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fishmike
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9/27/2010  8:40 AM
Looks like MDA is playing the traditional type line up with I agree with, especially when you consider how much overall size we have.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/27/sports/basketball/27knicks.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss


Curry is only 27. But the Knicks are not waiting for a renaissance. They stockpiled big men this summer, acquiring Amar’e Stoudemire, Ronny Turiaf, Anthony Randolph and Timofey Mozgov, all of whom are ahead of Curry on the depth chart.

Although it is early, D’Antoni’s training camp lineups have generally served as an accurate indicator of his preferences. Turiaf, a career backup, has been playing center on the first unit so far, alongside Stoudemire (who can also play center). Mozgov and Randolph, two promising prospects, are anchoring the second-unit frontcourt.

I would prefer to see AR off the bench. While he might have the highest ceiling I expect his play to be a bit erratic. He gets out of control and a bench role will let the coaches real him in a bit. No reason he cant play 30 minutes a night off the bench at any of the frontcourt positions.

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9/27/2010  9:07 AM
I am gonna guess that Moz will eventually start over Turiaf. Maybe at the beginning of the season, maybe 10-20 games in.
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9/27/2010  9:21 AM
martin wrote:I am gonna guess that Moz will eventually start over Turiaf. Maybe at the beginning of the season, maybe 10-20 games in.

I think Timo will start opening day once he show what he can do in the pre-season.

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9/27/2010  9:59 AM
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martin wrote:I am gonna guess that Moz will eventually start over Turiaf. Maybe at the beginning of the season, maybe 10-20 games in.

I think Timo will start opening day once he show what he can do in the pre-season.

I hope that happens too, but it may take him a while to get used to the NBA game, especially the fouls.

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9/27/2010  10:08 AM
At the very least Rony Starts in France and gets minutes at home.

Also, he is the proven Vet. You don't hand anything to anyone until they earned it.

Moz has to prove himself in practice and on the court.

Eddy is not in the conversation for now.

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9/27/2010  10:29 AM
Also from all the taining camp quotes, it seems Landry Fields is working his way into the rotation, and Bill Walker is working himself out of it.
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9/27/2010  10:53 AM
I'd still really like to see the super frontcourt of:

SF Gallo
PF Amare
C AR

play your best players and make teams adjust to you. that's a load of length, athleticism and scoring ability for any team to contend with.

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9/27/2010  11:08 AM
smackeddog wrote:Also from all the taining camp quotes, it seems Landry Fields is working his way into the rotation, and Bill Walker is working himself out of it.
hearing the same thing. Walker was NOT good in the summer, he simply couldnt hit shots. I think Fields is a much more skilled player. Walker can have some good moments but is really a Shandon Anderson type. Good hustle bench guy, but going to get exposed if he plays heavy minutes.
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9/27/2010  11:14 AM
crzymdups wrote:I'd still really like to see the super frontcourt of:

SF Gallo
PF Amare
C AR

play your best players and make teams adjust to you. that's a load of length, athleticism and scoring ability for any team to contend with.


I like starting size and defense. Turiaf makes sense to start the year. He's like a Tony Battie. modest stats but good passer, exellent shot blocker. Good center size at 6'10 with a big wingspan. He's pretty skilled for a hustle guy. It lets the Knicks put Amare on the weaker post player to start the game also.

I picture Douglas and AR coming in off the bench bring speed and defense.

Reminds me of when the KNicks started Ewing, Kurt, LJ, and Houston, then brought Camby/Spree off the bench and that was your main rotation.

I like the idea of starting big with Felton, Chandler, Gallo, Amare, Turiaf with Douglas and AR as your main bench guys (no reason AR cant or wont get 30 minutes). Let Mason, Walker, Fields, Azu, etc fight for that 8th spot with Mosgov getting spot minutes until he's ready.

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9/27/2010  11:26 AM    LAST EDITED: 9/27/2010  11:31 AM
AR just doesn't feel right to me at the 5 for a lot of reasons. On offense I guess you can argue that it could work -- Randolph is 6'11" & he absolutely could draw bigger/slower 'traditional' centers out and either shoot mid-range jumpers on them (AR's been saying his jumper's much improved btw---can't wait to see it starting this Sunday!!!) or drive past them fairly easily with his length & quickness but I really gotta question if he has the post skills and the strength to play right under the rim on offense on a steady basis (he's a lot of things offensively but is he a 'dump the ball in down low and let him go to work' type guy? He probably could do that though I gotta say, I've seen a lot of this guy since he turned pro and I haven't really seen him play like that at all. That's just not his game to me...

Although it could work on offense that's just one aspect --- defense is a different story. To me a man with his shot-blocking instincts and athleticism (not to mention the lack of sheer strength and girth that you normally associate with a big man trying to guard the post) does not belong being pinned down low trying to guard bigger/strong guys that are just as tall. For one thing, it's physically taxing and I'm not into subjecting this guy to any unnesessary roughness, not with his body type and injury history..I'm into keeping him as fresh as possible..Second, I believe it neutralizes what he does best on defense which is serving as a quick roving big helping out others..I'm into keeping him as mobile on defense as I can--that's where he'll continue to shine defensively--as a help defender--not as the primary one-on-one post defender trying to out-muscle the post threat and push him off the block.

Consider this Utah video:

Now if Randolph was the Boozer defender in this clip getting backed down by Shaq how would he be able to roam and help the way AK-47 did on back to back plays?? He wouldn't. Defensively he would be neutralized. To me it's simple -- Mike's the offensive guru -- if he thinks he can get the most out of AR at the 5 offensively in a particular matchup, I'm all for it..But defensively on a sustained basis, I don't see him as the primary post defender against bigger guys. I'd wanna give him the freedom to roam defensively a-la Andre Kirilenko. I think that's where he's at his best and that's where the team can most benefit from his shot-blocking..

Just curious -- where did Amar'e come out and say he did not want to play the 5? Anyone have any video of that anywhere?? Someone on the board mentioned that he said that so I guess he did but I haven't heard him say that anywhere and it really goes against everything he's been saying recently. There's personal preference and then there's what's good for the team. I gotta believe Amar'e is into whatever's best for the team..We'll have to see but I feel the team might be at it's best with Amar'e at the 5, AR at the 4 and Gallo at the 3. Those are probably the best 3 frontcourt players we have -- in order to utilize them all properly at the same time together, Amar'e's gonna have to play some 5. I just don't see any way around it. To me if we play it like that, now we got the round peg, the square peg and the triangle peg all in their proper holes..

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9/27/2010  11:28 AM
some more:
Through the first two days of training camp, Russian 7-1 center Timofey Mozgov has been better than advertised. He's solidly built, poised, good hands – a real presence. He's knocked down 3's. He shoots righty but is more comfortable going left on the dribble, making him even tougher to guard.

During the scrimmage Sunday, "Mozgov on the Hudson'' bolted down the left of the lane for a running banker. Some raised their eyebrows when the Knicks shelled out $9 million over three years for the unknown 23-year-old. But it could be a bargain.

One league executive told me if Mozgov was in the draft, he'd be a late lottery pick. He's looking more than that.

The Russian has caught Amar'e Stoudemire's eye.

"He's adjusted quickly,'' Stoudemire told me. "I'm very surprised how good he really is. He's going to be force if he keeps studying and working the way he has been.''

His only weakness so far is his English. In my first interview attempt, he didn't understand most of my questions. Mike D'Antoni said it hasn't been a problem yet. D'Antoni said he's got a high basketball IQ to make up for the language barrier.

"I'm sure in a group setting he probably misses some things,'' D'Antoni said. "But one thing I do know, once he's got it, he's got it. Once he understands it, he's a very smart basketball player.''

"Down the road, his English will be perfect,'' D'Antoni added. "His English will be great in two months. He'll pick it up like that. I've had experience with European guys. I don't think it's an issue now.''

While Eddy Curry already has "tight hamstrings'' preventing him from finishing up yesterday's scrimmage, D'Antoni said of Mozgov, "He's an athlete.''

Mozgov has been playing with the second string. But he makes No. 1 Ronny Turiaf look like a small forward when they stand together.

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9/27/2010  11:36 AM
fishmike wrote:some more:

Some raised their eyebrows when the Knicks shelled out $9 million over three years for the unknown 23-year-old. But it could be a bargain.

This is the Berman Knick Blog article- that quote made me laugh as wasn't it Berman himself who a few weeks ago trashed the signing of Mosgov and claimed Walsh had way over paid him?!

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9/27/2010  11:37 AM
smackeddog wrote:
fishmike wrote:some more:

Some raised their eyebrows when the Knicks shelled out $9 million over three years for the unknown 23-year-old. But it could be a bargain.

This is the Berman Knick Blog article- that quote made me laugh as wasn't it Berman himself who a few weeks ago trashed the signing of Mosgov and claimed Walsh had way over paid him?!

I think you are correct.

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9/27/2010  11:44 AM
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"During the scrimmage Sunday, "Mozgov on the Hudson'' bolted down the left of the lane for a running banker. Some raised their eyebrows when the Knicks shelled out $9 million over three years for the unknown 23-year-old. But it could be a bargain."

- Marc Berman today

Some raised their eyebrows? Note that no names were quoted.

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9/27/2010  12:00 PM
Berman is doodoo but at least now he as actual stuff to write about as opposed to just making stuff up.
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9/27/2010  12:04 PM
fishmike wrote:Berman is doodoo but at least now he as actual stuff to write about as opposed to just making stuff up.

Two guys too fat to make it to practice today: Eddy Curry and Marc Berman.

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9/27/2010  12:10 PM
my favorite part:

Mozgov has been playing with the second string. But he makes No. 1 Ronny Turiaf look like a small forward when they stand together.

As a franchise, we need some luck. Why can't we get lucky for once and have Timo turn into Sabonis 2?

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9/27/2010  12:24 PM
Another snippet which will please some of you- on the offcial site there are vids of D'Antoni and Walsh answering fans questions- on the D'Antoni vid someone asked whether he will stick to the 8 man rotation and he once again stated that it will probably be a 9 or 10 man rotation (second time he's mentioned this so looks like it's going to happen) and maybe even 11. I seem to remember a few people were really hoping for a larger roation:

http://www.nba.com/knicks/video/2010/09/25/camphlamareNBA-1423380 (you need to click on the video you want- it's the most recent D'Antoni one)

Also Walsh explained that the reason he signed Ewing JR was when he found out Azubuike wouldn't be ready- he sees Ewing Jr as bringing the same type of game (at least defensively)

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9/27/2010  12:27 PM
crzymdups wrote:
fishmike wrote:Berman is doodoo but at least now he as actual stuff to write about as opposed to just making stuff up.

Two guys too fat to make it to practice today: Eddy Curry and Marc Berman.

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Taking day off to pack for Milan and Paris. It's Fashion Week in both cities while the Knicks are there. So players will have PLENTY to do.

Fat Eddy at fashion week!

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9/27/2010  12:48 PM
franco12 wrote:my favorite part:

Mozgov has been playing with the second string. But he makes No. 1 Ronny Turiaf look like a small forward when they stand together.

As a franchise, we need some luck. Why can't we get lucky for once and have Timo turn into Sabonis 2?

I never saw his jumper in the worlds but allegedly its pretty solid. We did see him bang and score in a variety of ways in the post and the guy has legit skills. I thought he was clearly bigger and more athletic than Tyson Chandler which says alot. There are not a lot of 7'1 guys with skills and that high a level of athleticism.

But your right... a little luck in landing a low cost stud would be pretty sweet and a long time coming.

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little rotation snippet: Turiaf practicing w/ first unit

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