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knicks1248
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10/21/2010  12:46 AM
The disparity is alarming, especially when you have gallo (6 10") Mosgov (7 1") Amare (6 10) AR (6 11) chandler (6 8") and 2 tough as nails PG's.

Do you guys think this will change with out making a change on the roster. I never seen a team so out of position, absolutely no boxing out, and seemingly not interested in rebounding unless the ball drops in there hands.

David lee avg 11 boards a game, the person under him avg 5, we were 24th in the league.
Against the NETS we had like 11 steals, scored 14 fast break points off of Nets made baskets.

I know its a video game (nba2k) but the statistics are the same, I get out rebound, i lose the game, I get out rebound, force a bunch of TO's have a ton of steals and fast break pts, i win the game. Some how thats what happen against the nets.
Whats more alarming (never really paid attention) teams win 85% of there games when they win the battle on the boards.

Folks, were getting demolish on the boards, and this won't change because the regular season started.

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oohah
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10/21/2010  8:26 AM
One of the reasons Lee averaged so many rebounds is that nobody else on the team rebounded so the available rebounds were incredible.

The season before, Randolph started out with the Knicks rebounding like a madman and Lee averaged significantly less, but the team rebounded much better overall. However, on this board Randolph was made out to be hurting Lee's stats with his greediness. But then Randolph was traded and Lee was out there by himself, which is good for stats and bad for wins.

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Going back to this current season, the other thing is that all these tall guys are going to have trouble rebounding if they are always stationed miles away from the basket - but that is "the system". Basically if the Knicks get hot from 3 they can and will beat anybody. But if they shoot average or bad Stoudemire really has to dominate in the paint for the Knicks to have a chance to win on most nights.

oohah

Good luck Mike D'Antoni, 'cause you ain't never seen nothing like this before!
scoshin
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10/21/2010  8:39 AM
oohah wrote:One of the reasons Lee averaged so many rebounds is that nobody else on the team rebounded so the available rebounds were incredible.

The season before, Randolph started out with the Knicks rebounding like a madman and Lee averaged significantly less, but the team rebounded much better overall. However, on this board Randolph was made out to be hurting Lee's stats with his greediness. But then Randolph was traded and Lee was out there by himself, which is good for stats and bad for wins.

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Going back to this current season, the other thing is that all these tall guys are going to have trouble rebounding if they are always stationed miles away from the basket - but that is "the system". Basically if the Knicks get hot from 3 they can and will beat anybody. But if they shoot average or bad Stoudemire really has to dominate in the paint for the Knicks to have a chance to win on most nights.

oohah

Being parked at the 3-pt line only affects offensive rebounding. There is no reason our defensive rebounding has been so bad as well. We've given up 15+ offensive boards in every preseason game but against Milan. Even the defensive rebounds we do get look like they're a struggle to secure. Or even in yesterday's case, we have no communication that we end up scoring on the opponent's basket while trying to rebound.

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10/21/2010  9:07 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/21/2010  9:07 AM
scoshin wrote:
Being parked at the 3-pt line only affects offensive rebounding.

For the most part that is true except when you have long rebounds off of 3's and the guys who are outside and need to get back are slow of foot. That will certainly diminish your rebounding opportunities.

Rebounding is a mind set. If you don't rebound on offense, chances are you are not going to rebound very well on defense either.


There is no reason our defensive rebounding has been so bad as well. We've given up 15+ offensive boards in every preseason game but against Milan. Even the defensive rebounds we do get look like they're a struggle to secure. Or even in yesterday's case, we have no communication that we end up scoring on the opponent's basket while trying to rebound.


Well the answer is that the current Knicks team literally has no good rebounders.

I have no problem with the unfortunate rebound into the opponents' basket mishap. At least both guys were going for the ball. When you have guys crashing the boards sometimes they bump into each other and it goes out of bounds or something like that, but it is much better to have all guys crashing as opposed to saying, I'll just let "David lee get the rebound".

oohah

Good luck Mike D'Antoni, 'cause you ain't never seen nothing like this before!
If you lose the rebound game

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