 PM
nixluva wrote:I actually think Moz has been good. What he isn't doing is rebounding but he's been good on D. All the rest I agree with.

I agree but but Mosgov doesn't stay on the floor long enough to have any real impact

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10/31/2010  2:15 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
nixluva wrote:I actually think Moz has been good. What he isn't doing is rebounding but he's been good on D. All the rest I agree with.

I agree but but Mosgov doesn't stay on the floor long enough to have any real impact

IMO Moz has been making rapid progress in this short span of time. He actually had some great D on Aldridge last night. If he can just learn to go hard on the boards. He blocks out but doesn't go after the ball. He plays with so much energy on the offense and D but doesn't move for rebounds. It's a mental flaw he has to correct.
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10/31/2010  2:19 PM
You are what your record says you are.

This "we should be 3-0" talk doesn't do much for the Knicks or their fans.
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10/31/2010  2:48 PM
If gallo had upgraded his play to bad, instead of disgusting, we would be 3-0.... this knick team is very interesting..
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10/31/2010  4:54 PM
tkf wrote:If gallo had upgraded his play to bad, instead of disgusting, we would be 3-0.... this knick team is very interesting..

Exactly!- he's playing so badly that there is no point in making him play through this injury any more, it's just going to obliterate his confidence- just rest it for a bit and let it heal instead of prolonging the healing time by allowing him to embarrass himself on the court- honestly Shawne Williams could not play any any worse than him at this point. Let Gallo sit out and heal.

Yes, I was a bit harsh on Mosgov- but I think he can and will contribute a lot more, it'll just take him a little while. Anyways after the Orlando game (not looking forward to that one!) the schedule eases up competition wise, with games against Bulls (though they aren't a pushover even without Boozer), Wizards, sixers, Bucks (they've been disappointing so far- hopefully they won't have got it together by the time we play them), Warriors and Wolves. Although two of those are back to backs, they are all beatable teams- hope we make the most of the opportunity!
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10/31/2010  8:21 PM
tkf wrote:If gallo had upgraded his play to bad, instead of disgusting, we would be 3-0.... this knick team is very interesting..

This is very true, however we have received a pickup from Chandler, who is playing out of his mind compared to what our expectations of him are. If Gallo played better we would have won these games and will be a near 50 win team, but it's unlikely for Chandler to keep it up. Hopefully i'm wrong.
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10/31/2010  8:45 PM
smackeddog wrote:
tkf wrote:If gallo had upgraded his play to bad, instead of disgusting, we would be 3-0.... this knick team is very interesting..

Exactly!- he's playing so badly that there is no point in making him play through this injury any more, it's just going to obliterate his confidence- just rest it for a bit and let it heal instead of prolonging the healing time by allowing him to embarrass himself on the court- honestly Shawne Williams could not play any any worse than him at this point. Let Gallo sit out and heal...

That's not a bad idea. But some shooters heal more quickly when they see their shots falling in. Either way, we need a confident Gallo to win these games. I wonder if Gallo's game picks up will it adversely impact Wil's?
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Moonangie wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
tkf wrote:If gallo had upgraded his play to bad, instead of disgusting, we would be 3-0.... this knick team is very interesting..

Exactly!- he's playing so badly that there is no point in making him play through this injury any more, it's just going to obliterate his confidence- just rest it for a bit and let it heal instead of prolonging the healing time by allowing him to embarrass himself on the court- honestly Shawne Williams could not play any any worse than him at this point. Let Gallo sit out and heal...

That's not a bad idea. But some shooters heal more quickly when they see their shots falling in. Either way, we need a confident Gallo to win these games. I wonder if Gallo's game picks up will it adversely impact Wil's?

It might but it shouldn't. With gallos outside game and wilsons slashing style the should compliment each other. Plus they played a lot of minutes together last year and were both able to get their numbers. Its not a competition and both are team players so I think tehy can both thrive. Now, wilsons numbers may come down but his on court impact should not change. If Vinny Johnson can thrive with Isiah, Dumars, Aguirre and Laimbeer, then Wilson can thrive with Gallo

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11/1/2010  1:24 PM
Noting great, but there is good to this team.

The MDA era has produced few blow outs and the teams plays harder.

Games have been close.

Amare is not Kobe or Lebron and needs to be set up. Not a bad thing mind you, but if the yoots can step up a bit it would be better.

Wilson has been great, but it takes three to get it done.

Gallo needs to just be Gallo and it would help. Give us 15 and 6 is not out of his reach at all.

I like his post up move. I will like it when it works.

Trying counts, and the team is.
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11/1/2010  1:37 PM
Lost in all the comments I have seen so far is the fact that Portland and Boston have 2 very good defensive teams. Dirty or not. For all that they managed to lose both contests I am heartened by the effort and competitiveness displayed by the team in contests to date.

When the offense comes around....

Bill Simmons on Tyreke Evans "The prototypical 0-guard: Someone who handles the ball all the time, looks for his own shot, gets to the rim at will and operates best if his teammates spread the floor to watch him."
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11/1/2010  1:40 PM
Oh yeah ...and as for Mozgov. That's a d'Antoni thing he wants a fast pace and if Mozgov is picking up fouls it is counter productive in terms of the pace the coach wants. He is getting better though
Bill Simmons on Tyreke Evans "The prototypical 0-guard: Someone who handles the ball all the time, looks for his own shot, gets to the rim at will and operates best if his teammates spread the floor to watch him."
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11/1/2010  3:34 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
nixluva wrote:I actually think Moz has been good. What he isn't doing is rebounding but he's been good on D. All the rest I agree with.

I agree but but Mosgov doesn't stay on the floor long enough to have any real impact

I agree, I'd like to see him get some fourth quarter minutes. I think his energy and shot blocking could make a difference, has to
curb the fouls though.
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11/1/2010  4:19 PM
JrZyHuStLa wrote:You are what your record says you are.

This "we should be 3-0" talk doesn't do much for the Knicks or their fans.

1-3 + 2 moral victories = 3-0

After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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11/1/2010  5:09 PM
THIS ISN'T ABOUT MORAL VICTORIES! Man we need to be able to see beyond the W/L column at this point. Here are some things that I feel go unnoticed. For one thing, this idea that Mike has about playing D without committing needless fouls has a great side benefit. The team learns how to defend well while not sending teams to the line so much. It shows up in more fastbreaks and clean blocked shots. This team is doing well in the block dept. We lead the league in Blocks which I can't remember ever doing that at any point before.

Overall the rotation has worked well and could be better if not for Gallo's slump. The tweaks needed are few and very obvious. In the past we had so many issues it was impossible to narrow a solution down. Also despite the fear this team is at least working to improve the rebounding. We're actually 6th in rebounding.

Now I know that this an extremely small sample size and not much can be made conclusive, but the losses aren't telling the whole story. losing hard fought games to 2 of the best teams in the league that have been together for a few years now, is not a bad sign. Also of note is that this team will get more reinforcements soon!
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11/1/2010  5:26 PM
nixluva wrote:THIS ISN'T ABOUT MORAL VICTORIES! Man we need to be able to see beyond the W/L column at this point. Here are some things that I feel go unnoticed. For one thing, this idea that Mike has about playing D without committing needless fouls has a great side benefit. The team learns how to defend well while not sending teams to the line so much. It shows up in more fastbreaks and clean blocked shots. This team is doing well in the block dept. We lead the league in Blocks which I can't remember ever doing that at any point before.

Overall the rotation has worked well and could be better if not for Gallo's slump. The tweaks needed are few and very obvious. In the past we had so many issues it was impossible to narrow a solution down. Also despite the fear this team is at least working to improve the rebounding. We're actually 6th in rebounding.

Now I know that this an extremely small sample size and not much can be made conclusive, but the losses aren't telling the whole story. losing hard fought games to 2 of the best teams in the league that have been together for a few years now, is not a bad sign. Also of note is that this team will get more reinforcements soon!

No we don't. It's about wins and losses now.

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11/1/2010  5:32 PM
nixluva wrote:losing hard fought games to 2 of the best teams in the league that have been together for a few years now, is not a bad sign. Also of note is that this team will get more reinforcements soon!

the moral victories mantra

After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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