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Another option aside from trading for Melo
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newyorknewyork
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10/22/2010  12:08 PM
Would be to look into a deal with Philly for Elton Brand and Evan Turner for Eddie Curry, Turiaf, Bookey and our 2nd rders. When is Turner eligible to be traded by the way?

I know I know, Brands contract is absolutely horrible and adding him would kill all chances of landing Melo or adding future free agents.

BUT imagine adding a guy like Even Turner(22)to be the SG with a young core like Gallo(22) Randolph(21) and Mozgov(24). It would pay huge dividends long after Brand's contract expires. Not to mention Brand still produces some type of numbers and would provide very solid depth in the front court behind Stoudemire and Mozgov. I think we could deal with it for 3yrs and in the 3rd yr his expiring has value. The team currently constructed desperately needs a stud SG like Turner has the talent to be and have a strong core for yrs to come. Plus it works out cap wise for us as Douglas, Gallo, Randolph, Mozgov, Chandler, Fields will all outproduce there contracts from the rookie scale even though Brand will severely under perform. So from a cap management stand point it would be like if we gave all these guys a 1-3mil raise. So until we were to resign Gallo and Randolph which would happen the same yr as Brand being in the final yr of his contract we wouldn't even be over the luxuary cap threshold. Yet with young guys like Turner, Gallo, Randolph, Douglas, Mozgov, Chandler, Fields, Walker, we would still maintain flexibility to make moves without being under the cap if need be. But there wouldn't be a big need to make changes to the roster only to allow them to play and grow together regardless.

Then when you think of a team like
First team Felton, Turner, Gallo, Stoudemire, Mozgov
Second team Douglas, Chandler, Fields, Randolph, Brand
With Walker, Mason, Rautins filling out the roster
Your set up for the present and future getting young guys playoff experience as well.

I think Philly would be very interested for the fact that they are loaded with perimeter players with Holiday, Williams, Iggy, Kapono, Young, Nocioni. So using Turner to unload Brands contract may not be a bad idea. Unloading Brand would not only opens up mins for Speights, Brackins, Hawes. As well as allow Philly to be flexible by sliding Young and Nocioni to PF at times allowing everyone to get there mins. It would save Philly 47mil over the span of the 3yrs. They also would acquire around 13mil in cap space next off season, which could raise to 20mil if they were allow Hawes and Young to sign with other teams.

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10/22/2010  6:27 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/22/2010  6:28 PM
I'm surprised no one has responded to this post. I saw it this afternoon but didn't have time to chime in until just now.. Personally I think nyny came up with a very real scenario here. I think Melo is absolutely the apple of our eye at the moment but if it doesn't work out, a scenario like this (trading for an unfavorably contract in order to get a young stud) is definitely a distinct possibility for us as a plan B. Very similar to the Darren Collison rumors (what we thought it would take to get him) we heard this past summer that we debated back and forth on this board about. Darren Collison would've been a nice little catch but many suspected it would've required whatever team to take back Emeka Okafor's horrendous contract as part of the deal. Same principle here -- Brand and Okafor are similar bigs that can still contribute but have awful contracts only Turner's an even better prospect than Collison. I got news for ya, if we lose out on Melo we might have to seriously consider something like this, love it or not. Brand's contract is a killer but we'd get Turner and we wouldn't have to give up any of our young big pieces which a lot of guys around here are dead set against doing anyway..Definitely food for thought. Good job by newyorknewyork for outlining a very real possibility here. Would Philly do it -- that's the million dollar question. Do they consider Turner a 'can't miss' like a lot of people do? I think they might want to rebuild with him. Interesting scenario though.
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10/22/2010  6:33 PM
Why would philly give up turner?
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10/22/2010  6:43 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/22/2010  6:54 PM
Read the man's post -- he explains why. It boils down to how badly Philly management/ownership wants to unload Brand's awful contract. Do they consider it worth giving up on a gem like Turner in the process? Who knows? Maybe, maybe not. Gun to my head I say probably not -- they'd probably want to stick with Turner as the new face of their franchise and develop him into a star but you can't tell me the Sixers wouldn't have any internal discussion on the matter at all. As nyny points out -- I'm sure they'd love to get out from under that albatross of a contract and also open up some meaningful PT for some of their other bigs.
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10/22/2010  6:44 PM
i know there are rumors that turner is a chemistry-killer and already thought of as a bust in some ways... but no way do they give up on him that early.

and... i mean... if you have a chance at melo, you wait and see what happens with that before you consider other trades. you're talking about a trade that adds maybe 4 wins. the melo trade adds 10-15 wins.

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10/22/2010  6:52 PM
crzymdups wrote:i know there are rumors that turner is a chemistry-killer and already thought of as a bust in some ways... but no way do they give up on him that early.

and... i mean... if you have a chance at melo, you wait and see what happens with that before you consider other trades. you're talking about a trade that adds maybe 4 wins. the melo trade adds 10-15 wins.

I happen to agree with you -- you explore this Melo scenario first but if it doesn't materialize (say he does go to NJ after all), something like this is a possibility.

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10/22/2010  7:04 PM
With the talk that the new CBA may cut existing contracts, I think there will be less pressure to trade guys like Brand for cap relief.
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10/22/2010  8:52 PM
If the money works I'd rather take Igoudala and Brand.
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10/22/2010  11:14 PM
I think you let things play out. If Walsh doesn't get Melo I don't think D'Antoni is back next year. I don't think he can win unless he has established stars on his team and now he only has one. Developing talent doesn't appear to be something he wants to put the effort into or is willing to do.
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10/23/2010  3:04 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/23/2010  3:06 AM
i don't see Philly giving up Turner just to unload Brand's contract... would the Knicks give away Gallo to dump Curry last year, or the year before?
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10/23/2010  3:07 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/23/2010  3:08 AM
knickstorrents wrote:If the money works I'd rather take Igoudala and Brand.

i can possibly see a deal like that going down if Philly is desperate to dump salary & rebuild around Turner & their other young guys, & use their cap flexibility to sign other pieces down the road... but from a Knicks standpoint i wouldn't make that deal... Iggy is not a good enough player to warrant taking on Brand's salary at this point... & besides, he plays the same position as Amare... what's the point? Wilson's production isn't that far off from Iggy's anyway.

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10/23/2010  3:15 AM
Igoudala's WP48 is over .200... Chandler's is about break-even.

Brand can play Center and is a great offensive rebounder and shot blocker. His head isn't in the right place though but that can be fixed.

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10/23/2010  11:16 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/23/2010  11:19 AM
knickstorrents wrote:Igoudala's WP48 is over .200... Chandler's is about break-even.

Brand can play Center and is a great offensive rebounder and shot blocker. His head isn't in the right place though but that can be fixed.

IMO Brand cannot play center, which is what I see as the flaw in this trade proposal. Amare does not want to play center and Brand is too undersized to play center full time, so now you have created a logjam at PF. Turner is unproven and Iggy cannot shoot threes (which is needed in this system), so I think any trade with Philly will not be to our benefit. We are far better off getting Melo and preserving possible cap room for 2012.

Now a deal of Curry, Chander, Walker, and 2nd round pick for Iggy and change, might make some sense, if we strike out on Melo.

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10/23/2010  12:38 PM
I'd take a pass on this deal. Part of the reason why Brand hasn't been successful in Philly is that he's a halfcourt player and the rest of their roster is pretty much filled with transition guys. If he doesn't fit there, than he definitely won't fit with the We spent years trying to get the cap reasonable and I'd hate to see us flush away that flexibility for a guy who probably doesn't fit--even if it is for a young player like Turner.
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10/23/2010  12:52 PM
I dont want Brand or Igoudala.
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