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It's Way Too Early, But If Andy Rautins Plays Like A Leader It Could Be A Better Screenplay Than A Bronx Tale
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misterearl
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10/11/2010  9:52 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/11/2010  9:54 PM
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"The other interesting sight at Monday’s lengthy (nearly 2 1/2-hour, including film session) practice was Andy Rautins running the blue “first team” at the point."

Where have you gone Nate Robinson?

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10/12/2010  7:54 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/12/2010  7:56 AM
Andy looked good at the open practice.

Really seemed comfortable out there whether it was running in transition and then pulling back to hit an open jumper or whether it was running a beautiful pick and roll with Ewing Jr. that led to an alley-oop jam. He is showing signs of becoming a good role player on this squad.

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10/12/2010  8:54 AM
All i know is that there will some grumbling on the bench, cause at the end of the day, you can't play 11 guys. If felton continues to struggle you can't bench your captin, also trying to find chemistry playing so many guy's is a recipe for disaster (in most cases)..Hubbie brown was one of the more successful coaches who ran with 11 guy's in memphis.

I think mike will probably run 10/11 guys for the first few weeks, but by Dec you have got to set a 9 man rotation or else were going to go back to that LB shhht, 50 starting line ups. Andy may get some minute's here and there, but your not going to bench felton or TD (both have work so hard) or play all three.

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10/12/2010  9:28 AM
I think that Rautins was a D'Antoni favorite in the pre-draft workouts, and yes, in his dreams he envisions Andy as a poor man's Steve Nash.

It would be great for the team if Rautins turns out to be rotational quality player, but what may be even more enjoyable is going back and looking at the SL posts which crucified poor Andy.

I'll have to see what I wrote back then, just to make sure that I was not one of the guys crucifying him, but I generally don't make snap judgments (A great NPR show, by the way- you should try to hear it http://snapjudgment.org/), and hope that I was not as judgmental as some of you were.

I was not happy with Rautins in SL, but like Douglas the year before, you have to be patient.

Some of you might have also read that Lance Stevenson, besides his mental problems, is also having trouble playing D according to the Pacers, and I'm not sure that they are as excited about him as they were following his SL performance.

So it goes.

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10/12/2010  9:49 AM
If he can truly play PG--then at 6-4 he would have significant size advantage over many players. That being said throw him out there against Rondo on Wed if you want to know what is up. Playing 6 minutes in the 4th Q means very little right now. Im always for letting the best man play. If rautins is playing better than Douglas or Felton--then let him start. The best 5 should play contract or experienced be da*ed. Felton has been a letdown so far--maybe not be anointing the position will help him step up.
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10/12/2010  10:52 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/12/2010  11:09 AM
I don't know why I got all angry after the draft. Kneejerk reaction w/o really thinking it through..Looking back I think we did extremely well considering where we were picking -- we got a 6'4"/6'5" shooter with smarts, a handle and solid court vision at 38, a 6'7" SG/SF with obvious NBA skills @ 39 (lets be honest, Fields was a sleeper pick in every sense of the word) and then shortly after 2 solid, legit center prospects both over 7 foot, one of which was allowed to go play overseas in Serbia because we suddenly found ourselves with a surplus of size rather than our usual shortage (you can actually make a case that that was a mistake perhaps -- maybe Jerome Jordan should've been allowed a chance to make the team or at least told that he was definitely part of the future plans once Curry's out of the picture [hopefully he was told just that] and then signed & convinced to start his career in Reno under the Knicks' watchful eye --- do we really need PEJ or Shawne Williams over another 7 footer?? Not really with Fields on the roster right? It's early but it's not like JJ is getting big mins in Europe right now -- he's only averaging about 10-11 mins/game through the first 5 games or so. He probably would've gotten more PT in the DL. Plus I like the fact that we could've promoted him to the big club if the need ever arose. I think he would've been worth the roster spot). I also like that these guys all had some experience, either in Europe (Moz) or in the States as mature upperclassmen in college. They're all solid role players that should contribute and have an impact when given their opportunity. You can make an argument that there were a few players that had more talent (I liked the overall talent level of Sylven Landesberg and Willie Warren myself when thinking about trying to get the most bang for our buck) but it's hard to come away feeling unhappy with who we added.

Rautins is definitely intriguing -- the game against Minny was a small sample but it looks like the dude can definitely play some point. Someone mentioned on another thread that he reminded him of Kirk Hinrich..Very interesting comparison, that very well could be.

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10/12/2010  10:57 AM
The one thing that Rautins has going for him is that he keeps his head up when he drives, and I think by playing the point, it'll allow him to drive more, as opposed to being a spot-up 3-pt shooter on the wing, like he was in summer league.

I admit I didn't like Rautins in SL cause I figured we drafted him to be a knockdown shooter -- yet he was bricking shots in SL. So my knee-jerk reaction was we wasted a second round pick on a role player who can't even play his role. But Rautins at backup point is intriguing. I don't think he's a catch-and-shoot player.

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10/12/2010  11:09 AM
If Rautins has a solid enough handle and court vision to play point, couldn't we move TD over to backup SG? I mean he is really more of a combo-scoring guard, not a true point. He hasn't thrilled with his play-making ability, and seems to be more of a scorer and defensive stopper. Is he tall enough to play the 2?
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10/12/2010  11:21 AM
Athletic PG's are going to DESTROY Rautins. This guy is going to be collecting DNP's when the season starts.
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10/12/2010  11:33 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/12/2010  11:34 AM
How tall was Sun Yue again, earl?
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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10/12/2010  1:55 PM
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Q. kam77 - How tall was Sun Yue again?

A. Six inches taller than Jeremy Lin

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10/12/2010  2:19 PM
BRIGGS wrote:If he can truly play PG--then at 6-4 he would have significant size advantage over many players. That being said throw him out there against Rondo on Wed if you want to know what is up. Playing 6 minutes in the 4th Q means very little right now. Im always for letting the best man play. If rautins is playing better than Douglas or Felton--then let him start. The best 5 should play contract or experienced be da*ed. Felton has been a letdown so far--maybe not be anointing the position will help him step up.

Maybe that is what MDA was trying to do by letting Rautins play with the starters- send a little message to Felton, who would have to notice if Rautins was doing well with the starting squad.

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10/12/2010  2:57 PM
As I thought when we drafted Ruatins, the thoughts of molding him into a PG is the ideal low risk high reward project to do when you think about him being a 2nd rd pick.

You know he can shoot lights out, you know he has high bball IQ. So making him a high reward pg project with a 2nd rd pick was not a bad Idea at all. He just needs to put nonstop work into his handle.
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10/12/2010  6:38 PM
I like that we are playing him at PG and putting the ball in his hands. In this system it may be more about decision making and shooting than shear athleticism and break down ability. Rautins is easy to root for and I hope he continues to progress. We can use all the smart players we can find around here.

Positives for Rautins:

- b-ball IQ
- court vision
- shooting
- length for point position
- passing
- solid defender

Negatives for Rautins:

- confidence
- breaking down people off the dribble (getting into the paint)
- experience
- durability (remains to be seen)

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10/13/2010  12:20 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/13/2010  12:21 AM
You don't need THAT much athleticism to do a pull up jumper. To me, that's one of the key things a PG needs to do in D'Antoni's system as they run the break. Rautins has the IQ and shooting ability to do that basic play. Once teams have to start worrying about the pull up J, you can start breaking down their defenses easier because the passing lane from the PG position should open up.

From there, the team just has to play smart, high percentage basketball. Take the open shot, ball movement, drive if the defender is up on you too much, etc.

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10/14/2010  3:18 PM
Dude did not look anything remotely close to how he did in paris against the mini...wtf was up with that god awful Shot with 8 secs to play..you would have thought it was .8 secs left.. funny how small negatives can out weigh big positives
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10/14/2010  3:26 PM
misterearl wrote:6'5

"The other interesting sight at Monday’s lengthy (nearly 2 1/2-hour, including film session) practice was Andy Rautins running the blue “first team” at the point."

Where have you gone Nate Robinson?

The turnaround not even looking at the rim before he let go shot with 7-8sec on the clock was out of the school of Nate Robinson

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10/14/2010  3:41 PM
knicks1248 wrote:Dude did not look anything remotely close to how he did in paris against the mini...wtf was up with that god awful Shot with 8 secs to play..you would have thought it was .8 secs left.. funny how small negatives can out weigh big positives

only in your eyes. Dude did some OK stuff out there on the court for me, especially for a 3 PG off the bench.

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10/14/2010  5:01 PM
martin wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:Dude did not look anything remotely close to how he did in paris against the mini...wtf was up with that god awful Shot with 8 secs to play..you would have thought it was .8 secs left.. funny how small negatives can out weigh big positives

only in your eyes. Dude did some OK stuff out there on the court for me, especially for a 3 PG off the bench.

Like what...maybe stats do lie

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10/14/2010  6:10 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
martin wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:Dude did not look anything remotely close to how he did in paris against the mini...wtf was up with that god awful Shot with 8 secs to play..you would have thought it was .8 secs left.. funny how small negatives can out weigh big positives

only in your eyes. Dude did some OK stuff out there on the court for me, especially for a 3 PG off the bench.

Like what...maybe stats do lie

Drove and made a pretty dish to Turiaf, which Turiaf fumbled cause he didn't expect the pass.

Also played pesky defense on Ray Allen.

Yeah he made a blunder with that 3-pt chuck with 8 seconds left, but maybe that was the play D'Antoni drew up, and Rautins (being the rookie) kept to the play instead of realizing that Boston defended it well and they had to improvise something new. Or maybe he thought he felt contact early, and hoisted up a shot thinking he'd get 3 FT's.

Who knows? But it was his first game as an NBA player at MSG...and that's a textbook rookie mistake. He'll learn from it.

It's Way Too Early, But If Andy Rautins Plays Like A Leader It Could Be A Better Screenplay Than A Bronx Tale

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