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Olbrannon
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10/10/2010  9:40 PM
by The Guy@ RealGM (it's not being there but)

Today was the first time I've attended the Knicks Free Open Practice, since it was last held at MSG, the year they booed Allan Houston. It was in '05 I think.

This year I have to say it was much better organized. I got there around 1115am, thinking it started at 11am and was a full 45 min early for practice. The Garden was about 60% full.

Anyway, when I arrived there were 3 Knicks out already doing extra shooting with the Assistant Coaches; Andy Rautins, Timofey Mozgov, and the biggest revelation of the day......Shawne Williams!!

Rautins was knocking down open shots at a good clip, as was Mozgov with the 15 footer, but Shawne Williams was near automatic. Whether it was the midrange or the 3, dude could not miss.

The open practice started around 12 noon. Amar'e Stoudemire got by far, the loudest ovation when they announced the players individually, as they came out of the tunnel. Standing ovation.

Players did some light stretching, ball handling drills, and agility drills before they started running 3 man fast break drills.

First drill I believe was a 3 on 3 fast break drill for 90 seconds. Next was a another fast break drill, team to score 3 baskets first, wins.

Then they scrimmaged. Here's my take on who stood out:

MOST DOMINANT

Timofey Mozgov - Looked surprisingly good. He played extremely hard, and blocked shots, and had some really nice dunks in the scrimmages and fast break drills. Part of this may be because there was nobody close to his size out there guarding him, but he looked really good.

Danilo Gallinari - As much as I've killed him over the years, I gotta give credit where credit is due. Gallinari was very impressive today. Right off the bat, he looks completely different athletically. He seems to be running with alot more fluidity in the open court, and looks faster and jumped higher than I've ever seen before. He also went almost went at it with Anthony Randolph trying to grab a loose ball from him. I loved that even though this was a public exhibition, an open scrimmage, neither player gave an inch and were both fighting for the ball tooth and nail like it was a playoff game.

Toney Douglas - He flat out, outplayed Raymond Felton. Badly. Dude is a straight up pitbull on defense. He was by far the most impressive guard out there, hitting threes, and pushing the ball very well.

Amar'e Stoudemire = Amar'e brought the house down several times with a few crazy dunks, hit a 3 pointer, and did just about everything that was expected of him today.

IMPRESSIVE

Wilson Chandler - Is slowly getting back his athleticism, and looks very good running the floor and shooting from the perimeter.

Anthony Randolph - Looked great running the floor, finding the open man in the open court and during half court sets, and even knocked down a 3. He's a much better ball handler and passer than I ever thought.

Andy Rautins - Shot the lights out, and looked good playing PG. He reminded me a little of Kirk Hinrich. He defended well, and looked like he belonged out there.

Shawne Williams - I'll be honest, I sort of gave up on this kid. I followed him while he was playing for John Calipari at Memphis, but once he got to the NBA, I just completely forgot about him. Dude's been bouncing around the NBA from team to team, getting in trouble with the law, and I was really disappointed when the Knicks announced they invited him to training camp.

Williams looked really smooth out there. He reminds me alot of a better shooting Qyntel Woods. He's long, athletic, very versatile, handles the ball very well, and is a very good finisher on the break, or even in the half court on drives to the hoop. He's multi-skilled, and I would not be shocked if he made the team. He looked better in some drills than Wilson Chandler, Patrick Ewing Jr, and Landry Fields.

Roger Mason Jr. = Was knocking down midrange jumpers all day.

NEUTRAL

Landry Fields - Was ok today, but didn't really stand out.

FAILED TO IMPRESS ME

Raymond Felton - Looks more and more like Chris Duhon every time I see him. He got outplayed by Andy Rautins and Toney Douglas.

Patrick Ewing Jr. - He looked great at the beginning of the scrimmage guarding Amar'e blocking his jump shot, not once, but twice, but other than that, didn't really do anything of notice.

Ronny Turiaf - Looks like a back up to me.

MOST PLEASANT SURPRISE

At the end of the open practice, Kelenna Azubuike took the court for some non contact running drills, and 1 on 0 basketball drills and he looked good. He seems to be running with no limp or any indication of a serious injury, so hopefully he'll be back soon.

and a video clip via nybomber3 and youtube

Guys need to give Felton some time to gel with his teammates. We talkin' practice here.

Bill Simmons on Tyreke Evans "The prototypical 0-guard: Someone who handles the ball all the time, looks for his own shot, gets to the rim at will and operates best if his teammates spread the floor to watch him."
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nixluva
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10/10/2010  10:20 PM
Good stuff. I was wondering if anybody went to the open practice. I'm really glad that TD and Rautins are showing good signs, cuz I think we're gonna need them during the season. I'm really hoping that Felton come around. I seem to remember Duhon looking bad in the preseason his 1st year and then he came out on fire and was the MVP of the 1st half of the season. Duhon was good in yr 1 he just got exposed and overworked. He wasn't a starter. Felton tho should be able to sustain solid play once he figures things out.
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10/10/2010  10:24 PM
Discussion on the thread somehow meanders to philosophy thread here
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Starksfor3 wrote:

TheBluest wrote:Thanks Starksfor3.....

So Gallo is regulated to being our statue although we supposedly have Mason/Fields/Rautins/Douglas who can shoot with range

Maybe people will consider me a Gallo apologist for saying this but I'd like to see what kind of player Gallo would be under Larry Brown (for example). I think this system is just entirely too chuck and duck. Don't know if it's intended to be that or not but that's what I've seen anytime it's been run without Steve Nash. But there's something to be said about the efficacy of grind-it-out halfcourt basketball. And I believe I've seen enough of Gallo that he can be more than just a guy who survives in the NBA because of an above average three-point stroke.


I kinda agree.
Part of my grand scheme is we get Melo and then when MDA doesn't seal the deal, we fire him and become a half court team. Which would make most of our players better utilized on the court. Kinda extreme? Maybe. I like Mike as a coach, but I don't think the style we play can really get it done in the playoffs. I think Gallo, Amare, TD, Felton, Fields, Turiaf, etc., Eddy even, while not what you necessarily what you call plodders (except for Eddy) are not the ideal runners (Amare the exception there) to make this "system" work. I really think most if not all would be deadly in a more deliberate half court system, playing at a slower pace, using some post ups and isos with greater emphasis on defense (sorry Mike). Amare can be Karl Malone and Melo (could be), our Bernard King. Then all this finding the perfect center or point guard stuff would be out the door. Two stars, a third emerges and a high-level role player, fill-in-the-blank specialists and energy off the bench. That's championship stuff there. The point is with the guys we have, in this system, they are almost guaranteed to be incomplete players because of the style of play encouraged. Do you see these guys grinding out an ugly, 81-77 point win on the road? We have the personnel (even without Bernard-er, Melo) to but not the philosophy.

Bill Simmons on Tyreke Evans "The prototypical 0-guard: Someone who handles the ball all the time, looks for his own shot, gets to the rim at will and operates best if his teammates spread the floor to watch him."
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10/10/2010  10:32 PM
Please don't quote TheBluest aka True Blue.

He's one of the worst posters of all-time.

"Our attitude toward life determines life's attitude towards us." - Earl Nightingale
Olbrannon
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10/10/2010  10:34 PM
Practice clip 2 via nybombers3
Bill Simmons on Tyreke Evans "The prototypical 0-guard: Someone who handles the ball all the time, looks for his own shot, gets to the rim at will and operates best if his teammates spread the floor to watch him."
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10/10/2010  10:39 PM
Childs2Dudley wrote:Please don't quote TheBluest aka True Blue.

He's one of the worst posters of all-time.

he really is. At least his whole post wasnt full of those ridiculous nicknames he always used

Beat the Evil Empire. BEAT MIAMI
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10/11/2010  1:59 AM
Ya know it goes unnoticed that even without a good PG last year and with all the selfish players we had, this team still managed to be a good assist team. People bash MDA for a lot of things, but his system even when run horribly does tend to help create more ball movement and sharing. Just imagine now with some guys that should be a bit more willing to pass to each other.

With regard to Gallo. The only thing holding Gallo back is Gallo. He's got the green light to go to the hole whenever he wants. Contrary to popular belief, Mike loves his players to get to the foul line. It's high efficiency BB. The more we get other shooters going on this team, the less Gallo will feel compelled to stick to the the 3pt area. We absolutely need his shooting until others start to step up so that teams don't pack it in the paint on us, to try and stop Amar'e.

Let's remember that Amar'e isn't a back to the basket big. He needs space to operate in. That requires great shooting to keep defenders honest. The chicken or the Egg? In this case it's the ROOSTER, cuz Amar'e can't get off with a crowd around him so we MUST establish a serious threat to score at a high clip from 3.

That guy TheBluest wrote about the virtues of grind it out BB, but how many of those teams have won recently? The Lakers are certainly not that kind of team. The only teams that really were somewhat successful grinding it out last year were Houston and Charlotte. That's not how this team was built. We have to allow time for these players to get it together.

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10/11/2010  8:30 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/11/2010  8:32 AM
I think raymonds out of shape, and although he's a notorious slow starter, he came in a month before TC, so there is definitely a measure or concern. Duhon some how pick this offense up really quickly in 08, he just tailed off rather quickly by january of 09.

It's not unusual for vets to have a suspect camp, then take off once the BELL rings, hopefully thats the case here.

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10/11/2010  9:15 AM
I agree on Felton. The guy looks about 10-15 pounds too heavy. You would have thought he would have really spent the summer conditioning his body. Considering he is a relative nobody in the league and now is the starting point guard of the knicks coming off a important summer for the franchise. Hopefully he gets it going out there. It's just two preseason games, but no excuses. If you can play you can get people the ball and get to the rim period.
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10/11/2010  10:15 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/11/2010  10:18 AM
Raymond is a big body type. His compact type body makes him look heavy.

The kid has to peel the shackes of Larrys half court offense to a adapt to MDA freenzy approach.

They had a week of practice then took it to the continent.

Ray never had a superstar like Amare to completely feed and take care of.

Excuses? Naw, just reasons.

THe hype is good but its going to take some pain to adjust.

IN a way he has big shoes to fill. Not Du-Du's, but Nash!

MDA and Amare both had Nash. Im sure Raymond watched a lot of Suns film trying to learn the system and see what Nash did. This is not "Larry Ball" we talking about.

Raymond came from the UNC Tar Heal system and the last two year had Larry who's Tar Heal Blue is deep in his DNA.

Lets just hope Rubio is learning it.

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10/11/2010  10:21 AM
Felton: based on the way he's played against us, I would be absolutely blown away if he had a bad season. The LB system is so taxing on the point guard, the switch to Mike D'Antoni's has to be a lot easier from a production standpoint. I almost think that he has so many choices that he's confused. He isn't supposed to be the greatest pick and roll PG, but that can't be very tough to pick up. Its a basic play that he's been doing since peewee ball.

Mason: From what I've seen of him in pressure defense situations, he is so good on that side of the ball that I just need him to be adequate on offense, forget being "Money Mase." Just set people up and get to the line until your shot comes back man.

Gallo: The light switch needs to come on in a hurry. When you're trying to make the playoffs, you can't have a key player who is on one day and completely off the next. You can only win one game a night, so his great shooting nights don't get us two wins or anything. Its almost impossible to win when a starter goes 3-13. We need those nights to go away.

Chandler: I smell a breakout year. Especially if he can be the guy who Amar'e can consistently kick it out to. Early on, he seems to be the guy who will benefit most from our new personnel.

Rautins: You can't knock the kid's smarts or hustle. (I get that these are Canadian racial stereotypes) Dude seems to have the NBA 3pt line down at the moment, and he looks like a guy who can come in for a few minutes in a full court press scenario and thrive in short bursts.

Randolph: I have a quick way to fix the rebounding problem. Give AR a role, not an ambiguous slot on the team. If he's your center and his stated role is to rebound. I'm pretty sure he'll close that rebounding gap to a point where we're not losing games because of it. If you lose his 3pt shooting because of him playing in the post... that's probably a positive anyway. He needs to play in Jeffries' position (MikeD edition), just with a much better skill set.

Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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10/11/2010  12:26 PM
I think Mike is allowing AR to do a lot of stuff just so he can see what he's capable of so far. I fully expect that he'll trim things down as we get near the season, in order to simplify things for AR and help him to be more productive. The idea of him being a better version of Jared is probably right for this stage of his career. I will reserve final judgement on that tho cuz last year once he got things figured out he was very productive in all facets of the game. You don't want to stunt the growth of that much talent.

I think Felton is simply going thru what Duhon did when he 1st got here. Remember how bad he looked in preseason? Then he came on strong in that 1st year. Felton likely will have the same sort of emergence. His job is the toughest of any new player.

Very upbeat about Rautins. This is making it clear why Mike and Donnie wanted this kid. You can see that he's perfect for this system. Smart, skilled, decent athlete, good pedigree, winning mentality and he hustles. You add that to a guy that can handle the ball and shoot 3's and you've got a perfect MDA guard.

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