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BRIGGS
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10/19/2010  1:07 PM
I have to winder know if indeed the Knicks would make Gallinari and Chandler available.

I wonder if Gallo is liking the nightlife too much?
If there was one person I expected direct improvement from right out of the gate it was gallo. Im concerned two ways here--one that the Knicks will panic into a move two that Gallo will *show Up* after he is possibly traded. I have to wonder with the emergence of Fields and Mosgov--will that make the Knicks lean towards actually including Gallinari--which i think would be a mistake.

I believe both Randolph and Gallo need to *step Up*. If those two guy plays the way they are capable of playing--I think we only need to address another C(maybe Barron?) emphasize more zone defense and see if we can get out on the fast break a bit more and settle for less 3's. We need another rebounder---there is no way around that--we cant sugarcoat that. Id like to see a game where Gallo and randolph play very well at the same time--that would give me a better idea of what we actually have. But there is imbalance between younger players and vets--and with the emergence of feilds and Mosgov--I have to wonder if the Knicks re-evaluate overall plans.

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10/19/2010  1:51 PM
I think the biggest factor is the development of Fields I'm shocked at how good he is. He seems to have a natural instinct for the game. Mozgov's development is key in any deal that might include AR. If Mozgov continues to get better and better then I wouldn't hesitate to move AR who I think is 2-3 years away from realizing some of his potential. I would love to see Gallo develop into some stud player but watching him play I just don't see it. I'm trying so hard to believe its there, but I just don't see it. What I see is a player that is slow, mechanical a player that is lacking instincts on the court. Personally I see a lot more game from Chandler than AR and Gallo. To me Chandler is at this time the second best player on the Knicks hands down.
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10/19/2010  1:57 PM
Yeah, I think Mozgov might make AR expendable in Donnie and Mike's mind. Not sure if Fields makes Gallo or Wilson expendable... yet.

But I agree the Knicks to hold their chips and try to win with what they've got for now.

Unfortunately the Isiah pressure will probably force some kind of trade this season - I hope it's a good one.

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10/19/2010  1:58 PM
IMO the key guys we need to step up are Gallo, Felton, Chan & Timo. AR would be icing on the cake. It would seem to me that the only thing holding up a deal for Melo is Denver. They just don't like what we have to offer and I do believe we've made offers. There's no way that Dolan would pass on the chance to bring Melo here. He loves to pack the Garden and raise the number of MSG subscriptions. I'm positive that he gave the greenlight to trade anyone necessary to make that happen, but I just think Denver is unimpressed.

I do have faith that Gallo will step up and have a good year. I think that with the extended minutes he'll receive there's no chance that he won't produce good numbers. Don't be put off by this preseason slump. The season is long and there will come a point at which even players like AR will settle down and be able to contribute more.

This is a long term process, this isn't a win now mode as some seem to have the impression. You don't add youth like we've done and then get impatient if it doesn't show right away. Did we trade for a finished product or a project when we got AR? We all know he wasn't finished, so why the panic? In fact MOST of the roster are in various stages of early development. The unfortunate part is they are key players for our success. The most realistic expectation is a slow start and a stronger finish to the season. IF they click faster great, but expect a slow start.

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10/19/2010  2:33 PM
Is it me or does Chandler look pretty freakin solid this preseason? And we have no idea how good Mosgov and Fields are until NBA teams have seen them and then seen them again. Frank Williams looked great in his first 20 games of getting big minutes. Maybe we should bring him back?

Now is the time to relax and let the coaching staff figure out what the best lineups and players are.

If your not willing to deal with frustration of watching guys develop, or NOT develop then we really should package AR, Gallo, Chandler, Douglas, Mosgov, Fields and Walker for Melo. Go get some lunch box guys like Reggie Evans and Mikki Moore and be happy we make the playoffs every year

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10/19/2010  2:55 PM
BRIGGS wrote:I wonder if Gallo is liking the nightlife too much?
If there was one person I expected direct improvement from right out of the gate it was gallo.

and what was up with that comment he made to Tina in europe about missing his daily nap time...are you seriously telling us that you need a nap every day.....I'm starting to see MDA make comments like 'he needs to bring the effort' or 'the energy' 'be more agressive'. looks like the kid gloves are off. MDA has always protected him, looks like the kid is gonna have to produce and make the effort....maybe even get a good nights sleep, wake up early and stay focused (i also think the kid is liking the vampire life to much)

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10/19/2010  3:44 PM
Rookie and briggs - do eithe of you have any valid proof that Gallo likes the nightlife?

or are you throwing out a drive-by rumor to see if it sticks?

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10/19/2010  3:52 PM
misterearl wrote:Rookie and briggs - do eithe of you have any valid proof that Gallo likes the nightlife?

or are you throwing out a drive-by rumor to see if it sticks?

it's projection. if they were 21, 6'11" with an italian accent and living in the city that never sleeps they'd be out every night hitting everything in sight. unlike you and me - we'd fall asleep at 9 every night with the playbook open, right?

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10/19/2010  4:05 PM
Have to agree with Briggs...Chandler and Fields have been playing themselves into the rotation while Gallo and Randolph have been playing themselves out of it. Three more pre-season games to go so let's see what happens, but the kid needs to Bahring it! I would think that auditions are over and MDA wants to start settling into his opening day line-up, but comments like 'bring the effort' or 'the energy' and 'be more agressive' from the coach should be a big wake-up call that the free ride is over
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10/19/2010  4:10 PM
Marv wrote:
misterearl wrote:Rookie and briggs - do eithe of you have any valid proof that Gallo likes the nightlife?

or are you throwing out a drive-by rumor to see if it sticks?

it's projection. if they were 21, 6'11" with an italian accent and living in the city that never sleeps they'd be out every night hitting everything in sight. unlike you and me - we'd fall asleep at 9 every night with the playbook open, right?

ahhhh the good old days

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10/19/2010  5:00 PM
Rookie wrote:Have to agree with Briggs...Chandler and Fields have been playing themselves into the rotation while Gallo and Randolph have been playing themselves out of it. Three more pre-season games to go so let's see what happens, but the kid needs to Bahring it! I would think that auditions are over and MDA wants to start settling into his opening day line-up, but comments like 'bring the effort' or 'the energy' and 'be more agressive' from the coach should be a big wake-up call that the free ride is over

Kudos to Chandler and Fields for stepping up. Now we're waiting for Gallo and AR to show what they've got. It's still early. I did like AR's development so far. More directed purpose (rebounding, defense. Hoping to see come down on these two in regards to effort and role.

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10/19/2010  5:03 PM
Timofey Mozgov & Landry Fields > Danilo Gallinari & Anthony Randolph

Yes, I said it.

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10/19/2010  5:07 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/19/2010  5:09 PM
Rookie wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:I wonder if Gallo is liking the nightlife too much?
If there was one person I expected direct improvement from right out of the gate it was gallo.

and what was up with that comment he made to Tina in europe about missing his daily nap time...are you seriously telling us that you need a nap every day.....I'm starting to see MDA make comments like 'he needs to bring the effort' or 'the energy' 'be more agressive'. looks like the kid gloves are off. MDA has always protected him, looks like the kid is gonna have to produce and make the effort....maybe even get a good nights sleep, wake up early and stay focused (i also think the kid is liking the vampire life to much)

Coming from Italy, he most likely grew up with the "siesta", a mid-afternoon nap that Italians (and other Europeans?) take to recharge and relax. It's a cultural thing.

iSergio wrote:Timofey Mozgov & Landry Fields > Danilo Gallinari & Anthony Randolph

Yes, I said it.

Uggh. Maybe those two are playing to their potential a bit more, but I doubt either has the kind of ceiling AR and Gallo have.

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10/19/2010  5:07 PM
iSergio wrote:Timofey Mozgov & Landry Fields > Danilo Gallinari & Anthony Randolph

Yes, I said it.

I think your reaching. Landry Fields current isn't better than Chase Budinger. Mosgov has been solid but I think some are hyping this guy beyond belief.

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10/19/2010  5:12 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
iSergio wrote:Timofey Mozgov & Landry Fields > Danilo Gallinari & Anthony Randolph

Yes, I said it.

I think your reaching. Landry Fields current isn't better than Chase Budinger. Mosgov has been solid but I think some are hyping this guy beyond belief.

Strongly disagree.

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10/19/2010  5:17 PM
iSergio wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
iSergio wrote:Timofey Mozgov & Landry Fields > Danilo Gallinari & Anthony Randolph

Yes, I said it.

I think your reaching. Landry Fields current isn't better than Chase Budinger. Mosgov has been solid but I think some are hyping this guy beyond belief.

Strongly disagree.

What makes Fields better than Budinger?

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10/19/2010  5:22 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
iSergio wrote:Timofey Mozgov & Landry Fields > Danilo Gallinari & Anthony Randolph

Yes, I said it.

I think your reaching. Landry Fields current isn't better than Chase Budinger. Mosgov has been solid but I think some are hyping this guy beyond belief.

Bro, are you like the happiness police or something?

It's too early to say if Feilds is better than Budinger. Budinger was thought to be a lotto pick for a while. One thing I'll say that Fields looks like he clearly has of Budinger is BB IQ and Budinger is no slouch there.

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10/19/2010  5:32 PM
earthmansurfer wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
iSergio wrote:Timofey Mozgov & Landry Fields > Danilo Gallinari & Anthony Randolph

Yes, I said it.

I think your reaching. Landry Fields current isn't better than Chase Budinger. Mosgov has been solid but I think some are hyping this guy beyond belief.

Bro, are you like the happiness police or something?

It's too early to say if Feilds is better than Budinger. Budinger was thought to be a lotto pick for a while. One thing I'll say that Fields looks like he clearly has of Budinger is BB IQ and Budinger is no slouch there.

I mentioned Budinger because if I said Mosgov and Budinger > Gallo and Randolph people would call me a fool.

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10/19/2010  8:03 PM
Gallo and AR are still our 2 best prospect, that doesn't change. I don't think you can downplay Gallo's value because despite his inconsistency, he is still our best shooter, and that factor alone makes him the 2nd or 3rd most important piece to this team regardless of how he is playing. If Gallo is ever traded for Melo (hopefully not, because he is a great complimentary player on the other wing) then we will need to seriously find a 3-point shooter who can shoot a lot and make a lot over the course of a game. That's not Korver or Kapono who shoot a high percent but barely make one per game, we are talking about a high volume, high make shooter close to Gallo, and that will be hard to find. AR, however great upside he may have, has become very expandable with the emergence of Mozgov. Mozgov is becoming the center of the future and a necessity to have to compete for future championships because of his size and skill, and AR is quickly looking like best-case scenario is to develop into a 6th man like Odom. That's all well and good, but this is not a lakers team, we still have way too many holes to fill before developing a 6th man role of that caliber. AR's trade value shouldn't drop due to his poor play because he is still 21 and still an investment player who will be looked on based on upside first. But what place does he have in this line-up as long as Stoudemire and Mozgov remain healthy? If we keep him it's still great because he will get all the minutes off the bench he can handle if he is playing well, but all i'm saying is he quickly becomes most expendable in a trade for a major player. I'm sure MDA is really warming to a dream lineup later this season or next season of

C Mozgov PF Stouedmire SF Melo SG Gallo PG Felton

If we get Melo for nothing over the summer, that's great because AR becomes a great 6th man prospect. If we want to make a December to February push for Melo, then AR and Chandler are the first players offered along with Curry if New York feels they can give Denver a last-chance-take-it-or-leave-it offer before the deadline.

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