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Knixkik
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9/25/2010  8:06 AM
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Now if team president Donnie Walsh's Knicks are to make any drastic improvements during the season, they must hope the Spurs decide to put point guard Tony Parker on the block in mid-December or the Hornets lose enough for point guard Chris Paul to formally demand a trade.

Even if they can't trade for Parker, he will be a free agent in 2011 and the Knicks will have more than enough cap room to snatch him if Anthony, as expected, is out of the picture. Parker's wife, Eva Longoria, acknowledged at a soccer game this summer New York would be a good option.

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I hate to bring up Parker again, but there is consistent talk that he is our best option. If SA looks like a team by january that can make one more run deep into the playoffs, i think we get him over the summer in a sign-and-trade for felton. But if things aren't going as planned in SA and they are hit with the injury bug, i think they will try to shape things up to give the team a new look. They will be in need of a replacement guard as well as a backup SF they have been looking for, and we should have the pieces for a deal. Maybe we can get him for Felton, Buike, and Walker, but if they want Chandler instead of Walker i am still pulling the trigger.

C Turiaf/Mozgov
PF Stoudemire/Randolph
SF Gallo/Field
SG Mason/Walker
PG Parker/Douglas

That should be a team that can finish in 5th or 6th place then cause a first round upset.

Looking towards the summer there would be a need for a good SG. Would you want to spend remaining cap space on one of the SGs on the market, or continue to preserve space? Jason Richardson, Caron Butler, and dare i say Jamal Crawford will all be on the market. I think out of that group Richardson would be the best option because of his size, shooting, and athletic game. Sign him for 7-8 mil per year, and hopefully Randolph is ready to become a center and we are ready. This is a contender for the next 3 years if Stoudemire and Parker stay healthy, and if Gallo and Randolph develop the way we hope.

C Randolph/Mozgov
PF Stoudemire/Turiaf
SF Gallo/Fields
SF Richardson/Walker or Mason
PG Parker/Douglas

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9/25/2010  8:33 AM
I don't think Parker is that much better than Felton to get all hot in the pants about him. Felton is also younger and has been healthier the past few years.
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9/25/2010  8:39 AM
Knixkik wrote:NYPost:

Now if team president Donnie Walsh's Knicks are to make any drastic improvements during the season, they must hope the Spurs decide to put point guard Tony Parker on the block in mid-December or the Hornets lose enough for point guard Chris Paul to formally demand a trade.

Even if they can't trade for Parker, he will be a free agent in 2011 and the Knicks will have more than enough cap room to snatch him if Anthony, as expected, is out of the picture. Parker's wife, Eva Longoria, acknowledged at a soccer game this summer New York would be a good option.

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I hate to bring up Parker again, but there is consistent talk that he is our best option. If SA looks like a team by january that can make one more run deep into the playoffs, i think we get him over the summer in a sign-and-trade for felton. But if things aren't going as planned in SA and they are hit with the injury bug, i think they will try to shape things up to give the team a new look. They will be in need of a replacement guard as well as a backup SF they have been looking for, and we should have the pieces for a deal. Maybe we can get him for Felton, Buike, and Walker, but if they want Chandler instead of Walker i am still pulling the trigger.

C Turiaf/Mozgov
PF Stoudemire/Randolph
SF Gallo/Field
SG Mason/Walker
PG Parker/Douglas

That should be a team that can finish in 5th or 6th place then cause a first round upset.

Looking towards the summer there would be a need for a good SG. Would you want to spend remaining cap space on one of the SGs on the market, or continue to preserve space? Jason Richardson, Caron Butler, and dare i say Jamal Crawford will all be on the market. I think out of that group Richardson would be the best option because of his size, shooting, and athletic game. Sign him for 7-8 mil per year, and hopefully Randolph is ready to become a center and we are ready. This is a contender for the next 3 years if Stoudemire and Parker stay healthy, and if Gallo and Randolph develop the way we hope.

C Randolph/Mozgov
PF Stoudemire/Turiaf
SF Gallo/Fields
SF Richardson/Walker or Mason
PG Parker/Douglas

Im sorry but any team that starts Roger Mason and Turriaf in the same lineup is a sht team. We dont need Tony Parker--why cant we be satisfied with what we have? You have to be nuts if you think Parker and Mason is better than Chandler and Felton--we didnt spend 8mm to just dump Felton. Lets see where the chips fall with what we have--I think so many people will be surprised.

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9/25/2010  8:43 AM
Markji wrote:I don't think Parker is that much better than Felton to get all hot in the pants about him. Felton is also younger and has been healthier the past few years.

My sentiments exactly.

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9/25/2010  8:50 AM
well, I'd like to see how Felton does before committing to going after Parker.

David West, Caron Butler, and maybe even Tim Duncan will be options. Like this past off season, plan B shouldn't be bad

I would go after West. We'd have to reshuffle some of the young assets but that would be one hell of a frontcourt and we'd be able to get one hell of a SG

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9/25/2010  8:58 AM
I don't think people realize what a devastating blow the Nets just gave the Knicks. They basically blocked the Knicks from any championship aspirations. Now do you think CP3 is going to come here. The Nets have a better chance of landing him than the Knicks.
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9/25/2010  8:59 AM
Vmart wrote:
Markji wrote:I don't think Parker is that much better than Felton to get all hot in the pants about him. Felton is also younger and has been healthier the past few years.

My sentiments exactly.

I agree we should probably see what Felton has to offer and i am open to him breaking out, but keep in mind Parker is a 3-time all-star and 3-time champion in his prime. He is vastly underrated here. When healthy he is one of the best PGs in the league who demands a ton of respect on the court. When you want to win, you need winners. If a player like him is available, you go get him.

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9/25/2010  9:03 AM
If Melo does go to the Nets, we have to see what the Nets have to give up if you really want to make a team by team comparison with the Knicks. I don't think it's all doom and gloom. In fact, if the Nets have to give up Devin Harris, my prediction is that Nets team implodes.
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9/25/2010  9:05 AM
Knixkik wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Markji wrote:I don't think Parker is that much better than Felton to get all hot in the pants about him. Felton is also younger and has been healthier the past few years.

My sentiments exactly.

I agree we should probably see what Felton has to offer and i am open to him breaking out, but keep in mind Parker is a 3-time all-star and 3-time champion in his prime. He is vastly underrated here. When healthy he is one of the best PGs in the league who demands a ton of respect on the court. When you want to win, you need winners. If a player like him is available, you go get him.

He is a three time champion. But that just means he played on a very talented team. He is an option no doubt.

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9/25/2010  9:10 AM
knickstorrents wrote:If Melo does go to the Nets, we have to see what the Nets have to give up if you really want to make a team by team comparison with the Knicks. I don't think it's all doom and gloom. In fact, if the Nets have to give up Devin Harris, my prediction is that Nets team implodes.

The Nets team isn't as bad as you think. Last year they went cap clearing and tank mode. With Avery there he is going to turn it around pretty quick. And having Melo there opens the door for others to go there. As of right now if CP3 was available he is more likely to sign with Nets than the Knicks. Melo makes them an attractive destination and with Brooklyn right around the corner.

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9/25/2010  9:31 AM
Your wake does not propel you. Everyone is looking back. Why no voices saying we've got a goodmix of players, let's see where it takes us. Trading our "assets" for the likes of Parker is an old philosophy. Already, it's lets send Felton, Chandler, Gallo for some guy with a lot of miles on him. I am content to cast my fortunes with Donnie Walsh.
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9/25/2010  9:36 AM
Vmart wrote:I don't think people realize what a devastating blow the Nets just gave the Knicks. They basically blocked the Knicks from any championship aspirations. Now do you think CP3 is going to come here. The Nets have a better chance of landing him than the Knicks.

Wait, what? The Nets have a better chance of landing CP3 than the Knicks, just because they got Melo?

Knicks got size, athleticism, youth, and Amare.

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9/25/2010  9:44 AM
Vmart wrote:
knickstorrents wrote:If Melo does go to the Nets, we have to see what the Nets have to give up if you really want to make a team by team comparison with the Knicks. I don't think it's all doom and gloom. In fact, if the Nets have to give up Devin Harris, my prediction is that Nets team implodes.

The Nets team isn't as bad as you think. Last year they went cap clearing and tank mode. With Avery there he is going to turn it around pretty quick. And having Melo there opens the door for others to go there. As of right now if CP3 was available he is more likely to sign with Nets than the Knicks. Melo makes them an attractive destination and with Brooklyn right around the corner.

I'd wait to see how Melo and Avery Johnson get along. I have a feeling the honeymoon would be over if the Nets don't play well in the 1st half of the season.
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9/25/2010  10:08 AM
Sangfroid wrote:Your wake does not propel you. Everyone is looking back. Why no voices saying we've got a goodmix of players, let's see where it takes us. Trading our "assets" for the likes of Parker is an old philosophy. Already, it's lets send Felton, Chandler, Gallo for some guy with a lot of miles on him. I am content to cast my fortunes with Donnie Walsh.

When did anyone mention trading Gallo? The point of this is we can get Parker without trading our major assets. It allows us to have 2 stars and still have most of our young talent. Read a little more carefully next time before you comment.
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9/25/2010  10:20 AM
games are won on the court not by writers saying the knicks failed to land a star player.

We are rebuilding even with Amare. Dude wanted the big bucks and we do need a box office draw.

We finished 2nd in the Lebron-a-Thon and blew some assets trying.

Two years ago melo was seen as a punk ass 2nd tier me first player. Maybe Walsh really did not want him? Maybe he just played along to make sure the price went up and if Carmelo was real about the deal he would have not compromised by signing his extension.

Avery likley wanted Harris out and the big price was Favors. Nets were be miserable at the box office without a draw. Melo does that for them.

This can't always be about "Who's coming" cuz that savior starphuch don't win games.

Maybe we don't make the playoffs without melo but mortgage the future with what he have as assets would be akin to over borrowing on credit and that all catches up with you.

there is always a sale. there are always opportunities to pick up good players.

Melo is not the generational player that Lebron is. Melo is Glenn Robinson or Glen Rice or at best Bernard King. Players who have brief great windows in their career and put up big numbers but body types that break down. Maybe Melo grows strong and has another 5 years at this level. Bernard King we remember as being great but it took a few years and discipline to get it together.

I liked Melo at the right price. He likley found out the knicks were not going to chase him and wanted him to come to them than them mortgaging the future. Melo in the end wanted his money. Can't blame him, but he could have orchestrated his move here at a low low price and THEN we could have used Gallo or AR for a CP3 type deal to take us over the top. Melo at a big price does not take us over the top.

Gallo might be a 24ppg scorer if you give him the touches. 5 years younger and taller he COULD give us something very similar IN the future. The future is uncertain. Starphuching takes the fear of the future out and makes us feel good about NOW. The problem is the reality is the price you pay for that certainty.

Either way, we don't win a title with just Melo and Amare as the dynamic duo.

Whats right for the Nets is not right for the Knicks.

Fear the russian, but not quite yet. We all knew he was going to make a big splash at some point

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9/25/2010  10:37 AM
Now that we have Felton, and unless he absolutely stinks this year and turns into Duhon, I don't see how trading for Parker particularly improves the team- is he that much better? Can't we give felton a chance?

Really, since Lebron didn't sign with us, people are becoming so desperate to sign a star, any star, they're not even thinking clearly- it's like they've been dumped by their wife, found out their wife is now seeing someone else and they're desperately scrambling around to get a new girlfriend to help ease the pain and avoid looking like they've lost.

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9/25/2010  10:56 AM
smackeddog wrote:Now that we have Felton, and unless he absolutely stinks this year and turns into Duhon, I don't see how trading for Parker particularly improves the team- is he that much better? Can't we give felton a chance?

Really, since Lebron didn't sign with us, people are becoming so desperate to sign a star, any star, they're not even thinking clearly- it's like they've been dumped by their wife, found out their wife is now seeing someone else and they're desperately scrambling around to get a new girlfriend to help ease the pain and avoid looking like they've lost.


I am all for giving Felton the chance and i hope he is a lot better than i think he is. Don't get me wrong, i think he can be an above average PG in this system, but is he a top 20 PG even? And yes, Parker is better, a lot better. 3 time all-star, 3 time champion, finals mvp. He's only 28 and has good years left. He's a leader and a winner.
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9/25/2010  11:13 AM
Nalod wrote:games are won on the court not by writers saying the knicks failed to land a star player.

We are rebuilding even with Amare. Dude wanted the big bucks and we do need a box office draw.

We finished 2nd in the Lebron-a-Thon and blew some assets trying.

Two years ago melo was seen as a punk ass 2nd tier me first player. Maybe Walsh really did not want him? Maybe he just played along to make sure the price went up and if Carmelo was real about the deal he would have not compromised by signing his extension.

Avery likley wanted Harris out and the big price was Favors. Nets were be miserable at the box office without a draw. Melo does that for them.

This can't always be about "Who's coming" cuz that savior starphuch don't win games.

Maybe we don't make the playoffs without melo but mortgage the future with what he have as assets would be akin to over borrowing on credit and that all catches up with you.

there is always a sale. there are always opportunities to pick up good players.

Melo is not the generational player that Lebron is. Melo is Glenn Robinson or Glen Rice or at best Bernard King. Players who have brief great windows in their career and put up big numbers but body types that break down. Maybe Melo grows strong and has another 5 years at this level. Bernard King we remember as being great but it took a few years and discipline to get it together.

I liked Melo at the right price. He likley found out the knicks were not going to chase him and wanted him to come to them than them mortgaging the future. Melo in the end wanted his money. Can't blame him, but he could have orchestrated his move here at a low low price and THEN we could have used Gallo or AR for a CP3 type deal to take us over the top. Melo at a big price does not take us over the top.

Gallo might be a 24ppg scorer if you give him the touches. 5 years younger and taller he COULD give us something very similar IN the future. The future is uncertain. Starphuching takes the fear of the future out and makes us feel good about NOW. The problem is the reality is the price you pay for that certainty.

Either way, we don't win a title with just Melo and Amare as the dynamic duo.

Whats right for the Nets is not right for the Knicks.

Fear the russian, but not quite yet. We all knew he was going to make a big splash at some point

Well said. I very much wanted to trade for Melo but Denver saying we don't have pissed me off. Also not liking that Melo is agreeing to go to a 12 win team minus the one real asset they had. Melo and Avery won't get along the Nets are doomed.

TKF on Melo ::....he is a punk, a jerk, a self absorbed out of shape, self aggrandizing, unprofessional, volume chucking coach killing playoff loser!!
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9/25/2010  11:13 AM
Parker scores a very high rate from the paint. For his size and position its very unusual. Its the SA way for him but I don't know if it translates to MDA's game and system.

Same with Melo. Would he have the same rate of shots? Would Amare be happy not getting fed as much?

MDA made Amare and Nash into what they became. With Gallo you have better efficiency shooter, maybe a better passer and certainly with Gallo you don't have a diva ego to feed.

With Melo off the market whats next?

How about Gallo with the ball, looking into Amare who attracts a double team and here comes AR flying down the lane on the weakside and Gallo threading an ally oop to him.

Thats what's next!!!!

Not Melo holding the ball for an isolation play.

Whats next?

Gallo 6-10
AR 6-10
Moz 7-1
Amare 6-11

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9/25/2010  11:16 AM
Nalod wrote:Parker scores a very high rate from the paint. For his size and position its very unusual. Its the SA way for him but I don't know if it translates to MDA's game and system.

Same with Melo. Would he have the same rate of shots? Would Amare be happy not getting fed as much?

MDA made Amare and Nash into what they became. With Gallo you have better efficiency shooter, maybe a better passer and certainly with Gallo you don't have a diva ego to feed.

With Melo off the market whats next?

How about Gallo with the ball, looking into Amare who attracts a double team and here comes AR flying down the lane on the weakside and Gallo threading an ally oop to him.

Thats what's next!!!!

Not Melo holding the ball for an isolation play.

Whats next?

Gallo 6-10
AR 6-10
Moz 7-1
Amare 6-11

Turiaf 6-10

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