As the Knicks outlasted the Vince Carter less Raptors , NY fans are acting like they have already played against the big boys in the league. Just like a Virgin mindset You would think this is the 1st time this yr the knicks have won 4 games in a row and the juices are flowing for most knicks fans. The new look knicks have won 4 straight games under Hall of Famer coach Lenny Wilkens, but they also won 4 straight under a much maligned fired coach Don Chaney earlier this season before the Marbury trade. Now comes the challenge of playing away from the garden and against former head coach JVG in Houston on a nationally televised game. With Starbury a lay up is exciting a jump shot too, along with any steals. Garden owner JJames Dolan has to be dancing in the streets over the new found energy provided by THOMAS STARBURY AND CO. Before in the last 4 game winning streak under Don Chaney, they actually won with out the exciting style of Marbury at the point but a poised young 2nd yr guard in Frank Williams. This current roster with penny hardaway and Marbury has fans feeling that this team can battle the big boys in the league for a big playoff run. I for one haven't been convinced yet and believe the honeymoon play is about to be exposed Wednesday even though it seems like it's unbeatable now. If I am wrong,( like many times before) I will be happy and proud to sport my knicks jacket, license plates etc... again.

[Edited by - playa2 on 01/20/2004 08:06:50]

with chaney, did'nt we get torched by chicago and seattle? why are you so skeptical, playa? you were the "glass half full" person and npw that everyone else on the board is positive you want to bust our bubble? i thought you would be excited. have yopu been watching the games? do you see how the garden is rocking again? i have'nt felt this good about my team in awhile. do you dislike thomas too much to only view the bad points? this team is so confidant and comparing f.will, who i love to death, to marbutry is ridiculous. during the win streak you were talking about who did we beat? orlando and miami. powerhouses! we beat orlando practically without a coach! at least seattle could be a playoff team in the west which says something. just be happy and ride the wave.

Frank Williams is getting the shaft because Stephon Marbury is a better player. If you think FWill is better then Marbury then you have something seriously wrong with you.

FWill is a decent player but he is not as good as Marbury is now.

Ps.... you had said that the Knicks were going to lose this game because the Raps play D. And you said this after VC was already injured.

So now all of a sudden they win, and its the carter-less, bad raptors.

Playa has his heart in the right place-the knick bench but is too set on defending his earlier positions. He will come around-he even praised the Houston defense coached by what's his name-oh yes-JVG

Wow... and I just read the end of playa2's thread.... If he's wrong he might bring out his Knicks jacket and plates again? HAHAHAHAHA

So what... you had it out during the Layden era, but the Marbury trade was so embarassing you had to put them away?

Posted by TheSage:

Playa has his heart in the right place-the knick bench but is too set on defending his earlier positions. He will come around-he even praised the Houston defense coached by what's his name-oh yes-JVG

Sage did you acknolewdge Hardcore hard stand against my boy KVH, even though he has been the best knick the last 15 games or so?

I agree FWill should be getting burn over Moochie - to me Norris is like Eisley and Ward, he is basically worthless. FWill has a future in this league. Who knows, we don't run the team so we have no clue why certain players are benched.

Knicks were a work in progress under Chaney and Laydog. Problem was the process was way too long to satisfy its owners, and the Fans.

Laydog needed to be more vocal about this being the team, suck it up, and sell the future. He was trying to balance a sub-contender, with a long range plan. In time, he may have been right. But he had to sell his owner, the fans, and rebuild. Very ambitious task.

Thomas has bought the future in, and the garden rocks.

Playa, embrace and enjoy. Yes, some of us wanted a legit rebuild, but the future has been mortgaged, and if so, then just enjoy the ride where ever it takes. If he can get Crawford for Frank in principal, then its an upgrade. I don't know why Chitown would do it.

Heinrich looks like the real deal. But they need a shooting guard. Curry looked good, but he looked like a 32 year old man with a bad do.

Knicks need to make the playoffs, if our picks go lotto, I go crazy!

I root for Thomas and Wilk to do the right thing.

Funny, Wilk and Thomas are similar. Smooth, good dressers, nice smile, kinda sweet non macho character without being feminine.

Both are successful people. Thomas has his critics, but this is the knicks. Dolan is taking risks with Thomas and we get to see if he is really substancial.

Real test is where this team is in 2-3 years. Do we look back on our success? OR dreading the team is old, over paid, and losing again?

We'll see.......

Posted by Nalod:


Knicks were a work in progress under Chaney and Laydog. Problem was the process was way too long to satisfy its owners, and the Fans.

Laydog needed to be more vocal about this being the team, suck it up, and sell the future. He was trying to balance a sub-contender, with a long range plan. In time, he may have been right. But he had to sell his owner, the fans, and rebuild. Very ambitious task.

Thomas has bought the future in, and the garden rocks.

Playa, embrace and enjoy. Yes, some of us wanted a legit rebuild, but the future has been mortgaged, and if so, then just enjoy the ride where ever it takes. If he can get Crawford for Frank in principal, then its an upgrade. I don't know why Chitown would do it.

Heinrich looks like the real deal. But they need a shooting guard. Curry looked good, but he looked like a 32 year old man with a bad do.

Knicks need to make the playoffs, if our picks go lotto, I go crazy!

I root for Thomas and Wilk to do the right thing.

Funny, Wilk and Thomas are similar. Smooth, good dressers, nice smile, kinda sweet non macho character without being feminine.

Both are successful people. Thomas has his critics, but this is the knicks. Dolan is taking risks with Thomas and we get to see if he is really substancial.

Real test is where this team is in 2-3 years. Do we look back on our success? OR dreading the team is old, over paid, and losing again?

We'll see.......

good post,nalod. we should enjoy every minute of this success becuase we do not know how long it will last. i am one of the spoiled fans from the 90's generation who always thought the knicks will be the upper echelon of teams. then layzie came. now, i fell like a proud fan again. no complaints now but who knows what the future holds.

Posted by playa2:

Posted by TheSage:

Playa has his heart in the right place-the knick bench but is too set on defending his earlier positions. He will come around-he even praised the Houston defense coached by what's his name-oh yes-JVG

Sage did you acknolewdge Hardcore hard stand against my boy KVH, even though he has been the best knick the last 15 games or so?

LOL you want a little more about ya boy KVH's future with the Knicks?? Read this, a GOOD article about it!

http://www.newsday.com/sports/printedition/ny-pow203634190jan20,0,1668389.column?coll=ny-sports-print

[Edited by - HARDCOREKNICKSFAN on 01/20/2004 14:07:14]