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Man.. I'm thrilled to say for the first time in many years that the season really hinges on this coach
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fishmike
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9/23/2010  2:55 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/23/sports/basketball/23knicks.html?_r=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

The Knicks’ Brain Trust Shows Calm Confidence
By HOWARD BECK
GREENBURGH, N.Y. — Mike D’Antoni and Donnie Walsh spoke for 43 minutes on Wednesday, and spent 41 of them talking about players who are actually on the Knicks’ roster. This was clearly a welcome departure.

The specter of LeBron James no longer hovers over the franchise. Carmelo Anthony looms as a vague concept, but not as an overpowering force. The Knicks would trade for him if they could, but he is not driving the agenda.

Anthony’s name did not come up Wednesday, when D’Antoni and Walsh held their first preseason session with the news media. They took 50 questions, only a half-dozen of which alluded to the possibility of a trade.

The focus is now firmly, finally, on the present.

Amar’e Stoudemire, the $100 million power forward, will fill the long-vacant role of franchise star. Raymond Felton, the new point guard, will fill the get-the-ball-to-Stoudemire role. Eight other new players, including the highly intriguing Anthony Randolph, have arrived.

There was plenty to talk about Wednesday, without the risk of a tampering charge.

“As a coaching staff, I know we’re really excited about who we have, and not even thinking about looking down the hallway or see what else is going on,” said D’Antoni, the coach. “We’re very content at the people we can put on the floor this year.”

It has been a while since team officials could make that statement with any conviction.

Walsh, the team president, spent two years slashing the payroll in the hope of landing James and another star player. When James headed to Miami, the Knicks pounced on Stoudemire, then completed the makeover by acquiring Felton, Randolph, Roger Mason, Kelenna Azubuike, Ronny Turiaf and Timofey Mozgov.

The changes represent significant improvement, though not the wholesale transformation the franchise once envisioned. Still, the Knicks are legitimate contenders to make the playoffs for the first time since 2004 and have enough young talent to feel good about the future.

They need another star to become title contenders, but it does not necessarily have to be Anthony or Chris Paul or another team’s disenchanted star.

“We don’t know if he’s not on the team right now,” Walsh said.

The Knicks believe that Randolph (age 21) and Danilo Gallinari (22) could reach that level, or become valuable enough to trade for an established star.

In the meantime, team officials are free to spout some superlatives that have not been heard around Madison Square Garden for some time.

“We have one of the best players in the game,” D’Antoni said, referring to Stoudemire. “At his position, he may be the best player.”

The Knicks are also stocked with the sort of athletes who can make D’Antoni’s frenzied offense hum and fill highlight reels with above-the-rim plays. Stoudemire, Randolph, Gallinari, Mozgov, and Wilson Chandler all fit that description. Landry Fields, a second-round pick in June, will also surprise people with his athleticism.

D’Antoni recalled a conversation with his assistant coaches after they watched an informal scrimmage Tuesday. Every few minutes, someone did something spectacular.

“They’re going: ‘Did you see that? Did you see that?’ ” D’Antoni said. He added: “There’s going to be some athletic plays seen in the Garden that we haven’t seen for a while. Now, whether that means we’re good or not, then we’ll have to see. But at least it should be exciting.”

D’Antoni is enthused about Felton, whom he called “a winner,” and Randolph, whom he compared to a younger Stoudemire.

Training camp begins Saturday morning. The first exhibition game will be held Oct. 3 in Milan. The team is almost entirely new. D’Antoni has eight preseason games to determine his best lineup and a rotation.

“This is a little bit different, but I’m thrilled about it,” he said. “I’m glad it’s like this, that it is a blank slate and we have a lot of very athletic, talented, young, enthusiastic basketball players that all want to be here and be a team.”

The rumors surrounding Anthony will not abate until he is traded or signs an extension with Denver. But he will not be the most important name at the Garden.

“Did you get him yet?” a reporter said jokingly, without mentioning Anthony’s name. Walsh paused for several seconds and smiled. “Let’s talk about training camp.”

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Eddy Curry is the only Knicks player who has not attended a voluntary workout this month. Although Curry’s weight and health are always an issue, Donnie Walsh played down his absence. He said Curry had been working out on his own. “Players don’t have to come in in the summer; it’s their choice,” Walsh said. “But when they come, they’ve got to be in shape. So we’ll see when Eddy comes. I’m going to be optimistic and think he’ll be ready to play.” ... Walsh, who had neck surgery in June, is still using a wheelchair occasionally but said he was 98 percent recovered. He uses a cane or a walker most of the time. ... Kelenna Azubuike will probably miss all of training camp as he continues his rehabilitation from a knee injury he sustained last November. Azubuike has not yet begun running on the court.

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fishmike
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9/23/2010  3:00 PM
Not only is the talent, size and skill all improved, but every guy in the rotation should is part of the team and the plan. Gone are the days where 2/3 of the rotation is playing for a contract, stats or whatever. Its just about BB right now, and all this coach has to focus on is winning games
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9/23/2010  3:09 PM
I am very excited about the roster and the talent Walsh has put together. I love the Randolph, Turiaff, Azubuike for Lee sign and trade and I am excited about Felton and Amare. The Knicks have a tremendously talented roster and it is very young. My only concern is with the coach. I hope that last two years were just a hiccup and that he can truly coach, communicate, mentor, and prepare a group of guys to play as a team. D'Antoni has the talent, its time for him to start making good on his contract.
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9/23/2010  3:10 PM
I'm excited about the season as well but don't get it twisted..unless the team over achieves, don't think for a minute walsh won't look to deal for a bonifide star..
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9/23/2010  4:30 PM
Actually, the Knicks "pounced on Stoudemire" BEFORE Lebron went to Miami in the hopes of luring him here with an all-star PF already inked to a deal. Why doesn't Howard Beck get his facts straight?
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9/24/2010  7:59 AM
Agreed. It's great to know that we may finally get a chance to see D'Antoni at his best.

He now has enough horses to be competitive and while it was extremely difficult to judge his coaching in the past 2 years with all that went on, we'll finally get to see if he is capable of getting a very young and talented squad to overachieve. This season will say a lot about his coaching.

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9/24/2010  8:07 AM
I've been thinking about starting a thread like this because I think the biggest question mark about this season is the coach, and can he get the most out of this group. Just about every player on this roster is here because the brain trust picked them.

Maybe they had to settle on some guys- clearly D'Antoni would have preferred Steve Nash over Felton, but given what was available on the market, they've done ok building a complete team.

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9/24/2010  9:15 AM
franco12 wrote:I've been thinking about starting a thread like this because I think the biggest question mark about this season is the coach, and can he get the most out of this group. Just about every player on this roster is here because the brain trust picked them.
Maybe they had to settle on some guys- clearly D'Antoni would have preferred Steve Nash over Felton, but given what was available on the market, they've done ok building a complete team.
those are the two things to me... I believe only Wilson Chandler and Curry are here from previous management 2 years ago.

Even more so MDA appears to be gushing over the guys in camp. He's already high on the prospect of starting Mosgov according to reports which would be amazing.

Thats a real wildcard... if Mosgov is a solid rotation player right out of the gate? Your starting frontline w/ Mosgov, Amare and Gallo are 7'1, 6'10 and 6'11. Chandler picks up at SG where he finished the season shooting 50% to go with 17ppg and 6rpg.

We have been some combo of underathletic or shrimpy for what seems like forever now. Looking forward to starting games being bigger and more athletic that the other team night in and night out

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9/24/2010  9:19 AM
call it whatever you want, but when d'antoni has the players that fit his system, he gets the most out of them. the past few years have been a ****show and we've found out that d'antoni can't take a crap team and coach them up like a guy like larry brown can, but not many coaches have that ability. d'antoni was brought here to coach good athletic players and we now have that. i dont think theres a better coach out there to fit the personnel we have and im really excited to see what he can do with some guns in his arsenal now. im expecting 45 wins and the playoffs. not bad for a very young rebuilding team.
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9/24/2010  9:26 AM
I think if MDA is the main concern that the Knicks are in good shape. He has proven that with the right talent he can win 60 games. Is this team winning 60 this year? Probably not but 45-50 is a possible, IMO.
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9/24/2010  9:27 AM
knicks1248 wrote:I'm excited about the season as well but don't get it twisted..unless the team over achieves, don't think for a minute walsh won't look to deal for a bonifide star..

My comment is not a matter of semantics...

What does "over achieve" mean for a team

1) whose management has assembled a new roster, with players, for the most part, who have never played together as a team;

2) that has a number of younger players who have not yet established a "norm" for us to determine whether or not they are over-achieving, or simply progressing/evolving as players (AR, Gallo, Chandler, Douglas, and even Mosguv can fall into this category)as they reach their so called "potential."

At the end of the year if we have won 45-50 games, which is where I've predicted we will be if everyone is healthy, who is to say that the Knicks over-achieved? Perhaps our players, and the team dynamic which will be established as the Knicks' roster come together as a team are worthy of a 45-50 win season. Throw in the fact that Felton might do better in our kind of system, and it is hard to determine the level of success this team should play at.

Walsh is always going to look to improve the team, but if Gallo moves up a level and still has room to get better, AR matures and starts to become the player some think he can be, and Chandler finds that comfort zone that I thought he was finding before his season ended last year, we may not be as aggressive or desperate in looking for a "star" as some people might think.

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9/24/2010  9:30 AM
fishmike wrote:
franco12 wrote:I've been thinking about starting a thread like this because I think the biggest question mark about this season is the coach, and can he get the most out of this group. Just about every player on this roster is here because the brain trust picked them.
Maybe they had to settle on some guys- clearly D'Antoni would have preferred Steve Nash over Felton, but given what was available on the market, they've done ok building a complete team.
those are the two things to me... I believe only Wilson Chandler and Curry are here from previous management 2 years ago.

Even more so MDA appears to be gushing over the guys in camp. He's already high on the prospect of starting Mosgov according to reports which would be amazing.

Thats a real wildcard... if Mosgov is a solid rotation player right out of the gate? Your starting frontline w/ Mosgov, Amare and Gallo are 7'1, 6'10 and 6'11. Chandler picks up at SG where he finished the season shooting 50% to go with 17ppg and 6rpg.

We have been some combo of underathletic or shrimpy for what seems like forever now. Looking forward to starting games being bigger and more athletic that the other team night in and night out

It will be an exciting year. Looking forward to see Gallo and Chandler take it to the next level every year they have gotten better no reason they won't take the next step. Donnie filled a major criteria with size. I said it before you want to win in the NBA and be a good team it starts with size in the right positions. That alone will make the Knicks better.

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9/24/2010  9:32 AM
Paladin55 wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:I'm excited about the season as well but don't get it twisted..unless the team over achieves, don't think for a minute walsh won't look to deal for a bonifide star..

My comment is not a matter of semantics...

What does "over achieve" mean for a team

1) whose management has assembled a new roster, with players, for the most part, who have never played together as a team;

2) that has a number of younger players who have not yet established a "norm" for us to determine whether or not they are over-achieving, or simply progressing/evolving as players (AR, Gallo, Chandler, Douglas, and even Mosguv can fall into this category)as they reach their so called "potential."

At the end of the year if we have won 45-50 games, which is where I've predicted we will be if everyone is healthy, who is to say that the Knicks over-achieved? Perhaps our players, and the team dynamic which will be established as the Knicks' roster come together as a team are worthy of a 45-50 win season. Throw in the fact that Felton might do better in our kind of system, and it is hard to determine the level of success this team should play at.

Walsh is always going to look to improve the team, but if Gallo moves up a level and still has room to get better, AR matures and starts to become the player some think he can be, and Chandler finds that comfort zone that I thought he was finding before his season ended last year, we may not be as aggressive or desperate in looking for a "star" as some people might think.


thats been my thing with not wanting to trade for Melo. We have so much size and depth. We DO have one star also in Amare. You can win a title in this league if you have the size and length to smother your opponent on both ends. Detroit proved that. This is a very big and very athletic team. When you start every game winning the size/athleticism battle before the ball is tipped your off to a good start
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9/24/2010  9:43 AM
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fishmike wrote:
franco12 wrote:I've been thinking about starting a thread like this because I think the biggest question mark about this season is the coach, and can he get the most out of this group. Just about every player on this roster is here because the brain trust picked them.
Maybe they had to settle on some guys- clearly D'Antoni would have preferred Steve Nash over Felton, but given what was available on the market, they've done ok building a complete team.
those are the two things to me... I believe only Wilson Chandler and Curry are here from previous management 2 years ago.

Even more so MDA appears to be gushing over the guys in camp. He's already high on the prospect of starting Mosgov according to reports which would be amazing.

Thats a real wildcard... if Mosgov is a solid rotation player right out of the gate? Your starting frontline w/ Mosgov, Amare and Gallo are 7'1, 6'10 and 6'11. Chandler picks up at SG where he finished the season shooting 50% to go with 17ppg and 6rpg.

We have been some combo of underathletic or shrimpy for what seems like forever now. Looking forward to starting games being bigger and more athletic that the other team night in and night out

It will be an exciting year. Looking forward to see Gallo and Chandler take it to the next level every year they have gotten better no reason they won't take the next step. Donnie filled a major criteria with size. I said it before you want to win in the NBA and be a good team it starts with size in the right positions. That alone will make the Knicks better.

and athleticism... Layden went out and got guys like Doleac, Mutumbo, Van Horn, etc but those guys were plodders. I think most of us were suprised by Gallo's quickness and athletic ability last year, and I would saw he's the slowes and least athletic rotation guy.
Watching Mosgov next to Tyson Chandler you could clearly see Mosgov was both bigger and more athletic. AR, Amare, Chandler, Fields... we have a lot of guys who play above the rim

All of Walsh's moves havent been perfect for sure. We have debated several of his trades and obviously the Jordan Hill pick sucked. All in all though after 2 years he's cleaned out this roster almost completely. We have a big, young athletic team with upside. We have a star player up front. We have a good PG. We have max cap space next offseason... after 2 year I would definatly give Walsh a B+.

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9/24/2010  10:29 AM
This may also be the first off season that Chandler and Gallo have been able to work on there games as they both have had injury problems in every off season strangling there development.

Hopefully Chandler has been able to finally put the off season work on his handle that he needs, and Gallo has stated that he has been able to put in work on his game this off season which he hasn't really been able to do last yr.

Curry would be a huge plus to if he does go hard in his contract yr. He was about 300pds last season, so if he took the off season seriously he should be in great shape by now. He would be a big boost as a 2nd unit inside scoring guy teaming up with Randolph who can be his weak side help and the perfect compliment to him.

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