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BRIGGS
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9/16/2010  11:18 AM
I think a team should be able to keep their *franchise player* I think it's good for the sport the team and its fans. Now that should not punish the franchise player(by taking away his ability to leave) but their should be a happy medium. He should not be able to make nearly what he can with his original team--maybe keep the figure @ 70% AND the team acquiring should be required to give up three unrestricted #1's. So its fair both ways--the player can still be able to leave albeit knowingly making significantly less and the team acquiring would have to pay a harsh fee in draft picks for the movement.
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9/16/2010  11:25 AM
Uh no. This gives the home team zero incentive to improve the team. You want more Donald Sterling's in the league? For 99% of the players in the league that extra year of salary is more than enough for them to to stay.
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nyvector16
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9/16/2010  11:29 AM
Any rule change that restricts player movement hurts the big market teams LA, NY, Chicago, Miami, because those are the most popular free agent destinations.

I don't like the fact that a team can draft you, own you for 4 years before you get put in Restricted Free agent status, and then any contract offer gets matched.

Basically, if you are any good you get stuck with the team that drafted you no matter how badly you want out for at least 7 years (4 yr rookie contract & 3 year vet signing).

I personally like player movement.

If they restrict player movement any further, than they have to give teams the ability to remove players from their cap after waiving them.
Either that or eliminate the 125% salary trade restrictions.

Vmart
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9/16/2010  11:45 AM
Keep things the way they are. This was the first time FA left a bad taste in most peoples mouth. It is usually not like this and player movement is good for the league. We are all worked up over the LeBron fiasco but the norm is most players are not like LeBron. When FA leave their current team its more like the way Boozer, Amare left their respective team. Or they resign like Joe Johnson, Rudy Gay.
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9/16/2010  11:48 AM
I think being paid 25 million a year is not a punishment.

They are entertainers when they are playing for bad teams.

Im thinking along the lines of Briggy in that there should be financial considerations to be tagged a franchise player.

The thing is the league must come first and for the owners, and they own the league BTW, tnen its important for these players to keep the value of a franchise intact. Chris Paul makes NO more valuable a team.

IF a player wants to leave to win, it should come at a price. Not a penalty mind you. You get a bonus to suck it up and make 5 generational money for a team you might not want to be with or you can be fulfilled by playing for another.

IN a way, this is what Melo is looking at. If can ride it out this season and be free to do what ever he wants under the market conditions that persist. That might be a lessor CBA or him nursing a bad Knee.

Melo wants out now so he can sign an extention. Who gives up what? Denver fanchise can move him or lose him for nothing but might have to take back less than full value. Melo can go to highest bidder and sign extention but not his preferred destination.

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9/16/2010  11:49 AM
Vmart wrote:Keep things the way they are. This was the first time FA left a bad taste in most peoples mouth. It is usually not like this and player movement is good for the league. We are all worked up over the LeBron fiasco but the norm is most players are not like LeBron. When FA leave their current team its more like the way Boozer, Amare left their respective team. Or they resign like Joe Johnson, Rudy Gay.


I can't believe Joe Johnson got his money!!!!

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9/16/2010  11:59 AM
Vmart wrote:When FA leave their current team its more like the way Boozer, Amare left their respective team. Or they resign like Joe Johnson, Rudy Gay.

I still remember how Boozer totally fleeced Cleveland by promising to resign if they waived his player restriction and then bolted the second he could.
If boozer had resigned they might have won a championship and then who knows how things would have panned out this summer.

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9/16/2010  12:02 PM    LAST EDITED: 9/16/2010  12:03 PM
nyvector16 wrote:
Vmart wrote:When FA leave their current team its more like the way Boozer, Amare left their respective team. Or they resign like Joe Johnson, Rudy Gay.

I still remember how Boozer totally fleeced Cleveland by promising to resign if they waived his player restriction and then bolted the second he could.
If boozer had resigned they might have won a championship and then who knows how things would have panned out this summer.

That speaks to more the type of person Boozer is. I believe Boozer's agent quit representing him after that.

Boozer is a beast but he is often injured and only seems to be 100% healthy during contract years.

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martin
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9/16/2010  12:23 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
nyvector16 wrote:
Vmart wrote:When FA leave their current team its more like the way Boozer, Amare left their respective team. Or they resign like Joe Johnson, Rudy Gay.

I still remember how Boozer totally fleeced Cleveland by promising to resign if they waived his player restriction and then bolted the second he could.
If boozer had resigned they might have won a championship and then who knows how things would have panned out this summer.

That speaks to more the type of person Boozer is. I believe Boozer's agent quit representing him after that.

Boozer is a beast but he is often injured and only seems to be 100% healthy during contract years.

I am thinking a lot of people would do the same thing as Booz did in real life.

If I make $100K and my company's main competitor offered me $1M, I am gone. I think it was like a 10x jump.

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9/16/2010  12:47 PM
martin wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
nyvector16 wrote:
Vmart wrote:When FA leave their current team its more like the way Boozer, Amare left their respective team. Or they resign like Joe Johnson, Rudy Gay.

I still remember how Boozer totally fleeced Cleveland by promising to resign if they waived his player restriction and then bolted the second he could.
If boozer had resigned they might have won a championship and then who knows how things would have panned out this summer.

That speaks to more the type of person Boozer is. I believe Boozer's agent quit representing him after that.

Boozer is a beast but he is often injured and only seems to be 100% healthy during contract years.

I am thinking a lot of people would do the same thing as Booz did in real life.

If I make $100K and my company's main competitor offered me $1M, I am gone. I think it was like a 10x jump.

There was like a 30 mil dollar difference at that time. It was bad business, but thats a lot of coin!

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9/16/2010  12:52 PM
Nalod wrote:
martin wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
nyvector16 wrote:
Vmart wrote:When FA leave their current team its more like the way Boozer, Amare left their respective team. Or they resign like Joe Johnson, Rudy Gay.

I still remember how Boozer totally fleeced Cleveland by promising to resign if they waived his player restriction and then bolted the second he could.
If boozer had resigned they might have won a championship and then who knows how things would have panned out this summer.

That speaks to more the type of person Boozer is. I believe Boozer's agent quit representing him after that.

Boozer is a beast but he is often injured and only seems to be 100% healthy during contract years.

I am thinking a lot of people would do the same thing as Booz did in real life.

If I make $100K and my company's main competitor offered me $1M, I am gone. I think it was like a 10x jump.

There was like a 30 mil dollar difference at that time. It was bad business, but thats a lot of coin!

how is earning your family an extra $30M bad business? I'd like to know who would turn that down?

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Vmart
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9/16/2010  1:35 PM
Who the hell would want to play in Cleveland when the door to choices opens up and more money. Boozer screwed Cleveland but I can't fault him. Besides I think he didn't want to play with LeBron. As far his most recent free agency he handled it well the way most handle free agency.
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9/16/2010  1:45 PM
you cant have such rules, its not fair. No employer should be able to force you to stay.

the current CBA ensures you get a player for at least 5 years after you draft him or her (Lebron).

Maybe they make it 6 years in the new CBA and rookie contracts go from 4 years (+ plus QO year) to 5 years. After that its still hard to leave and the home team can offer you more money, but anything more than that simply isnt fair. Who are the NBA to tell you where to live and work?

The franchise player issue is magnified in hoops because one guy can be so critical. Losing Lebron will cost the Cavs 30+ wins, no doubt about it... but this is America.

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Franchise player rule for free agency

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