BRIGGS wrote:Both are setting up way 26 feet from the basket way to much. This is a coaching problem and needs to change. Run set plays for both early in the game in the low block to set game flow from inside out.

Running set plays for Randolph and Gallo? Seriously man they have the earn that. I mean we can blame D'Antoni for not maximizing the guys abilities but we cant blame him for Randolph's terrible play. Randolphing forcing shots and turning the ball over are his own doing.

Gallo can easily take a few dribbles in if he needs to get closer to the rim. Gallo is comfortable jacking those 3's which is why he floats to his spots.

nixluva wrote:

JohnWallace44 wrote:AR definitely has a post up game. Briggs is 100% right on this one.

Mozgov was setting up on the 3pt line in the 2nd half too, which is insanity.

You guys don't understand the offense. The purpose of the spread floor is to make it harder for defenders to pack the paint or give help inside. If the defense doesn't come out to guard the guys at the 3 pt line it doesn't mean they have to jack up a 3. That is one of the problems with the thinking of players that 1st come into this system. They don't immediately see how to get into other areas of the floor or how to create space for their own offense based on what the defense is doing. Often that takes time.

If you have Felton, Gallo, Chan on the floor with Amar'e and Timo, what does Timo do while Felton and Amar'e are trying to work PnR? He initially can stand at the 3, but once the defender takes his attention off of Timo, he can cut to the basket and present himself for the pass. The same goes for any of the other guys. You have to develop a rhythm and sense of timing with that tho, so that you don't get in the way of Amar'e. All of this takes time. I saw Gallo drive a couple of times yesterday. I saw AR make cuts and try to get inside a few times. This is gonna take time and people seem to be oblivious to how hard this is.

Case in point who was there on GS that had a game like Amar'e? So if AR is out there at the same time he's got to learn how to play off of him. Now when he's out there without Amar'e he's got to learn how to function in that instance as well. He needs TONS more reps catching, faking and driving for a pull up jumper or going all the way. He's got to get the PnR down pat.

Except every opponent thus far has still packed the paint against us, and is perfectly fine with us launching 30 threes a game.

It's not enough to just have shooters to spread the court. We need a guard who can actually capitalize on the extra spacing and get into the paint, and create for others. This is probably the biggest reason we're 3-pt chucking with no offensive flow, cause no one can actually get inside. The only two exceptions are Chandler and Amare...except those two players hardly look to pass when they make their drive.

scoshin wrote:

nixluva wrote:

JohnWallace44 wrote:AR definitely has a post up game. Briggs is 100% right on this one.

Mozgov was setting up on the 3pt line in the 2nd half too, which is insanity.

You guys don't understand the offense. The purpose of the spread floor is to make it harder for defenders to pack the paint or give help inside. If the defense doesn't come out to guard the guys at the 3 pt line it doesn't mean they have to jack up a 3. That is one of the problems with the thinking of players that 1st come into this system. They don't immediately see how to get into other areas of the floor or how to create space for their own offense based on what the defense is doing. Often that takes time.

If you have Felton, Gallo, Chan on the floor with Amar'e and Timo, what does Timo do while Felton and Amar'e are trying to work PnR? He initially can stand at the 3, but once the defender takes his attention off of Timo, he can cut to the basket and present himself for the pass. The same goes for any of the other guys. You have to develop a rhythm and sense of timing with that tho, so that you don't get in the way of Amar'e. All of this takes time. I saw Gallo drive a couple of times yesterday. I saw AR make cuts and try to get inside a few times. This is gonna take time and people seem to be oblivious to how hard this is.

Case in point who was there on GS that had a game like Amar'e? So if AR is out there at the same time he's got to learn how to play off of him. Now when he's out there without Amar'e he's got to learn how to function in that instance as well. He needs TONS more reps catching, faking and driving for a pull up jumper or going all the way. He's got to get the PnR down pat.

Except every opponent thus far has still packed the paint against us, and is perfectly fine with us launching 30 threes a game.

It's not enough to just have shooters to spread the court. We need a guard who can actually capitalize on the extra spacing and get into the paint, and create for others. This is probably the biggest reason we're 3-pt chucking with no offensive flow, cause no one can actually get inside. The only two exceptions are Chandler and Amare...except those two players hardly look to pass when they make their drive.

Yes, this group has the potential for 48-52 wins, but that won't likely happen until this group has 30+ games under their belt, if not a whole season.

scoshin wrote:

nixluva wrote:

JohnWallace44 wrote:AR definitely has a post up game. Briggs is 100% right on this one.

Mozgov was setting up on the 3pt line in the 2nd half too, which is insanity.

You guys don't understand the offense. The purpose of the spread floor is to make it harder for defenders to pack the paint or give help inside. If the defense doesn't come out to guard the guys at the 3 pt line it doesn't mean they have to jack up a 3. That is one of the problems with the thinking of players that 1st come into this system. They don't immediately see how to get into other areas of the floor or how to create space for their own offense based on what the defense is doing. Often that takes time.

If you have Felton, Gallo, Chan on the floor with Amar'e and Timo, what does Timo do while Felton and Amar'e are trying to work PnR? He initially can stand at the 3, but once the defender takes his attention off of Timo, he can cut to the basket and present himself for the pass. The same goes for any of the other guys. You have to develop a rhythm and sense of timing with that tho, so that you don't get in the way of Amar'e. All of this takes time. I saw Gallo drive a couple of times yesterday. I saw AR make cuts and try to get inside a few times. This is gonna take time and people seem to be oblivious to how hard this is.

Case in point who was there on GS that had a game like Amar'e? So if AR is out there at the same time he's got to learn how to play off of him. Now when he's out there without Amar'e he's got to learn how to function in that instance as well. He needs TONS more reps catching, faking and driving for a pull up jumper or going all the way. He's got to get the PnR down pat.

Except every opponent thus far has still packed the paint against us, and is perfectly fine with us launching 30 threes a game.

It's not enough to just have shooters to spread the court. We need a guard who can actually capitalize on the extra spacing and get into the paint, and create for others. This is probably the biggest reason we're 3-pt chucking with no offensive flow, cause no one can actually get inside. The only two exceptions are Chandler and Amare...except those two players hardly look to pass when they make their drive.

Really good points. PG play-making is what we lack. If we could stick TD's mental makeup and personality into Starbury's basketball body/abilities, we'd have our man. Wish we could snatch Nash or make a play for CP3/Deron as the final cog to our contender status. Heck, even Rubio might get it done, though that's less of a sure thing. I WOULD give up Chandler to get Rubio still, just because a play-making PG is the key to MDAs offense.

I think that it's entirely reasonable to expect this group to start a bit shaky, but get better and better as we move along. I don't expect that Felton will be this lost all season, nor that AR will either. All of these guys have played better than they're showing right now and I think they'll level off soon and show up better. MDA has said already that he is letting AR try to do as much as possible early on, but that he'll eventually trim things down in the regular season. He's letting him figure things out right now and not putting restrictions on him just yet. Mike has to let him fall on his face in order to learn and now is the time to do that.