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BRIGGS
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10/27/2010  10:18 AM
They have a really good team that should have a great year--what better way to try to keep your guy than winning many games? Why trade him and have a bad season--maybe for guys you dont even want? At the end of the day--Denver would have massive cap room and if they were able to S+T Carmelo the way Clev did with Lebron----what's the difference? They still got 2#1 and a TPE. Why not keep the cap space and flexibility open--with the intention of trying to resign the player while they have a good year--a years where the west id down a bit? Makes a ton of sense?
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10/27/2010  10:23 AM
Which should make you very happy since you don't want to trade for Carmelo Anthony and didn't want to sign LeCon and would trade Amar'e Stoudemire for Hassan Whiteside or Marc Gasol.

Anyway, Denver will trade Melo at the trade deadline. Teams usually don't keep an unhappy Star that's leaving all season. They would get much more value at the deadline than the offseason in a S&T. I just hope your boy Anthony Randolph grows a heart and earns some of the hype you gave him all summer so we can trade him soon.
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10/27/2010  10:25 AM
Welcome too 4 weeks ago. I was saying Denver didnt need to trade Carmelo unless they got an offer they couldnt refuse.
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10/27/2010  10:36 AM
Briggy,

That is why they want young talent and draft picks and expirings. They can retool.

If not, whats the hurry?

Im sure Melo is gone but his play is getting his extension if he can.

They have Kmart coming off the books this season also.
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10/27/2010  11:15 AM
If I were the GM of Denver I would allow the season to play out and continually field offers. There is no hurry here for them until the trade deadline approaches. Carmelo was a #3 pick so they want to get fair value. Right now there is no consensus between Denver and other teams what that fair value is. This will take some time to sort out. Rookies that don't interest Denver now may interest Denver later as the season progresses... draft picks from certain teams may end up being better as it becomes apparent certain teams are bad.
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10/27/2010  11:37 AM
BRIGGS wrote:Denver would have massive cap room and if they were able to S+T Carmelo the way Clev did with Lebron----what's the difference? They still got 2#1 and a TPE.

The subtle difference in the Lebron vs Melo situation is Miami really wanted to do a sign and trade so that they could sign additional guys (and not renounce others) in order to fill out their roster. Denver takes the risk that the Knicks are not in the same position and Melo doesn't mind not getting the (sign with your current team ) full max.

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10/27/2010  11:44 AM
Andrew wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Denver would have massive cap room and if they were able to S+T Carmelo the way Clev did with Lebron----what's the difference? They still got 2#1 and a TPE.

The subtle difference in the Lebron vs Melo situation is Miami really wanted to do a sign and trade so that they could sign additional guys (and not renounce others) in order to fill out their roster. Denver takes the risk that the Knicks are not in the same position and Melo doesn't mind not getting the (sign with your current team ) full max.

Denver had a chance to get Derrick Favors two number 1 picks and an ending contract and turned it down--no deal will be better than that--its simple--they have made up their minds to keep him and try to sign him--if it doesnt workout--Im sure that Melo will want the 6 years and the team trading for him will give up anyway to make it happen. There is very little downside for Denver to not trading him--or he would already be gone.

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10/27/2010  11:48 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
Andrew wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Denver would have massive cap room and if they were able to S+T Carmelo the way Clev did with Lebron----what's the difference? They still got 2#1 and a TPE.

The subtle difference in the Lebron vs Melo situation is Miami really wanted to do a sign and trade so that they could sign additional guys (and not renounce others) in order to fill out their roster. Denver takes the risk that the Knicks are not in the same position and Melo doesn't mind not getting the (sign with your current team ) full max.

Denver had a chance to get Derrick Favors two number 1 picks and an ending contract and turned it down--no deal will be better than that--its simple--they have made up their minds to keep him and try to sign him--if it doesnt workout--Im sure that Melo will want the 6 years and the team trading for him will give up anyway to make it happen. There is very little downside for Denver to not trading him--or he would already be gone.

There are 2 assumptions you make here though. Nets wanted this deal, and Melo wanted to go to the Nets. I don't think anyone can be confident that either are true.

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10/27/2010  11:50 AM
Andrew wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Andrew wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Denver would have massive cap room and if they were able to S+T Carmelo the way Clev did with Lebron----what's the difference? They still got 2#1 and a TPE.

The subtle difference in the Lebron vs Melo situation is Miami really wanted to do a sign and trade so that they could sign additional guys (and not renounce others) in order to fill out their roster. Denver takes the risk that the Knicks are not in the same position and Melo doesn't mind not getting the (sign with your current team ) full max.

Denver had a chance to get Derrick Favors two number 1 picks and an ending contract and turned it down--no deal will be better than that--its simple--they have made up their minds to keep him and try to sign him--if it doesnt workout--Im sure that Melo will want the 6 years and the team trading for him will give up anyway to make it happen. There is very little downside for Denver to not trading him--or he would already be gone.

There are 2 assumptions you make here though. Nets wanted this deal, and Melo wanted to go to the Nets. I don't think anyone can be confident that either are true.

I think you are assuming Carmelo doesnt want a 6th year:)

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10/27/2010  12:33 PM
Why should Denver keep Melo? They should have traded him yesterday. By keeping Melo they are going to shoot themselves in the foot. They are going to get a decent record and he is going to leave them high and dry. Denver is left holding a low draft pick all because they didn't want to trade Melo. It makes no sense. They should trade Melo get a decent deal done. And work towards the lottery so they can start to build around another high draft pick.

Only a fool wouldn't want Melo on the Knicks. That is guaranteed playoffs and a chance to compete at the highest level.
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10/27/2010  12:49 PM
Andrew wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Denver would have massive cap room and if they were able to S+T Carmelo the way Clev did with Lebron----what's the difference? They still got 2#1 and a TPE.

The subtle difference in the Lebron vs Melo situation is Miami really wanted to do a sign and trade so that they could sign additional guys (and not renounce others) in order to fill out their roster. Denver takes the risk that the Knicks are not in the same position and Melo doesn't mind not getting the (sign with your current team ) full max.

This. Miami wanted the S&T's not just out of a favor to Toronto/Cleveland. They did it so they could retain the rights to Haslem, while still having cap room for Mike Miller.

The more applicable situation is the S&T we did with Phoenix, where we had no incentive to really make a trade since we already had Amare locked up.

What did Phoenix get? A TPE and a 2nd rounder.
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10/27/2010  12:50 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
Andrew wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Andrew wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Denver would have massive cap room and if they were able to S+T Carmelo the way Clev did with Lebron----what's the difference? They still got 2#1 and a TPE.

The subtle difference in the Lebron vs Melo situation is Miami really wanted to do a sign and trade so that they could sign additional guys (and not renounce others) in order to fill out their roster. Denver takes the risk that the Knicks are not in the same position and Melo doesn't mind not getting the (sign with your current team ) full max.

Denver had a chance to get Derrick Favors two number 1 picks and an ending contract and turned it down--no deal will be better than that--its simple--they have made up their minds to keep him and try to sign him--if it doesnt workout--Im sure that Melo will want the 6 years and the team trading for him will give up anyway to make it happen. There is very little downside for Denver to not trading him--or he would already be gone.

There are 2 assumptions you make here though. Nets wanted this deal, and Melo wanted to go to the Nets. I don't think anyone can be confident that either are true.

I think you are assuming Carmelo doesnt want a 6th year:)

You're assuming that the new CBA will even allow 6 years anymore. He can't get 6 years in an extension anyway, so that's clearly not his priority.
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10/27/2010  1:26 PM
Denver will trade Melo because he's already made it obvious that he has no intention of re-signing there this summer... they're not going to just let their franchise guy walk for nothing.
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10/27/2010  1:29 PM
scoshin wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Andrew wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Andrew wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Denver would have massive cap room and if they were able to S+T Carmelo the way Clev did with Lebron----what's the difference? They still got 2#1 and a TPE.

The subtle difference in the Lebron vs Melo situation is Miami really wanted to do a sign and trade so that they could sign additional guys (and not renounce others) in order to fill out their roster. Denver takes the risk that the Knicks are not in the same position and Melo doesn't mind not getting the (sign with your current team ) full max.

Denver had a chance to get Derrick Favors two number 1 picks and an ending contract and turned it down--no deal will be better than that--its simple--they have made up their minds to keep him and try to sign him--if it doesnt workout--Im sure that Melo will want the 6 years and the team trading for him will give up anyway to make it happen. There is very little downside for Denver to not trading him--or he would already be gone.

There are 2 assumptions you make here though. Nets wanted this deal, and Melo wanted to go to the Nets. I don't think anyone can be confident that either are true.

I think you are assuming Carmelo doesnt want a 6th year:)

You're assuming that the new CBA will even allow 6 years anymore. He can't get 6 years in an extension anyway, so that's clearly not his priority.

I think he meant a new contract would be six years, not an extension.
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10/28/2010  7:21 AM
TMS wrote:Denver will trade Melo because he's already made it obvious that he has no intention of re-signing there this summer... they're not going to just let their franchise guy walk for nothing.

bingo. the problem is who will risk trading to rent melo which makes it hard for denver. that 4 way deal would have almost worked tho charlotte would have been hosed. they will wait to february but they will deal him.
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