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grillco
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10/6/2010  12:05 PM
Supposedly Walsh is still working on getting a 1st round draft pick for trade leverage. But how does everyone feel about the suggestion that he'd use it to land Fernandez instead of Melo?

I like the team as currently constructed AND I can appreciate how Rudy would compliment the team, but isn't the goal to compete for, contend for, and maybe WIN a championship. I know how others love the current team as well, but I don't see how Rudy would get the Knicks closer to the goal of a ring. I do see that Melo paired with Amare would be a HUGE step in that direction, even if it cost the team a lot of its youth. So if Walsh can get this first round he's so confident about, why would he use it to pair with a player for Rudy instead of a package for Melo?
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10/6/2010  12:12 PM
Walker and Chandler are pretty interchangeable. One is a little better on offense, one is a little better on defense. If you could trade one to get a pick. You're not losing much because you have the other one as backup.

What we don't have is a real shooting guard. If Rudy is that guy for us and its a one-for-one trade, then you make that move.

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10/6/2010  12:14 PM
grillco wrote:Supposedly Walsh is still working on getting a 1st round draft pick for trade leverage. But how does everyone feel about the suggestion that he'd use it to land Fernandez instead of Melo?

I like the team as currently constructed AND I can appreciate how Rudy would compliment the team, but isn't the goal to compete for, contend for, and maybe WIN a championship. I know how others love the current team as well, but I don't see how Rudy would get the Knicks closer to the goal of a ring. I do see that Melo paired with Amare would be a HUGE step in that direction, even if it cost the team a lot of its youth. So if Walsh can get this first round he's so confident about, why would he use it to pair with a player for Rudy instead of a package for Melo?

I think Rudy is an ideal fit for the Knicks... they need a true SG and a G that moves the ball. Acquiring him would kill two birds
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10/6/2010  12:18 PM
I would be psyched if Walsh did this as it serves two purposes:

1. It gets us the SG we need
2. It makes clear that we are not going to trade away our core to land Melo when we can just wait and get him as a FA or for a reasonable trade (i.e., Curry, Gallo, two 2nd rounders)

So it's not a bad move at all. But I am not too big on Rudy, so...
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10/6/2010  12:31 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/6/2010  12:32 PM
Just getting Rudy straight up for the pick has a better chance to preserve our core.. Have to see the details on what we have to give up though. If we have to give up TD I am not in favor of that trade... we need ball handlers on this team.
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10/6/2010  12:39 PM
Depends on the cost of the pick. If its for Wilson, then Im ok.

I like Wilson, but he is a small Forward.

ANd I'd have to say Rudy in a Euro style system might do much better than he has in portland.

Gotta think that, or don't do it.

Same with Melo. Can he also make those around him more effective.
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10/6/2010  12:41 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/6/2010  12:41 PM
JohnWallace44 wrote:Walker and Chandler are pretty interchangeable. One is a little better on offense, one is a little better on defense. If you could trade one to get a pick. You're not losing much because you have the other one as backup.

What we don't have is a real shooting guard. If Rudy is that guy for us and its a one-for-one trade, then you make that move.

huh....Chandler is better at defending and scoring than Walker is. Maybe I misunderstood you

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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10/6/2010  12:41 PM
Nalod wrote:Depends on the cost of the pick. If its for Wilson, then Im ok.

I like Wilson, but he is a small Forward.

ANd I'd have to say Rudy in a Euro style system might do much better than he has in portland.

Gotta think that, or don't do it.

Same with Melo. Can he also make those around him more effective.

No way! Im not trading W Chandler for Fernandez.

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10/6/2010  12:49 PM

we could use him...but the price is still to high....pick and a player, no thanks
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10/6/2010  12:54 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
Nalod wrote:Depends on the cost of the pick. If its for Wilson, then Im ok.

I like Wilson, but he is a small Forward.

ANd I'd have to say Rudy in a Euro style system might do much better than he has in portland.

Gotta think that, or don't do it.

Same with Melo. Can he also make those around him more effective.

No way! Im not trading W Chandler for Fernandez.


what if it keeps a Melo trade from happening?
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10/6/2010  12:59 PM
Nalod wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Nalod wrote:Depends on the cost of the pick. If its for Wilson, then Im ok.

I like Wilson, but he is a small Forward.

ANd I'd have to say Rudy in a Euro style system might do much better than he has in portland.

Gotta think that, or don't do it.

Same with Melo. Can he also make those around him more effective.

No way! Im not trading W Chandler for Fernandez.


what if it keeps a Melo trade from happening?

How much do you want to give up for Melo? Its disturbing that some people do not understand that we may have to give up an awful lot to get him and then we are capped out with no picks and a reduction in current players. Its a recipe to be stagnant and a 2nd round playoff failure.

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10/6/2010  1:01 PM
Really like his passing and BB IQ.
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10/6/2010  1:10 PM
Rudy may be the most underutilized talent in the league. I think it's maybe his defense that could be the reason he doesn't get more of a look on Portland. Still for the right price he would be a really good pickup for this team. Teams would have HUGE problems guarding this team with Felton/Amare running the PnR and Gallo and Rudy on the perimeter wreaking havoc. I can understand why MDA and Donnie are still interested in making that happen. I love Chan, but he's redundant on this roster and isn't a SG.
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10/6/2010  1:11 PM
I rather trade for Marco Belinelli than give up assets for Rudy Fernandez.
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10/6/2010  1:21 PM
Most folks missed the main twist: Do you use the draft pick to get Rudy INSTEAD of using it to get Melo? With the idea that Melo brings the team closer to championship contention via his play and potential to attract other players to NYC. I'd go with Melo over Rudy, although the cost is obviously and massively higher.
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10/6/2010  1:22 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
Nalod wrote:Depends on the cost of the pick. If its for Wilson, then Im ok.

I like Wilson, but he is a small Forward.

ANd I'd have to say Rudy in a Euro style system might do much better than he has in portland.

Gotta think that, or don't do it.

Same with Melo. Can he also make those around him more effective.

No way! Im not trading W Chandler for Fernandez.

I agree, I don't see it as an upgrade, just a different player with arguably less overall skills.
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10/6/2010  1:26 PM
AnubisADL wrote:I rather trade for Marco Belinelli than give up assets for Rudy Fernandez.

And Rudy's value supposedly dropped when he threatened to go back to Spain. Since this makes him unappealing to other teams, the Knicks shouldn't be using one significant and one yet to be acquired asset to get a hold of a whiner. Again, a guy with great potential, but Curry had a endless potential as well...he's not likely to end up like Curry, but it's not potential that matters it's effort and skill (and development of said skill).
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10/6/2010  1:28 PM
I actually prefer Rudy over Melo. Maybe I'm alone.
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