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AnubisADL
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10/21/2010  3:56 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/21/2010  3:57 PM
NBA commissioner David Stern says there was no quantifiable progress in collective bargaining talks over the summer, and the league has revealed it is seeking a reduction in player salary costs by about one-third.

Stern says the league wants player costs to drop by about $750 million to $800 million. Deputy commissioner Adam Silver says the NBA currently spends about $2.1 billion annually in player salaries and benefits.

Stern completed two days of meetings Thursday with his owners, who are seeking major changes to the current CBA that expires June 30. Silver says the league has repeatedly told the union that owners are in a "diseconomic situation," with projected losses of about $340 million to $350 million this season.

Source: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5711172

I think Stern just wants less guaranteed years so he is asking for pie in the sky. Less guaranteed years means teams could turn around faster and get out of bad deals they sign. See Eddy Curry, Grant Hill, Erick Dampier, Jerome James, etc.

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10/21/2010  4:33 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/21/2010  4:34 PM
No problem. I'm sure we can find 8-10 teams to contract.
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10/21/2010  4:39 PM
so weird. on one end you have the owners, who collectively doled out 100's of millions of dollars in contracts this summer to guys like Joe Johnson, Carlos Boozer, David Lee, Rudy Gay, etc.

on the other end, you have the players, 3 of which are marquee guys who decided to take less than max money for the opportunity to play together.

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10/21/2010  4:55 PM
add to the fact that the salary cap is based on league revenue. Remember everyone was talking about the cap going down by as much as $5mm (would have been almost 10%). Funny thing happened... it went up. That cap is based on the players getting paid a certain % of the league's revenue.

Go figure.

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10/21/2010  5:02 PM
fishmike wrote:add to the fact that the salary cap is based on league revenue. Remember everyone was talking about the cap going down by as much as $5mm (would have been almost 10%). Funny thing happened... it went up. That cap is based on the players getting paid a certain % of the league's revenue.

Go figure.

They want less guaranteed salary and that's all it is. Basically saving the owners from themselves. No more 5 year 100 million dollar deals. More like 3 year 60 million max.

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10/22/2010  12:44 AM
AnubisADL wrote:
fishmike wrote:add to the fact that the salary cap is based on league revenue. Remember everyone was talking about the cap going down by as much as $5mm (would have been almost 10%). Funny thing happened... it went up. That cap is based on the players getting paid a certain % of the league's revenue.

Go figure.

They want less guaranteed salary and that's all it is. Basically saving the owners from themselves. No more 5 year 100 million dollar deals. More like 3 year 60 million max.

I'm pretty sure those are yearly numbers they are talking about for player salaries... the issue is that too many teams are losing money. Shortening contracts will help overall competitiveness of teams since they aren't stuck with crap players for so long (like Eddy). But they'll want to shorten contracts and also lower the cap. So the new contract max might be something like 3 years, 40 million.

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10/22/2010  4:20 AM
The mid-level exception changed the game for a lot of players. You look back and see that a player like Gerald Wilkins made a total of about $16 million for his career and then fast forward and you see that a guy like Al Harrington pulls $33 mil in his mid-level alone, it makes you chuckle. Would the players sacrifice less jobs with contraction to maintain the same salary levels they've built during the past 20 years? Would the league even seriously consider contraction? I'm guessing no on both questions and I'm preparing for lockout. I'm hopeful AR can use that time to hook up with Karl Malone and bulk up.
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10/22/2010  8:57 AM
Go luck with that Mr. Stern. You built it up for decades and now you're going to ask or tell players they are worth less and expect them to accept it. Nice.
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10/22/2010  9:17 AM
More reason for Melo to sign his 3 yr extension this year. Hopefully he will more strongly push for a trade to us and we re-sign him.
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10/22/2010  9:32 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/22/2010  9:38 AM
NEW YORK -- In explaining the state of collective bargaining negotiations Thursday after what he termed a "blessedly uneventful" meeting with NBA owners, commissioner David Stern revealed just how drastically the league wants to reduce player salaries.

But what might have been low key for owners was a horror show for players. In short, as soon as the Year of the Big Three is over, Stern will look to shave players' salaries by one-third in a new CBA.

"What we told our players initially is that we'd like to get profitable and we'd like to have a return on our investment," Stern said. "And there's a swing of somewhere in the neighborhood of between $750 [million] and $800 million that we would like to change. That's our story and we're sticking with it."
In another staggering development, CBSSports.com learned that salaries may not be the only area cut as the NBA tries to gets its financial books up to speed with the explosion in popularity the league will experience this season. A person with knowledge of the owners' discussions said the league "will continue to be open to contraction" as a possible mechanism for restoring the league to profitability.

The owners' ongoing talks about competitive balance, profitability and revenue sharing have included the notion of whether teams are operating in "the best available markets," the person said, and whether reducing the number of teams from the current 30 would help improve the product and the bottom line.

I'm all for that. Saying goodbye to the Grizzlies, Timberwolves, Bucks and Bobcats would save the league a few hundred million in needless salaries and improve the product dramatically. When the NBA had 23 teams in 1980-81, having multiple Hall of Famers on the same team was the norm. Back then, the Heat would've been nothing special. Today, they're a national spectacle covered 24 hours a day.

Billy Hunter, executive director of the National Basketball Players Association, was traveling Thursday and unavailable for comment. But typically, sports unions have resisted efforts to jettison teams because of the resulting job losses. For example, eliminating the two most revenue-challenged NBA teams would mean the loss of 30 player jobs, not to mention coaching and front-office positions. Based on gate-receipts data, the teams that have struggled the most in the past two years of the current CBA are Memphis, Minnesota, Milwaukee, Indiana, Atlanta and Charlotte. The Sacramento Kings are a clear candidate for relocation, given that their stalled efforts to build a new arena resulted in what Stern termed a "disappointing" update on that franchise's future at Arco Arena.

Timberwolves owner Glen Taylor, one of those small-market owners, said the planning committee is "making progress" on a new revenue-sharing plan that is being worked out in lockstep with collective bargaining.

"I don't want to say we have the model," Taylor said. "I would say that we're looking at a number of different models."


After two days of meetings with the full Board of Governors, Stern pulled no punches in quantifying just how much salaries would need to be reduced to stem losses that NBA officials pegged at $380 million last season. Deputy commissioner Adam Silver, who is spearheading the labor negotiations, revealed Thursday that the league currently is projecting between $340 million and $350 million in losses for the upcoming season -- despite robust season-ticket renewals and record new season-ticket sales generated by the historic summer of free-agent movement that landed LeBron James and Chris Bosh in Miami with Dwyane Wade, plus Carlos Boozer in Chicago and Amar'e Stoudemire in New York.

Do the math: Reducing salaries by $750 million from their 2009-10 level of $2.3 billion would represent a 33 percent reduction in pay and benefits. The NBPA is "far from accepting that," Silver said.

No wonder. Such a dramatic reduction in salaries would be akin to the players accepting 41 percent of league revenues compared to the 57 percent they receive under the agreement that expires at the end of the 2010-11 season. But it isn't that simple; Stern had better hope so, or we're heading for a work stoppage faster than LeBron can say South Beach.

Stern conceded that "business is good," and pointed out that as revenues rise, player salaries rise with them. "It's a sliding scale," the commissioner said after his session with the media was over.

But more than that, the point league officials have made to owners -- both during bargaining sessions with the labor committee and to the full Board of Governors on Thursday -- is that significant savings could be achieved by changing the NBA's economic model without forcing the players to take such a big cut. League negotiators believe a hard cap, shorter contracts, less guaranteed money and a revamped revenue-sharing system with what Stern called "modest performance standards" would go a long way toward improving competitive balance and satisfying Stern's goal of assuring "all teams will have an opportunity to be profitable."

In other words, instead of eliminating entire franchises or forcing the players to accept a nearly billion-dollar pay cut, some of the problems could be solved by giving teams a way to get out of bad contracts. In much the way teams would have to meet certain performance standards under the revenue-sharing system they're concocting, players making millions would have to meet certain standards, too. Eddy Curry, who can't play anymore yet is making $11.3 million this season, isn't good for business.

Clearly, neither is a lockout coming on the heels of what could be the NBA's most successful season ever -- albeit, one awash in red ink.

"There's an increasing understanding on both sides of the risk of not getting a deal," Stern said.

And plenty of sacrifice, apparently, to go around.

Source: http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/14168647

This is really just about scrubs making too much money. The league isnt contracting.

Some teams just arent going to have good attendance while they are stinking it up.

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10/22/2010  12:11 PM
The NBA would suck if it reduces the number of teams in the league.
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10/22/2010  3:41 PM
JrZyHuStLa wrote:The NBA would suck if it reduces the number of teams in the league.

Why? You could hold a draft of all the players whose teams were contracted and instantly every other team in the league would become deeper and the basketball we watch would be a better game.

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10/22/2010  4:01 PM
This is something that really needs to happen. Wall Street salaries are always at the heart of everyone's disgust in this country, but for the amount of salary we have seen the knicks pay in utter garbage you could transform entire sections of America.

Fringe rotation players should never be payed above 2 million dollars and sometimes you literally have to overpay as an owner so your franchise doesn't become insolvent. And fans should not have to suffer because scumbag losers like Isiah Thomas give out blank checks to aging unmotivated players.

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10/22/2010  6:19 PM
eViL wrote:so weird. on one end you have the owners, who collectively doled out 100's of millions of dollars in contracts this summer to guys like Joe Johnson, Carlos Boozer, David Lee, Rudy Gay, etc.

on the other end, you have the players, 3 of which are marquee guys who decided to take less than max money for the opportunity to play together.


I thought they did get the max?
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10/22/2010  6:29 PM
two mandatory roster spots from 14-12 + work out the rest by cutting min vet contracts from 1mm to 500k cutting guaranteed contracts down to 4-5 instead of 5-6 with minor adjustments on the BRI--you should have a fair deal. I really do not think teams need more than 12(but a team should still would a have right to go to 14 if they wanted to--maybe a cut in salary to 250k for slot 14.


So thats.

A. Contract two teams--for example lets say New Orleans and Sacramento.
B. Cut mandatory roster spots to 12
C. Cut Minimum vet salaries from 1mm to 500k
D Cut player guaranteed contracts down to 5-4 from 6-5
E. Work out the rest on negotiating BFI


I think that is a very workable deal where most of the current contract stays the same
--only fringe jobs are affected(i.e lower slot/depth/bench players)two teams that are not pulling weight are removed and guaranteed contracts go down by 1 year--maybe with a team option on that last year. That way you get the players who deserve the money to stay where they are now--no major changes to the league and the actual product can become better(which could effect positively on the players with BRI in the future.

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10/22/2010  7:28 PM
And if we do all that, the Dleague would get an influx of talent from the NBA. So smaller markets would benefit too.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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10/22/2010  9:46 PM
BRIGGS wrote:--only fringe jobs are affected(i.e lower slot/depth/bench players)two teams that are not pulling weight are removed and guaranteed contracts go down by 1 year--maybe with a team option on that last year. That way you get the players who deserve the money to stay where they are now--no major changes to the league and the actual product can become better(which could effect positively on the players with BRI in the future.

Only problem is that I believe every player in the player's association has an equal vote. There's a lot of fringe players in the league.

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