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kam77
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9/28/2010  10:33 PM    LAST EDITED: 9/28/2010  10:34 PM
All these commentators talking about how we got cap room for 2011.

Well assuming Carmelo is out of the picture... and assuming we can't get a RFA like Marc Gasol or AL Horford

the UFA market looks weak... we don't need a Parker... we've already done the ZBO Crawford route...

slim pickings out there. we might sign a couple of these guys but not for big money.

so how does this team take the next step?

PGs
Tony Parker

SFs
Caron Butler
Grant Hill
Andrei Kirilenko
Shane Battier
Tayshaun Prince

Cs
Yao Ming
Samuel Dalembert
Tyson Chandler

Shooters
Michael Redd
Pedrag Stojakovic
Steve Novak
Mike Dunleavy Jr.,

Scorers
Jamal Crawford
Jason Richardson

Rebounders
David West
Carl Landry
ZB0
Glen Davis
Nick Collison
Reggie Evans
Chuck Hayes
Craig Smith
Kurt Thomas

lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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Moonangie
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9/28/2010  10:35 PM
CP3 opts out of his contract and becomes a FA, so we sign him or S&T for him. Failing that, we continue to develop our core and maintain cap flexibility for the following summer, or use that flexibility to acquire picks.

But I think we will be too busy building around Melo starting next summer to worry much about it.

kam77
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9/28/2010  10:37 PM
CP3 can't opt out til 2012.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
martin
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9/28/2010  11:27 PM
Why isn't Carmelo Anthony on that list?
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9/28/2010  11:35 PM
I'd sign Yao Ming to a cheap contract and give him a shot but I doubt he leaves Houston, even if he's injured.

Another guy that interests me is Kirilenko. But again, at not even close to what he makes now.

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martin
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9/28/2010  11:36 PM
Not sure I remember anyone anointing 2011 the next round of Big Free Agents. 2012 definitely.

Besides. Knicks will maintain cap flexibility for trades or to wait.

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9/29/2010  12:03 AM
The cool guys always make it work.

Donnie is.

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9/29/2010  1:26 AM
Not the best looking FA class, but the real "myth" is that cap space is only important for picking up free agents, since being able to make an unequal salary trade can be just as important as acquiring a FA.
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TMS
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9/29/2010  3:20 AM
kam77 wrote:slim pickings out there. we might sign a couple of these guys but not for big money.

so how does this team take the next step?

don't worry... we can always wait til 2015 when John Wall becomes a FA.

After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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9/29/2010  5:38 AM    LAST EDITED: 9/29/2010  5:39 AM
Good post Kam...I agree with you, it does look fairly weak assuming that the top 3 or 4 guys are all off the board quick like you suggested (not sure if I'm into giving Marc Gasol huge money anyway--is he really a great fit for this D'Antoni team?? For our purposes, he may not even be better than the centers we already have on the roster like T Mozgov..Horford's a very good young center I could be interested in but Atlanta's nuts if they let him go). It goes back to what I said on the Melo thread the other day -- Amar'e just signed a 5 year deal. This guy turns 28 years old this November. The clock is ticking. The idea should be to team him up with a bonafide STAR and consider making a run at the top competition the league has to offer ASAP..You wanna say that next star player is already on the roster (AR, Gallo, Chandler), hey maybe, but we don't know that for sure..What we do know for sure is that Melo is a BONAFIDE STAR...If you don't want Melo that's fine, name me a better player we can get to team up with Amar'e to make a run at Miami and whoever else.. We don't get Melo, that next star player will have to come via trade and those KG type blockbuster deals are pretty hard to execute...Those type of trades definitely aren't a dime a dozen, that's for sure.
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9/29/2010  8:09 AM
"You wanna say that next star player is already on the roster (AR, Gallo, Chandler), hey maybe, but we don't know that for sure..What we do know for sure is that Melo is a BONAFIDE STAR."

The proper timing is critical and it looks like we now have the luxury of doing things right. We have the time to discover whether AR or Gallo demonstrate that they have what it takes to become a second "star player" for the Knicks. If the do, we can go in the direction of finding more complimentary pieces. If they appear only good and not great, we can certainly make a move to add Melo to our team next year, without giving up on AR and Gallo as compensation.

I agree that Melo is a genuine superstar, but it seems to me that in D'Antoni's style of play, chemistry, and in particular an unselfish moving of the basketball are critical. Proof of that point is how several of the extremely valuable members of the former Phoenix Suns, didn't have anywhere near the same amount of value when they were transferred to another team. The key to making the Knicks better is not just about adding a "BONAFIDE STAR". Its about finding complementary players with the ability to pass the ball well and unselfishly and the ability to shoot accurately when they are open. Is Melo automatically a better contributor to the Knick's future success. than AR or Gallo? I don't think it is clear at this point. Which means giving up Gallo and AR for Melo wasn't automatically the right move imo.

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9/29/2010  8:25 AM
I think there will be a S&T for a super star, but if we over achieve, Donnie is going to have a tough time breaking up the core of the team, especially if Felton, gallo, and AR become a stars.
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9/29/2010  9:07 AM
knicks1248 wrote:I think there will be a S&T for a super star, but if we overachieve, Donnie is going to have a tough time breaking up the core of the team, especially if Felton, gallo, and AR become a stars.

I think you used the concept "overachieve," once before. The simple fact is that we don't know what level certain players are going to reach, so the idea of "overachieving" is meaningless at this point. The Knicks ending up with a better record that YOU think they will, or should, reach, is not necessarily overachieving.

None of us know how Gallo and AR will end up- will they become solid starters, minor stars, or even more. None of us know if Felton will come into his own under MDA. We don't know if Mosgov is the real deal, or if Fields will become a solid rotational player. Has Douglas improved? Will Azubuike get back to his pre-injury form, and how many steps can Chandler climb until he has reached his full potential...Or has he reached that level already?

Too many variables on this very young team to talk about overachieving, and what you consider overachieving might simply be the natural evolution of a youthful and talented team which still has a lot of room to grow.

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9/29/2010  9:07 AM
There aren't big names per se, but there are good players on that list. Shane Battier, Carl Landry, Reggie Evans are all valuable players. This team can also use good shooters... if Redd proves healthy this year he's worth a minimum contract or mid level if the Knicks exceed expectations this year and is looking for 1-2 more pieces. Tyson Chandler strikes me as a decent Center at the right price as well.

There aren't any players that will make a team a lot better if they are sucky now (heh, check the Cavs this year without Lebron for an example) but those kinds of players are very rare. I don't consider Carmelo to be one of those players.

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9/29/2010  10:16 AM
This makes me want to get Carmelo this season even more because there are a number of players that might play for the MLE next summer that could really solidify this squad.
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9/29/2010  10:42 AM
EwingsGlass wrote:This makes me want to get Carmelo this season even more because there are a number of players that might play for the MLE next summer that could really solidify this squad.

what would you rather have?

Melo + one of those guys @ at the MLE?
or
Melo + Gallo, Douglas, etc

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9/29/2010  10:53 AM    LAST EDITED: 9/29/2010  11:24 AM
TMS wrote:
kam77 wrote:slim pickings out there. we might sign a couple of these guys but not for big money.

so how does this team take the next step?

don't worry... we can always wait til 2015 when John Wall becomes a FA.

LOL Good post.

A lot of Knick fans are starting to notice something. Guys we are on a never-ending treadmill. Building a team through free agency is a bad idea. Virtually every championship team had to build through the draft and then supplement their team with free agents to win.

Next years free agent class is mediocre at best. The year after that we have to hope and pray again that a good free agent, or two will want to join the Knicks, but without a top flight player from the draft to attract them to this team their will never be enough to not only attract the best free agents but we wont have enough to become a championship dynasty. Building first with the draft allows us to keep our costs low while making our team attractive to fa's. Instead we will continue to add and go through free agents, merry-go-round style, which only leads us to getting knocked out in the mid to low level of the playoffs. Perennial playoff losers, just like the Pacers, just like the Suns.

Moonangie
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9/29/2010  11:31 AM
subzero0 wrote:
TMS wrote:
kam77 wrote:slim pickings out there. we might sign a couple of these guys but not for big money.

so how does this team take the next step?

don't worry... we can always wait til 2015 when John Wall becomes a FA.

LOL Good post.

A lot of Knick fans are starting to notice something. Guys we are on a never-ending treadmill. Building a team through free agency is a bad idea. Virtually every championship team had to build through the draft and then supplement their team with free agents to win.

Next years free agent class is mediocre at best. The year after that we have to hope and pray again that a good free agent, or two will want to join the Knicks, but without a top flight player from the draft to attract them to this team their will never be enough to not only attract the best free agents but we wont have enough to become a championship dynasty. Building first with the draft allows us to keep our costs low while making our team attractive to fa's. Instead we will continue to add and go through free agents, merry-go-round style, which only leads us to getting knocked out in the mid to low level of the playoffs. Perennial playoff losers, just like the Pacers, just like the Suns.

This argument has been debunked a number of times on this forum, including in a few interviews with Donnie himself. The draft is NOT the only way to build a contender (e.g., Boston Celtics, Miami Heat, et al). What's more, we have already removed the possibility of building through the draft by signing Amare to a five year deal. That means we will not have a lottery pick anytime soon.

We are going to build through FA by adding a second star and then attracting veteran guys who still want a chip to sign for MLE or less.

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9/29/2010  11:40 AM
just because we didn't draft guys doesn't mean we don't have young players. we have one of the youngest teams in the league and we just added to that mix a perennial two-way all-star and have the capspace to add another. IF we got melo in FA, how can you tell me that a team of felton, gallo, ar, melo and amar'e won't compete in this league. i seriously don't understand how ANYONE can grumble about that team.
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9/29/2010  11:40 AM
Knicks have the 7th lowest team in the league age-wise (don't know what it would be if you took Curry out of equation). Main cogs in their rotation are going to be AR, Gallo, Chandler, Douglas, Moz (21, 22, 23, 24, 24). Fields (22) will play. I guess the Knicks did not literally draft AR or Moz, but how would it be any different if they did?

Melo, OJ Mayo (RFA), CP3, Deron, Tony Parker could all be upgrades in coming years.

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