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BRIGGS
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9/20/2010  3:37 PM    LAST EDITED: 9/20/2010  3:40 PM
Chandler Walker and number 1 picks in 2014 2016 top5 2018 top 5 GS #2nd and 3mm in cash take back Balkman for salary relief and 3mm in cash


Carmelo has to sign a 6 year 100mm $ deal or no deal

3#1 picks Chandler Walker a GS 2 and cash---no players other than Wil & Bill--that is my highest and best offer. No gallo no ar no anyone else

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9/20/2010  3:42 PM
BRIGGS wrote:Chandler Walker and number 1 picks in 2014 2016 top5 2018 top 5 GS #2nd and 3mm in cash take back Balkman for salary relief and 3mm in cash


Carmelo has to sign a 6 year 100mm $ deal or no deal

3#1 picks Chandler Walker a GS 2 and cash---no players other than Wil & Bill--that is my highest and best offer. No gallo no ar no anyone else

im down with that.

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9/20/2010  4:49 PM
Briggy, Its still too much in my book. As you know, my view is if Melo is ok to take the risk, then his price goes way way down.

I am not in agreement about sending the NO. 1 picks. Three of them??? Too much. I'd go one. I would hope we dont' have to protect them, but even still, draft picks are still cap friendly.

YOu may need those picks to finish the roster. For CP3 AfTER melo is here I could go all out. Do it for the third cog, not the second.
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9/20/2010  5:00 PM
i think those picks are way too far out for denver to trade carmelo for.

they have a new GM, he needs to get some kind of return that's coming fairly soon, meaning 2011 or 2012 picks. he won't last to 2014 to see that first pick otherwise.

i have a question - we can't the rights to the 2011 pick? because houston has the option to swap it? that can't be like a future considerations thing? like, we trade denver the future consideration and come the 2011 draft we select whoever they want to complete the melo deal?

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9/20/2010  5:05 PM
Nalod wrote:Briggy, Its still too much in my book. As you know, my view is if Melo is ok to take the risk, then his price goes way way down.

I am not in agreement about sending the NO. 1 picks. Three of them??? Too much. I'd go one. I would hope we dont' have to protect them, but even still, draft picks are still cap friendly.

YOu may need those picks to finish the roster. For CP3 AfTER melo is here I could go all out. Do it for the third cog, not the second.

Word. The three amigos (ours, not Miami's) will need something left in the trade coffer in order to pry CP3 away from NO. Melo is the guy we need to sign as a FA. Surely he can understand this and get it into his plan. Not saying I wouldn't make that trade, but three #1s could come back to bite our ass hard if Stat or Melo go down to injury.
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9/20/2010  6:42 PM
this is from a sixers blog where a bunch of bloggers go to interview Rod Thorn

http://philadunkia.com/?p=2671

Brian from DepressedFan: What do you consider better value, Andre Iguodala for $56 million over the next four years, or Carmelo at $82 million over the next four?

Thorn: They’re entirely different players. Anthony is one of the best scorers in basketball…(Carmelo Anthony) is a great shooter, post up player, he’s a tremendous offensive player. Iguodala is an all around player. He doesn’t have the offensive ability that Anthony has to score, but he has a passing ability a rebounding ability and a defensive ability, so it’s like comparing apples to oranges*.

(*Both are fruits. Iguodala has produced 65 wins in the past five seasons while Melo has produced 25. I’ll take the apple. FYI…Iggy is more apple-like…Not quite as tasty, but more versatile and less high maintenance.)

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9/20/2010  7:11 PM
BRIGGS wrote:Chandler Walker and number 1 picks in 2014 2016 top5 2018 top 5 GS #2nd and 3mm in cash take back Balkman for salary relief and 3mm in cash


Carmelo has to sign a 6 year 100mm $ deal or no deal

3#1 picks Chandler Walker a GS 2 and cash---no players other than Wil & Bill--that is my highest and best offer. No gallo no ar no anyone else

So Denver gets to pay Harrington the MLE for the next 4 yrs, Resign Chandler and Walker, and some low picks. Oh lets not forget they get to pay Curry to sit on the bench for a season.

GREAT DEAL. NOT!

The Denver stadium would be a ghost town if they traded Carmelo for that package. You do know NBA teams are in the business of making money right?

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9/20/2010  7:18 PM
crzymdups wrote:i think those picks are way too far out for denver to trade carmelo for.

they have a new GM, he needs to get some kind of return that's coming fairly soon, meaning 2011 or 2012 picks. he won't last to 2014 to see that first pick otherwise.

i have a question - we can't the rights to the 2011 pick? because houston has the option to swap it? that can't be like a future considerations thing? like, we trade denver the future consideration and come the 2011 draft we select whoever they want to complete the melo deal?

You might want the picks to be far out. If Melo signs with the Knicks with the said deal by Briggs good chance the Knicks win 55+ every year rendering the picks to be low first round picks.
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9/20/2010  7:48 PM
I'd pull the trigger but I doubt Denver talks with us if AR and Gallo are both off the table (and I wouldn't blame them).
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9/20/2010  8:04 PM
Im not giving up all those picks. life in the NBa is funny, like your star player having a major injury (cough cough allan houston) and you ending up with no cap space and no picks..crippling your franchise for a decade
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9/20/2010  8:32 PM
Brooklyn

Carmelo winds up in New Jersey/ Brooklyn with some extra under the table cash from Mikhail Prokhorov. With a fortune estimated to be over $17 billion, Prokhorov desperately needs a big splash to go with the Seventh Avenue billboard in Knicks territory after losing out on Lebron. Prokhorov is positioned to transform New York sports like no one since perhaps George Steinbrenner, but he needs players. Carmelo would be a start.

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9/20/2010  9:18 PM
BRIGGS wrote:Chandler Walker and number 1 picks in 2014 2016 top5 2018 top 5 GS #2nd and 3mm in cash take back Balkman for salary relief and 3mm in cash


Carmelo has to sign a 6 year 100mm $ deal or no deal

3#1 picks Chandler Walker a GS 2 and cash---no players other than Wil & Bill--that is my highest and best offer. No gallo no ar no anyone else

I'd do that also.

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9/20/2010  9:53 PM
Its more likely a trade of


Successful Trade Scenario
Congratulations on a successful trade.

New York Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -4.3 ppg, -7.0 rpg, and -3.0 apg.
Incoming Players
Carmelo Anthony
6-8 SF from Syracuse
28.2 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 3.2 apg in 38.2 minutes
Outgoing Players
Eddy Curry
6-11 C from Thornwood (HS)
3.7 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 0.0 apg in 8.9 minutes
Ronny Turiaf
6-9 C from Gonzaga
4.9 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 2.1 apg in 20.8 minutes
Wilson Chandler
6-8 SF from DePaul
15.3 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 35.7 minutes
Toney Douglas
6-2 PG from Florida State
8.6 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 2.0 apg in 19.4 minutes
Denver Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +4.3 ppg, +7.0 rpg, and +3.0 apg.
Incoming Players
Eddy Curry
6-11 C from Thornwood (HS)
3.7 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 0.0 apg in 8.9 minutes
Ronny Turiaf
6-9 C from Gonzaga
4.9 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 2.1 apg in 20.8 minutes
Wilson Chandler
6-8 SF from DePaul
15.3 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 35.7 minutes
Toney Douglas
6-2 PG from Florida State
8.6 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 2.0 apg in 19.4 minutes
Outgoing Players
Carmelo Anthony
6-8 SF from Syracuse
28.2 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 3.2 apg in 38.2 minutes

Read more: http://www.realgm.com/src_tradechecker/3/#ixzz107nshA34
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9/20/2010  11:16 PM
BRIGGS wrote:Chandler Walker and number 1 picks in 2014 2016 top5 2018 top 5 GS #2nd and 3mm in cash take back Balkman for salary relief and 3mm in cash


Carmelo has to sign a 6 year 100mm $ deal or no deal

3#1 picks Chandler Walker a GS 2 and cash---no players other than Wil & Bill--that is my highest and best offer. No gallo no ar no anyone else

I think the Nuggets would be interested in a package that includes Chandler but I don't think that is enough to get Anthony. Anthony is a star and I don't think most teams value Walker very highly. A team with Amare, Gallo, Anthony, Randolph and Felton should be picking in the early twenties hopefully so the picks would not be worth much. I get that you like the roster and I do also but if your goal is Anthony I think you have to give up a lot more. I think the Knicks might be smart to wait things out. Unlike NJ or Chicago I think the Knicks have to gut their core to get Melo and they might not have enough left to win with him.
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9/20/2010  11:39 PM
I think it's a decent deal if the Knicks want to do--the Knicks don't have to anything and just wait for a year
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9/20/2010  11:56 PM
martin wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Chandler Walker and number 1 picks in 2014 2016 top5 2018 top 5 GS #2nd and 3mm in cash take back Balkman for salary relief and 3mm in cash


Carmelo has to sign a 6 year 100mm $ deal or no deal

3#1 picks Chandler Walker a GS 2 and cash---no players other than Wil & Bill--that is my highest and best offer. No gallo no ar no anyone else

im down with that.

Et tu Brute? The plan, and this is the only plan endorsable , is to pick up Carmelo as a free agent. All this "trading players and imaginary draft picks," without knowing where you stand is ridiculous. Damn! How about a little less fantasy league and a little more real time

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9/21/2010  12:43 AM
you're the guy telling people they're living in fantasy land when they say an offer of Gallo or AR + Wilson & picks is reasonable but you think an offer like this would land Carmelo?
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9/21/2010  9:28 AM
Sangfroid wrote:
martin wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Chandler Walker and number 1 picks in 2014 2016 top5 2018 top 5 GS #2nd and 3mm in cash take back Balkman for salary relief and 3mm in cash


Carmelo has to sign a 6 year 100mm $ deal or no deal

3#1 picks Chandler Walker a GS 2 and cash---no players other than Wil & Bill--that is my highest and best offer. No gallo no ar no anyone else

im down with that.

Et tu Brute? The plan, and this is the only plan endorsable , is to pick up Carmelo as a free agent. All this "trading players and imaginary draft picks," without knowing where you stand is ridiculous. Damn! How about a little less fantasy league and a little more real time

Id rather wait for free agency myself. But if i can get Carmelo WITHOUT giving up AR or Gallo--I think we can compete for a championship in a very serious way this year. I need Gallo and randolph to help make that happen--so there is NO way I can give up either--I will not budge on that. I think Gallo can be a 20-5-5 player and gives us the keen outside shot and randolph has first team all defensive potential and a very diverse offensive game along the lines of what L Odom gives LA but much younger. Some of the people saying give up this give up that --you cant. look at la--its like saying Kibe and gasol is enough--but realistically they neeed odom bynum artest fischer and their role players to just eek it out--you need your stars but you also need the team--in fact I put more value on the team. We have cap space next year--were going to get another very nice player.

What Im giving here is kind of like what Miami gave out--2 #1 picks--Im giving 3 1s chandler and walker---but the line has to stop there--if I can bring him in for picks young players taking back a bad balkman contract + cash---fine if I cant lets move on.

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9/21/2010  9:33 AM
It doesn't matter. I hate to say this but I think Denver looks at Danilo Gallinari and Anthony Randolph how most and I look at them - role players with limited potential. I'm not even sure either Gallo or Randolph will end up being better than Troy Murphy. : /

I just hope Carmelo Anthony is serious about wanting to be here and only here and waits it out. If Chicago or New Jersey gets Melo, we are really screwed. We'll never be able to build a team that even comes close to Miami or the Bulls with Melo, Derrick Rose and Carlos Boozer. We'll be the Atlanta Hawks and perenial 1st or 2nd round swept team every single year.
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9/21/2010  10:17 AM
iSergio wrote:It doesn't matter. I hate to say this but I think Denver looks at Danilo Gallinari and Anthony Randolph how most and I look at them - role players with limited potential. I'm not even sure either Gallo or Randolph will end up being better than Troy Murphy. : /

I just hope Carmelo Anthony is serious about wanting to be here and only here and waits it out. If Chicago or New Jersey gets Melo, we are really screwed. We'll never be able to build a team that even comes close to Miami or the Bulls with Melo, Derrick Rose and Carlos Boozer. We'll be the Atlanta Hawks and perenial 1st or 2nd round swept team every single year.


I'm pretty sure you love saying that, as you do in about every thread you post in. Not sure if you know this or not, but saying it over and over wont make it true.

Potential is dictated by skills, size and athleticism. Since AR and Gallo are top shelf in at least 2 of those 3 (AR all three) their potential is very high.

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