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Seems David Lee is doing the same numbers. Did we make a mistake trading him? Would we be better off with him and Amair?
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Papabear
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10/13/2010  9:14 AM
Papabear Says

I always Liked David Lee even though his defense was suspect. I've found though for big men a lot of great scorers were not great rebounders. Now a few are both. I wish Lee was still a Knick and until AR proves me wrong I will feel that way.

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10/13/2010  9:16 AM
No we didnt make a mistake trading him because we didnt want to pay him.
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10/13/2010  9:23 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/13/2010  9:24 AM
AnubisADL wrote:No we didnt make a mistake trading him because we didnt want to pay him.

Papabear Says

Why not? We overpay everyone else! and I think Lee would have taken a little less to stay.

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10/13/2010  9:30 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/13/2010  9:33 AM
Would The Answer Man Would Never Start a, "We shoulda kept Zach Randolph" revisionist/ rear view mirror thread?

A. No

Q. Papabear - Did we make a mistake trading him?

A. No

Q. Papabear - Would we be better off with him and Amair?

A. No

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10/13/2010  9:36 AM
misterearl wrote:Sheesh

why not the, "We shoulda kept Zach Randolph" revisionist/ rear view mirror thread?

Gimme a break

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So what you are saying is that we now have a much better team without Lee. Keep Amire out of the equasion. Zach Randolph is a 20/10 player every night. Put the right players with him and they could do damage. Now do I think Zack deserve 17 - 18K? Hell no!

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10/13/2010  9:39 AM
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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10/13/2010  9:42 AM
In the advanced statistics world, a lot of people are very bullish on Lee. So you could make the argument that trading Lee away for a bunch of potential was a mistake and that we should have kept him instead. The problem is that we would need to pair Lee with a defensive presence... and none were really available as a FA. All of the players we got in exchange for Lee are good defenders (Turiaf/Azubuike/Randolph). An Amare/Lee pairing would not have been ideal as both occupy the high post and we would not have any enforcer types in the box.

An ideal pairing with Lee for D'Antoni's system would be a Biedrins type... but those types of players don't grow on trees.

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10/13/2010  9:43 AM
I really think the think that Amure adds is he is a goto player. In crunch time who would you rather have on the court...Lee or Amore?
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10/13/2010  9:43 AM
ahhh a papabear thread. haven't seen one of these in a while. if amare's name was ever going to be butchered this was going to be the culprit
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10/13/2010  9:46 AM
nyk4ever wrote:if amare's name was ever going to be butchered this was going to be the culprit

Amair
Amire
Amure (really, Andrew?)

lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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10/13/2010  9:53 AM
The Knicks would be giving up 130 PPG with Lee and Amare as our two big men.

From what I've seen so far, Amare's lateral movement on D is minimal at best, although he has the toughness Lee lacked. Lee might actually be able to stay in front of the guy he is guarding if he cared, but he is about as tough as a stick of soft butter. They would not have made a good pair on D.

Both players need to be paired with a rugged defensive big man for optimum performance.

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10/13/2010  9:56 AM
David Lee doesn't instill confidence in the other players. Amare does that is why you take Amare over DLee.
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10/13/2010  10:32 AM
I would have liked to see Amare and DLee. I think DLee's near automatic midrange game would have really helped space the floor.

Rebounding is going to be a big problem for us.

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10/13/2010  10:45 AM
kam77 wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:if amare's name was ever going to be butchered this was going to be the culprit

Amair
Amire
Amure (really, Andrew?)


Stop hatting.
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10/13/2010  10:56 AM

ITs ok to ask the question.

BOth are 4's so its redundant. Amare does not want to play center long term. Dlee is undersized to play it again.

Dlee salary got spread around to fill other gaps. Mason, Felton, Rony, upside AR, Bukk'e and of course the Moz.
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10/13/2010  11:12 AM
crzymdups wrote:I would have liked to see Amare and DLee. I think DLee's near automatic midrange game would have really helped space the floor.

Rebounding is going to be a big problem for us.


that was always my thought. Lee would be the center, and thats certainly not ideal from a defensive standpoint. However your a great rebounding team, and Lee shoots 55% and has one of the best jumpers for a bigman. He's also become one of the best passers and I thought their games would compliment. I also thought it was a good investment. He was an all star with a squeeky clean image, good teammate, super hard worker, etc...

Amarray is clearly the better player and a true go to scorer, where Lee was a guy who played good BB while filling out the stat sheet quite nicely. There is a huge difference in impact there, but I do think they could have complimented each other.

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10/13/2010  11:46 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/13/2010  11:48 AM
Vmart wrote:David Lee doesn't instill confidence in the other players. Amare does that is why you take Amare over DLee.

Word. Statistics mean diddly in the hearts of men. Leadership is a quality of character and attitude, not numbers. It's great to put up a consistent 20/10, but if you're being given a huge contract to be the leader of a team, that isn't enough.

Amare has the intangibles that make him worth a max deal to lead our team, regardless of his lateral agility on defense. That's what we pay AR and the Moz to do. Now if we could just sign Melo as a FA, we will become a team with true grit (though perhaps not defensive tenacity, but that has yet to be seen), the sort that pushes back against fluffy stat-padding teams like The Heat and smacks them square in the jaw.

It will be really interesting to watch next season! Bring on The Oak as asst. coach for toughness... please.
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10/13/2010  12:03 PM
BlueSeats wrote:
kam77 wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:if amare's name was ever going to be butchered this was going to be the culprit

Amair
Amire
Amure (really, Andrew?)


Stop hatting.

LOL

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10/13/2010  12:46 PM
david lee's total package dwarfs amere's.
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10/13/2010  12:55 PM
Marv wrote:david lee's total package dwarfs amere's.

I don't think they have posed nude in a side-by-side comparison, so you must be talking about basketball. I'd say they're about even on the offensive end. Lee has a clear advantage in rebounding. Amare wins on toughness. Lee was quite the hustle guy, so I give him an edge there, too. Neither do much on defense, but if I were an opposing PG, I'd feel much more inclined to frolic in the lane guarded by Lee than I would if Amare were prowling.

As for the intangibles I mentioned above (i.e., leadership qualities), Amare is leaps and bounds ahead of David. And that's what we sought in signing him: Someone to inspire and lead by example.
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