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what do you think the current price for Melo is?
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fishmike
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10/15/2010  3:07 PM
RealGM is posting Melo still wants to bolt.

If I am Denver I would be asking for at least 1 first rounder and Chandler, Gallo and AR. Knicks could probably move Fields and Douglas for a late first rounder to someone.

Your rotation would look like:
bigs: Amare, Mosgov, Turiaf
forwards: Melo, Walker
guards: Felton, Azubuke, Rautins, Mason

Your starting line up would prob be:
C Turiaf
PF Amare
SF Melo
SG Walker
PG Felton
bench: Mosgov, Rautins, Mason
Azu would probably be the starting SG if / when he's healthy.

You now have no cap space opportunities to improve the team (namely PG or Chris Paul). Your draft picks (what you didnt use in the Melo trade) will be late first round at best.

The future improvement of your team is pretty much on Mosgov's shoulders. He's shown some nice flashes and potential for sure. If he becomes a real defensive/rebounding presence and gives you say 12ppg, 12rpg, 2blk and shoots > 50% you have a shot at being an elite team. If Mos is a poor man's Rik Smits and picks up 4 fouls every 25 minutes then your looking at 2nd round and out at best for the next few years.

MLE (if there is one) could get you a decent player. Maybe a guy like Battier, Michael Redd, etc

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10/15/2010  3:12 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/15/2010  3:35 PM
I suggest you get NBA League Pass and watch some Denver games. Carmelo is very good. The guy was getting to the foul line at will and didnt just settle for jumpers.

With Gallo and Randolph playing like they are we wont be getting Melo anytime soon.

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10/15/2010  3:17 PM
Gallo and AR have to play much much better for that offer to be accepted.

I worry that Gallo and AR might be affected this season by the rumors.

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10/15/2010  3:18 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/15/2010  3:23 PM
considering if Denver is patient and waits till 12/15, which all indications are that they will be, it is possible that they could consider Mozgov an asset that they would be interested in as the future replacement for Nene.

If you build a deal around Moz you still include Curry's expiring and one of our young players. Azubuike should be healthy by then and I would bet that would be their first choice...so Moz, Curry and a healthy Az for melo....and we still might have the rumored 1st rounder or our 2 second rd picks. If not Azubuike...then maybe Fields.

Between the 3...Gallo, Randolph and Moz...Moz could very well be our best chip right now

yeah...i dunno, but I bet it would get it done

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10/15/2010  3:31 PM
You know, Denver is right. Our yoots are not worth enough yet.

Thats cool. If Favors and two no.1 picks are what they can get and Melo is down for that I can live with that.

Its not that Gallo and AR are supervalueable in the trade market, its just not enough to get Melo, and any more ia price we can't afford to pay.

And if Melo won't sign off, then its all moot.```

If thats the case Denver can be happy with the cap space they get with nothing to show at seasons end.

C Turiaf
PF Amare
SF Melo
SG Walker
PG Felton
bench: Mosgov, Rautins, Mason

If you do that, we got cap space? Picks? How you gonna improve much on that?

That don't look too good.

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10/15/2010  3:31 PM
AnubisADL wrote:I suggest you get NBA League Pass and watch some Denver games. Carmelo is very good. The guy was getting to the foul line at will and didnt just settle for jumpers.

wtf ???

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10/15/2010  3:35 PM
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:I suggest you get NBA League Pass and watch some Denver games. Carmelo is very good. The guy was getting to the foul line at will and didnt just settle for jumpers.

wtf ???

I edited my post.

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10/15/2010  3:37 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:I suggest you get NBA League Pass and watch some Denver games. Carmelo is very good. The guy was getting to the foul line at will and didnt just settle for jumpers.

wtf ???

I edited my post.

I still don't get it. I don't see where the OP said that Melo wasn't good or that he just settled for jumpers. Am I missing something?

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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10/15/2010  3:37 PM
No way I trade Mozgov or AR at this point. In fact, I am leaning against trading at all unless (as I have said) it's Gallo and junk. We can't screw up our team and lose all the flexibility we now have just to land Melo. He'll come on his own.
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10/15/2010  3:42 PM
Let Denver flop in the wind. Carmelo right now has very little value because of the situation he is in. Everyone knows he wants out. He has already told people he wants to play for NY. Any team that gets him now will only get a very expensive 1 year mercenary. No other team will touch him. I am playing hardball on their arses now. Turiaf/Azubuike/Curry and a couple of 2nd rounders for Melo. That's it.
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10/15/2010  3:44 PM
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:I suggest you get NBA League Pass and watch some Denver games. Carmelo is very good. The guy was getting to the foul line at will and didnt just settle for jumpers.

wtf ???

I edited my post.

I still don't get it. I don't see where the OP said that Melo wasn't good or that he just settled for jumpers. Am I missing something?

A package of Gallo, Randolph, Chandler, and a pick still isnt that great.

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10/15/2010  3:44 PM
Moonangie wrote:No way I trade Mozgov or AR at this point. In fact, I am leaning against trading at all unless (as I have said) it's Gallo and junk. We can't screw up our team and lose all the flexibility we now have just to land Melo. He'll come on his own.

C Amare
PF Gallo
SF Melo
SG Walker or Azubuike
PG Felton

bench - Douglass, Turiaf, Randolph, Rautins etc...

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10/15/2010  4:19 PM
Rookie wrote:
Moonangie wrote:No way I trade Mozgov or AR at this point. In fact, I am leaning against trading at all unless (as I have said) it's Gallo and junk. We can't screw up our team and lose all the flexibility we now have just to land Melo. He'll come on his own.

C Amare
PF Gallo
SF Melo
SG Walker or Azubuike
PG Felton

bench - Douglass, Turiaf, Randolph, Rautins etc...

I don't think Stat would be too psyched to play the 5, as he has repeatedly said. Also, the extra banging probably isn't too good for his knees. He is a natural 4, and Moz looks like he may be a bonafide starting center. I think it makes much more sense to trade Gallo (who I am and have always been a huge fan of) just because he plays the 3, like Melo.

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10/15/2010  4:28 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:I suggest you get NBA League Pass and watch some Denver games. Carmelo is very good. The guy was getting to the foul line at will and didnt just settle for jumpers.

wtf ???

I edited my post.

I still don't get it. I don't see where the OP said that Melo wasn't good or that he just settled for jumpers. Am I missing something?

A package of Gallo, Randolph, Chandler, and a pick still isnt that great.

Well then this whole debate is moot then isn't it? The Knicks don't have the assets to get Melo. Can't believe we wasted so much time debating trading for a player we can't get anyway.

I know Melo is a great player and AR/Gallo/Chandler are still young and raw but I think you are guilty of overrating Melo and underrating the youths on this team.

Out of curiosity have you read this?

http://dberri.wordpress.com/2010/10/01/what-carmelo-anthony-might-cost-the-bulls-besides-money/

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10/15/2010  4:29 PM
totally agree...just think that Moz is our most tradeable asset. I think Denver would ask for him in any deal
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10/15/2010  5:11 PM
forgot to add...it was rumored that they wanted Lopez from the Nets and Noah from Chicago. I think they are going to want Mozgov from the Knicks...just sayin'
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10/15/2010  5:59 PM
Rookie wrote:forgot to add...it was rumored that they wanted Lopez from the Nets and Noah from Chicago. I think they are going to want Mozgov from the Knicks...just sayin'

This is a good point. They're going to want size. I guess they see Nene as a PF? Or they don't want to re-sign Nene and want to get his replacement when they trade Melo.

Denver's asking price is too high for anyone in the league to meet it now. Even New Jersey can't find a straight up match and has had to try to make complicated four-way deals come together.

If Denver's asking price gets more reasonable the Knicks might be able to get in the game. But right now - no way.

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10/15/2010  6:13 PM
Doesn't matter what the askimg price is. Denver has a deadline and Carmelo won't just re-sign anywhere. Denver will have to cave soon or lose Melo for nothing at the end of the year. The only thing they got on melo is the deal on the table. He can be sign and traded for more money. Melo is still going to get a big pay day regardless. So who will give in first? Melo, Demver, or another team? I'm betting on Melo or Denver. No one has to give up big assets and they know it.
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10/15/2010  6:20 PM
tj23 wrote:Doesn't matter what the askimg price is. Denver has a deadline and Carmelo won't just re-sign anywhere. Denver will have to cave soon or lose Melo for nothing at the end of the year. The only thing they got on melo is the deal on the table. He can be sign and traded for more money. Melo is still going to get a big pay day regardless. So who will give in first? Melo, Demver, or another team? I'm betting on Melo or Denver. No one has to give up big assets and they know it.

Did Cleveland lose Lebron for nothing? Did Toronto lose Bosh for nothing? Denver is going to get picks at a minimum. Better to get picks and a trade exception than take back garbage.

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10/15/2010  11:29 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
tj23 wrote:Doesn't matter what the askimg price is. Denver has a deadline and Carmelo won't just re-sign anywhere. Denver will have to cave soon or lose Melo for nothing at the end of the year. The only thing they got on melo is the deal on the table. He can be sign and traded for more money. Melo is still going to get a big pay day regardless. So who will give in first? Melo, Demver, or another team? I'm betting on Melo or Denver. No one has to give up big assets and they know it.

Did Cleveland lose Lebron for nothing? Did Toronto lose Bosh for nothing? Denver is going to get picks at a minimum. Better to get picks and a trade exception than take back garbage.

Where are they getting these picks? Melo has stated he wants to play in NY. NJ and ChiTown maybe but unlikely. No other team is going to get them fair value because Melo will not going to sign the extension.

what do you think the current price for Melo is?

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