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BRIGGS
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10/17/2010  3:36 AM
There is no cure on this team for the rebounding problem we have--we just dont have guys who can rebound the ball. If they just go with it, we will win 30 games--you cant win in the nBA if you are getting killed nightly on the boards--you have very little chance. We do not have a starting 5 man--and the rebounding from that position maybe be the worst in the league.
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10/17/2010  4:14 AM
I'd prefer that we sign Earl Barron, but if that is out of the picture, how about picking up the former Big East Defensive Player of the Year, Josh Boone? I hear that he may be headed to China. We could use his defense and rebounding, no?
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10/17/2010  5:05 AM
OAK wrote:I'd prefer that we sign Earl Barron, but if that is out of the picture, how about picking up the former Big East Defensive Player of the Year, Josh Boone? I hear that he may be headed to China. We could use his defense and rebounding, no?

Josh is an excellent rebounder and he can defend very well. Were going to have to make some decisions here. Were not playing to win were not rebounding the basketball a few guys have been porous and have not played to their full abilities--our PG play has been spotty --Toney Douglas and Roger Mason have been flat out terrible. Too many guys have not done the job and we flat out dont have the personnel to win rebounding totals.

Honestly right now--we have a star player in Amare Stoudemire---a good solid player in Wilson Chandler who is OBVIOUSLY not a 4--I still that we have Good players that can fit with Amare in Mosgov Randolph and Gallo in different roles. Bill Walker has made shots.

Our guards Douglas Mason and rautins have been very bad from the 2 guard--

C--I dont know Turriaf cant rebound or make a shot and Mosgov is a solid bench player who needs development time
F-Amare
F Gallo Needs to rebound and take better shots)
G--Wilson(has been very solid)
G-Felton--shaky but acceptable

Bench
C Mosgov this is the position for him back up C who can play well against back line guys
F Randolph--for all of the jibber hes put up numbers every game
G-Walker--he flat out won this position
G-Douglas by default but let me say that hes been disappointing so far but like a few others needs to keep plugging away


I have to wonder right now if inserting Fields into the #3 position starting line up and moving Amare to C--Gallo to 4 is our bets bet--then we can mix and match Mosgov Randolph up front and walker Douglas in the back. Turriaf is not getting me the rebounds or the points. He can play D but to be honest this is a scoring team and a weak rebounding team and his liabilities outweigh his assets.


So Im thinking play a faster starting unit lead by Amare Gallo and Chandler with fields as a rebounder defender opportunistic scorer who can help the team play faster(which we just havent been able to do) and use size and speed off the bench for energy defense and same punch and then in game mix and match.

in terms of some body else---I think we haev to explore this--especially with Barron. Barron might haev to play starting 5 for us. He can rebound he can shoot and we need him point blank I said it 10 times now Turriaf is not the answer

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10/17/2010  5:06 AM
Agree - Rebounding seems to be a chronic issue so far for this team. Rebounders don't really grow on trees however. Of the free agents available last year who could rebound, David Lee was probably the best available!

Just finished watching NBA TV Knicks Team Preview - Kenny Smith and Brent Barry don't even think we'll break .500. I go back and forth on this team... initially I was very bullish, but after reading some others I'm inclined to agree. I am hopeful that we will get to .500 but I think it will be very difficult. We can't win if we get outrebounded by 15 on a nightly basis.

Maybe someone from the NBADL can be had who can be called up to shore up our rebounding. One possible silver bullet for rebounding is Anthony Randolph. Anthony Randolph averaged 6.5 rebounds in 22 minutes last year, so his per minute production is good... but will D'Antoni have the patience to let him play extended minutes (and can Randolph be a steady consistent player who can play properly within a team concept??). I see AR play at times and I want to tear my hair out. I guess I know how it feels to be a Golden State fan last year.

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10/17/2010  5:07 AM
we must address this rebounding issue!
we don't have a singal rebounder :

mozgov 2 reb in 20 min
willson 2 reb in 22 min
gallo 3 reb in 27 min
felton 1 reb in 27 min
randolph 5 reb in 25 min
turiaf 2 reb in 21 min

we were out rebounded by boston 46-27 you cant win like this!
add to that amare isnt a great rebounder 8.9 reb for his career

I dont see us making the playoffs with this kind of rebounding.

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10/17/2010  8:29 AM
You know what is interesting, is that we have been in all of the games, even though we have been demolished rebounding wise. Clearly we are playing better defense. I think we need our center back from last year, Turiaf isn't doing much and Barron still doesn't have a job. He can shoot well, Fills that role for D'Antoni...
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10/17/2010  8:31 AM
The problem is at center. Amare does his share and Randolph is a good rebounder. Both Turiaf and Mosgov are below average rebounders for centers. I like what they give us defensively and I'm impressed with Mosgov's energy. But if those guy can't pull down rebounds, we may need to make a move there.
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10/17/2010  9:21 AM
I agree...after last night's game...No need to panic but a rebounder must be brought in; either bring back Earl Barron or seriously consider taking a look @ Josh Boone.
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10/17/2010  9:32 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/17/2010  9:33 AM
I agree on the need to rebound more. Some of the problem is MDA's offensive sets and the new players are not used to it. I saw about 20 minutes so my comments represent a small sample.

e: Turiaf -
One thing I noticed is that Turiaf is setting picks outside but not cutting to the basket. So he wasn't ready for the pick and Roll BUT also, when our guys shot from the outside after he set a pick, he stayed outside. Therefore 3 Celtics were around the basket for the rebound and Turiaf watched from outside and then ran back for defense. He has to attack the rim with or without the ball and gain inside position.

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10/17/2010  9:36 AM
For once I agree with BRIGGS!

We're not winning 30 games with Wilson Chandler and his 5 rpg at PF. I'm confident Amar'e Stoudemire will get 9-10 once we start playing for real but he needs help. Anthony Randolph, Ronny Turiaf and Timofey Mozgov MUST rebound the ball better. That's it. Mike D'Antoni needs to tell Randolph he's the 'Dennis Rodman' of the team, not 'Kevin Garnett'. We don't need Randolph taking three-pointers or jumpers off the dribble or bringing the ball up. We need Randolph to be that second double-digit rebounder.

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10/17/2010  9:38 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/17/2010  9:48 AM
Of the guys in the top 40 for rebound rate last season, Boone, Dampier and Barron are the only ones still available. Problem is that we're sitting right below the cap, so it would almost have to be a trade.

AR was 48th in the league in boards per 40 min last year. I said this in another thread, if you tell AR that he's the center and needs to play that role... I think he can do that (rebound). If he's at an ambiguous position, then I think he'll float around the perimeter.

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10/17/2010  10:14 AM
OAK wrote:I'd prefer that we sign Earl Barron, but if that is out of the picture, how about picking up the former Big East Defensive Player of the Year, Josh Boone? I hear that he may be headed to China. We could use his defense and rebounding, no?
I forgot about Boone. He would be a great pickup and could play the 5 and allow Amare to stay at the 4. Boone would be a nice fit.
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10/17/2010  10:40 AM
nadavshomron wrote:we must address this rebounding issue!
we don't have a singal rebounder :

mozgov 2 reb in 20 min
willson 2 reb in 22 min
gallo 3 reb in 27 min
felton 1 reb in 27 min
randolph 5 reb in 25 min
turiaf 2 reb in 21 min

we were out rebounded by boston 46-27 you cant win like this!
add to that amare isnt a great rebounder 8.9 reb for his career

I dont see us making the playoffs with this kind of rebounding.

Hey Briggs...see your impatient as usual...I suppose you do remember last year going into training camp when Gallo couldn't buy a basket after d'Antoni called him "the best shooter I ever saw"?

I am a bit worried about rebounding..but frankly if you hit your shot there is no rebounding ;)

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10/17/2010  10:43 AM
we are -19 through game 3 in rebounding. At that rate we will not win 20 games--we will have a chance to be the worst team in the league. To wash it away as pre-season is playing with fire. If they accept this--every person who works for the Knicks should be fired.
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10/17/2010  10:50 AM
To me this rebounding issue was kind of unexpected, although it has been talked about a lot. We know Amare will get his 9 per game based on his career. The issue is having more rebounders and there is no reason it can't be on this roster. Turiaf is only a 5 rebound a night guy. But there is no reason Mozgov shouldn't grab 6 or more per night as long as he is playing 20 minutes per. His lack of rebounding has confused me. Also, once Randolph finds his role and get consistent, there is no reason to think he can't grab 7-8 per night in 24-28 minutes off the bench. But so far this isn't happening for either of these guys, so if it continues we will probably need a trade.
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10/17/2010  11:12 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/17/2010  11:13 AM
What's the deal with Joey Dorsey and the Raptors? Is he a lock to make that club (team option for just under 900K per hoopshype)? 7 rebs in 7 mins against the Celts recently...15 ppg and over 13 reb per last year in the d-league. He's slightly undersized for the PF position but he's strong & aggressive. He can play. I'd scoop him up if Toronto cuts him.
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10/17/2010  11:19 AM
Even when we had david lee we finish the season 24th in Rb, thats pretty bad..These players are so out of positon when the ball goes up, it's almost comical. AR,and gallo should be ashamed of themselves.`
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BRIGGS
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10/17/2010  11:20 AM
knicks1248 wrote:Even when we had david lee we finish the season 24th in Rb, thats pretty bad..These players are so out of positon when the ball goes up, it's almost comical. AR,and gallo should be ashamed of themselves.`

coaching--terrible

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10/17/2010  11:43 AM
This (rebounds) is one thing about d'Antoni's style play. If you shoot early in the shot clock because you are open as you are supposed to no guarantee there is anyone in position to rebound. Long rebounds I suppose should occur to ease this on the offensive side. Again make the shot no rebound.

On the defensive side too many in close to the basket...obviously they are bothering shots, going for the block and getting steals or the score with the starters on the floor would be far worse. When the ball goes up the guards could do a better job of getting in position if it is a long rebound and our front court could do a much better job boxing out.

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10/17/2010  11:59 AM
Please not Josh Boone
Knicks have to make a roster move to make the rebounding better

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