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9/23/2010  7:32 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/columns/story?columnist=sheridan_chris&id=5604785

GREENBURGH, N.Y. -- If Donnie Walsh hadn't traded a 2012 first-round draft pick to Houston last February when he was in salary-dump mode, he might have possessed enough assets to acquire Carmelo Anthony before the start of training camp.

But that pick is gone, and the president of the New York Knicks can't stop wondering whether he made a monumental mistake.

"I'll second-guess myself forever on that," Walsh said Wednesday in a sitdown with reporters who regularly cover the team.

Walsh sent the Knicks' 2012 first-round pick, plus the right to swap first-round picks in 2011, to the Rockets along with Jared Jeffries and Jordan Hill in the deal that brought Tracy McGrady to the Knicks.

Walsh made the trade to clear enough cap space to make a run at two max-salary free agents, but the Knicks struck out in their attempts to land LeBron James and Chris Bosh, settling instead for Amare Stoudemire and Raymond Felton.

With Anthony now on the trade market, and with the Knicks one of his preferred destinations as ESPN.com's Mark Stein and Chad Ford are reporting, Walsh has all the assets the Nuggets are seeking -- a large, expiring contract, belonging to Eddy Curry, and young talent such as Anthony Randolph, Danilo Gallinari, Wilson Chandler, Toney Douglas -- except for the future No. 1 pick(s) that Denver desires.

(New York cannot trade its 2011 or 2013 picks because of an NBA rule prohibiting teams from going consecutive years without a first-rounder, so the best Walsh can offer right now is a 2014 first-round pick.)

"I think we got something out of it that allowed us to bring in 10 new players. But I didn't like it when I did it. I don't like doing financial trades. They're not basketball trades," Walsh said.

"I was going back and forth on that deal, and I guess I thought the ability to have enough money to get two stars, or get one star and one or two other players, that worked. We got Amare and Felton, so that worked," Walsh said.

"But you always want to keep first-round picks. The '12 pick I didn't like doing. I remember the night before we did it, thinking, 'I don't like doing this, but we're going to do it.' And I'll second-guess myself forever on that."

Walsh was upbeat on most other fronts, with the notable exception of Curry -- and the mystery of what kind of shape he'll be in when he shows up for his physical Thursday. (All the other members of the Knicks already have been taking part in informal practice sessions.)

Walsh said he had not had contact of any kind with Curry over the summer, but had been told through third-party sources that Curry was working out. Walsh then made the following comparison, one that very well might infuriate a certain member of TNT's national broadcast team:

"Players don't have to come in. It's their choice. And what I've tried to do over the years is not make any kind of judgment on that. Don't get mad at them because they don't come, but when they come they've got to be in shape. So we'll see when Eddy comes. I'm going to be optimistic and think he'll be ready to play," Walsh said. "I know this, when I was in Indiana, Reggie Miller never came back in the summer. He came back the day before training camp, got his physical, but he was in shape ready to go. He had worked out all summer."

Walsh and D'Antoni were most effusive in their praise for Anthony Randolph, raving about his ability to rebound the ball and bring it up court with the skills of a point guard, as well as his ability to defend any position on the court (or so D'Antoni claimed), 1 through 5.

D'Antoni also came up with a mouthful when he said incoming rookie free-agent center Timofey Mozgov is "maybe our most athletic guy," and Walsh said he signed free agent Patrick Ewing Jr. in large part because of his ability to defend opposing shooting guards.

Walsh and D'Antoni said guard Kelenna Azubuike will miss the start of training camp as he continues to rehab a patella tendon knee injury, but he could be ready for the beginning of the regular season.

Both men set expectations somewhat low, saying making the playoffs will be the team's No. 1 goal this season.

But throughout the 30-minute meeting, the underlying current was whether the Knicks were confident of their chances of landing Carmelo Anthony.

"Part of my job is looking out there to see if there can be a deal in order to get a player like that, [a top-10 player] who you know can fit with your team. And not give up too much. You don't want to basically bring the team back where it was by making a big trade that takes the majority of the players you have," Walsh said.

"There's trades you'd make and there's trades you wouldn't make. That's about as good as I can do. I've traded people that were very good and I've traded people who weren't so good. It just depends on how you see your team and what they need, and if that player is available and you don't have to destroy the whole team, then you consider it."

And if you have a first-round pick to throw into the deal, it makes it that much easier. Hence, the regrets over including the 2012 pick in the McGrady deal, and the ensuing conundrum of figuring out how one can be obtained.

"So I need to go out and see if I can get one, and I don't know how to do that yet," Walsh said.

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9/23/2010  7:34 AM
Dude is being up front and honest. If we knew lebron was not coming, I'm sure he would have left tmac home.
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9/23/2010  8:04 AM    LAST EDITED: 9/23/2010  8:05 AM
(.01) x (LeBron James) > (Jordan Hill) + (Ared Effries) + (.01) x (Carmelo Anthony) - (.01) x two of[Anthony Randolph, Danilo Gallinari, Wilson Chandler, Toney Douglas] - (.01) x (Fatty)
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9/23/2010  8:17 AM
hey it's a wise man that can be open to himself like that. he knows what putting that out in the media can stir up, so it's interesting to speculate on why he's doing it.
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9/23/2010  8:23 AM
Im still fine with it. We had a chance to get franchise players. I think we were in the Lebron running as well. Also, if he doesnt make that trade we cant take back all the players we got from GS in the Lee trade. Saying we could have still gotten Amare/Felton and kept the pick is fine, but we would NOT have Anthony Randolph and I think he's worth trading that #1 for
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9/23/2010  8:28 AM
He gave the Knicks a chance. And as a fan that is all that you can ask for.
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9/23/2010  8:38 AM
Marv wrote:hey it's a wise man that can be open to himself like that. he knows what putting that out in the media can stir up, so it's interesting to speculate on why he's doing it.

I just think he knows there is a large minority that is pissed about the deal, due to the results. He strikes me a transparent, accountable man and that is respectable and will ultimately change the culture of the organization

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9/23/2010  8:40 AM    LAST EDITED: 9/23/2010  8:40 AM
If he did not do that trade and LeDouche went with the fire nation with Bosch then everybody would be killing Walsh that he was sleeping again because he did not give the knicks a chance to land a 2nd superstar. Donnie made the right move and his counter move is phenomenal.
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9/23/2010  8:47 AM
SupremeCommander wrote:
Marv wrote:hey it's a wise man that can be open to himself like that. he knows what putting that out in the media can stir up, so it's interesting to speculate on why he's doing it.

I just think he knows there is a large minority that is pissed about the deal, due to the results. He strikes me a transparent, accountable man and that is respectable and will ultimately change the culture of the organization

its breath of fresh air. The two main guys he brought in as FAs in Felton/Amare are tough hardworking no BS guys who lay it out on the court.
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9/23/2010  9:18 AM
He made a big mistake here. Hill will prove to be a serviceable tradeable asset that would have looked very enticing next to a couple of players in a package.

However you have to give him credit for the offseason. Donnie really benefited from a Warriors front office with no direction. I still think we got very lucky to get the package we did for David Lee. We could have signed him for the 8 million and it proved how tradeable he really was this offseason when GS paid him over 12 and gave up a lottery pick.

But Felton will be a nice player, as will fields and the Russian so I think we came out young and hungry. Big things ahead for this season.

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9/23/2010  9:25 AM
The summer of 2010 was LeCon or bust. That's why Donnie Walsh made the Tracy McGrady trade. To have enough room for LeCon and his sidekick. Some of you can try to spin it any way you want but the summer was a HUGE disappointment. Instead of having the best player in the league and a 55+ win team the next 5 years, we're still an unknown with no guarantee of making the Playoffs.
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9/23/2010  9:28 AM
I don't really like Mitch Lawrence but he's 100% right here ...

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2010/09/23/2010-09-23_knicks_boss_donnie_walsh_does_fine_job_hiding_disappointment_of_missing_out_on_l.html

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9/23/2010  9:32 AM
iSergio wrote:The summer of 2010 was LeCon or bust. That's why Donnie Walsh made the Tracy McGrady trade. To have enough room for LeCon and his sidekick. Some of you can try to spin it any way you want but the summer was a HUGE disappointment. Instead of having the best player in the league and a 55+ win team the next 5 years, we're still an unknown with no guarantee of making the Playoffs.
your in the minority on that one here. Sorry dude.

There is no spin. Plan A was Lebron + another star. Plan B turned out to be a 5 time all star Amare, Felton, and a group of big young athletic guys who most of us are pretty excited about.

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9/23/2010  9:32 AM
Agree with a number of you. He did what he thought he had to do and things did not work out.

He is smart enough to know that nothing was certain in terms of getting James, but he put us into a position where it was possible for us to pick up two max players, and to do it he had to dig the team out of the hole his predecessors put the Knicks in.

Think about the screaming around here if the reason we could not get James and a partner had been because we did not make the Houston trade.


I was not a fan of losing Hill and a pick, and if Hill had gotten more time on the floor prior to the trade we may have been able to keep the pick, but Walsh did what he did and should be commended for it.

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9/23/2010  9:36 AM
fishmike wrote:
iSergio wrote:The summer of 2010 was LeCon or bust. That's why Donnie Walsh made the Tracy McGrady trade. To have enough room for LeCon and his sidekick. Some of you can try to spin it any way you want but the summer was a HUGE disappointment. Instead of having the best player in the league and a 55+ win team the next 5 years, we're still an unknown with no guarantee of making the Playoffs.
your in the minority on that one here. Sorry dude.

There is no spin. Plan A was Lebron + another star. Plan B turned out to be a 5 time all star Amare, Felton, and a group of big young athletic guys who most of us are pretty excited about.

Sorry Fish but there is a big difference between LeCon and Chris Bosh or Joe Johnson over Amar'e Stoudemire, Raymond Felton, some Russian Center and some players from the Golden State Warriors. Plan A would have been an A+. What happened ended up giving us a C grade at best.

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9/23/2010  9:36 AM
fishmike wrote:
iSergio wrote:The summer of 2010 was LeCon or bust. That's why Donnie Walsh made the Tracy McGrady trade. To have enough room for LeCon and his sidekick. Some of you can try to spin it any way you want but the summer was a HUGE disappointment. Instead of having the best player in the league and a 55+ win team the next 5 years, we're still an unknown with no guarantee of making the Playoffs.
your in the minority on that one here. Sorry dude.

There is no spin. Plan A was Lebron + another star. Plan B turned out to be a 5 time all star Amare, Felton, and a group of big young athletic guys who most of us are pretty excited about.

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9/23/2010  9:36 AM
- When he made that awful trade many posters were saying Donnie wouldnt make that type of deal unless he has assurances that Lebron/Bosh/Wade were coming through back channels.

- Now signing Amare was good but I would have been happy with space for 1 max and grabbing Beasley for pocket lint. We would have still been able to do the David Lee deal too.

- Potential core could have been Gallo, Randolph, Beasley, and Hill. All of them are 21 I believe. If we roll back even further to that 2009 draft we could have had Jennings instead of Hill. Can anyone really say a core of Jennings, Gallo, Randolph, and Beasley would not have been the best young core in the league talent wise?

- Walsh made a gamble and lost. He backtracked on the Jordan Hill pick. Now he is backtracking on the trade. I dont see he gets points for doing that.

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9/23/2010  9:41 AM
iSergio wrote:The summer of 2010 was LeCon or bust. That's why Donnie Walsh made the Tracy McGrady trade. To have enough room for LeCon and his sidekick. Some of you can try to spin it any way you want but the summer was a HUGE disappointment. Instead of having the best player in the league and a 55+ win team the next 5 years, we're still an unknown with no guarantee of making the Playoffs.

I'm not seeing things this pessimistically. LeBron wasn't going to NY anyways. We never had a guarantee that he was coming - just the possibility. What we knew for sure was that it was a loaded free agency. All Donnie could do was to prepare our cap for the upcoming off season. There weren't a lot of people expecting all the three amigos going to South Beach.

I don't know about you, but I'm sure as hell not disappointed with the current setup of the Knicks this season.

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9/23/2010  9:54 AM
Nothing was ever a given that we were going to land Lebron plus another superstar. Fact is, Donnie Walsh put us in position to acquire two stars. The rest was really up to the free agents. So in that sense i guess its a bust. I do think that Donnie did everything within his control to set us up for the summer. If he didnt, like some said we'd be saying he slept through it. The team is most likely an unknown and probably will only win 35-40 games but it's not to the fault of Walsh. The free agency period was a two way street. We still have flexibility this coming summer so the only thing the Knicks can do is move on and continue building the team.

The summer was not a huge disappointment. It was never certain we were going to land any superstar let alone two. If you believed we were guaranteed two stars like much of the media did, only then was it a huge disappointment. Like PE said, don't believe the hype! We are still in a better position than we were a year ago.

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9/23/2010  9:54 AM
I agree that Donnie is a breath of fresh air as opposed to Isiah who would have tried to spin it.

And, I don't think we would have gotten Amar'e if we hadn't made that trade. I don't think Amar'e would have come without thinking another superstar would join him. I'm pretty sure he thought Lebron was coming here with him. I don't know if he would have come here by himself.

So, I think the trade was still worth it. It also allowed us to get return for David Lee - and yes, I would trade Jordan Hill and our 2012 #1 pick for Anthony Randolph, Kelenna Azubuike and Turiaf. I still sway the pick swap won't happen.

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