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OldFan
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9/9/2010  10:34 PM
I'm not convinced AR can play big minutes at center. Camby is probably the center with the most similar build - but to point out the obvious:
Camby is the exception not the rule. Most centers need more weight.
Camby has only average 55 games a year for his career.

I'm not against trying AR at the position but I think counting on him to play major minutes there is asking for trouble.
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9/10/2010  12:09 AM
Well one thing to consider is that MDA knows how to run a team without playing a traditional C. He's practically never had one worth talking about, except for Shaq. If any coach could make it work it would be Mike. I just don't think it's necessary for the kid to get a lot of minutes. He's gonna be between the 3 and 4 position. We've got Turiaf, Amare & Timo to cover the C spot and don't need AR to play there.
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9/10/2010  7:47 AM
I don't know. At first I was like "no way" but, after thinking about it: IF Mike goes uptempo which, is supposed to be one of Felton's strengths' then it's a strong possibility.
the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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9/10/2010  8:12 AM    LAST EDITED: 9/10/2010  8:15 AM
This is another reason why you include Anthony Randolph in a trade for Carmelo Anthony - his ceiling here might just be a bench player. He's not going to be our starting PF with Amar'e Stoudemire here. He's not going to be a SF with Danilo Gallinari and Wilson Chandler here. So where does he play? Is he really a legit 30 mpg starting Center? Chances are he's not. Randolph best case is probably a 25 mpg bench player being a Andrei Kirilenko type. You trade these players for Stars like Melo. Case closed.
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9/10/2010  8:35 AM
Wilson seems to be the trade bait unless he can do it at sg. He is restricted at seasons end and if gallo is at the sf spot.....

Where that leaves him if melo makes it over is another story.

Key to the future is getting melo for nothing.

But before that is trading eddy and Wilson into an asset. Even if a trading asset for a cp3 deal down the road.


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9/10/2010  8:45 AM
iSergio wrote:This is another reason why you include Anthony Randolph in a trade for Carmelo Anthony - his ceiling here might just be a bench player. He's not going to be our starting PF with Amar'e Stoudemire here. He's not going to be a SF with Danilo Gallinari and Wilson Chandler here. So where does he play? Is he really a legit 30 mpg starting Center? Chances are he's not. Randolph best case is probably a 25 mpg bench player being a Andrei Kirilenko type. You trade these players for Stars like Melo. Case closed.

This is a very good point!
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9/10/2010  9:11 AM
what i likw about what we have is a multitude of big quality players---im not concenred with one guy who neds25 or 35 minutes or who plays where---earn the minuites and play hard---this is where the knicks are bgoing to be able to dominate other teams with their diverse and deep frontline---we could use another shooter if azu isnt there
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9/10/2010  9:53 AM    LAST EDITED: 9/10/2010  9:54 AM
iSergio wrote:This is another reason why you include Anthony Randolph in a trade for Carmelo Anthony - his ceiling here might just be a bench player. He's not going to be our starting PF with Amar'e Stoudemire here. He's not going to be a SF with Danilo Gallinari and Wilson Chandler here. So where does he play? Is he really a legit 30 mpg starting Center? Chances are he's not. Randolph best case is probably a 25 mpg bench player being a Andrei Kirilenko type. You trade these players for Stars like Melo. Case closed.


I think you're still missing the point regarding the Melo trade.
The reason people are saying not to include AR in a trade for Melo is due to the belief that we can
get Melo anyway for free. At least many people feel that way. If that is true, then you don't trade
AR for Melo just because the front court is crowded. You sign Melo outright, and if you're crowded up front
you trade one of the assets for another need.
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9/10/2010  10:02 AM
Panos wrote:
iSergio wrote:This is another reason why you include Anthony Randolph in a trade for Carmelo Anthony - his ceiling here might just be a bench player. He's not going to be our starting PF with Amar'e Stoudemire here. He's not going to be a SF with Danilo Gallinari and Wilson Chandler here. So where does he play? Is he really a legit 30 mpg starting Center? Chances are he's not. Randolph best case is probably a 25 mpg bench player being a Andrei Kirilenko type. You trade these players for Stars like Melo. Case closed.


I think you're still missing the point regarding the Melo trade.
The reason people are saying not to include AR in a trade for Melo is due to the belief that we can
get Melo anyway for free. At least many people feel that way. If that is true, then you don't trade
AR for Melo just because the front court is crowded. You sign Melo outright, and if you're crowded up front
you trade one of the assets for another need.

You can't just sit there and think denver is going to let melo walk...There
is a good chance that a contender, is going to come up with a sweet deal that would benefit both parties, then melo signs and ext, and we lose out

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9/10/2010  10:21 AM
knicks1248 wrote:
Panos wrote:
iSergio wrote:This is another reason why you include Anthony Randolph in a trade for Carmelo Anthony - his ceiling here might just be a bench player. He's not going to be our starting PF with Amar'e Stoudemire here. He's not going to be a SF with Danilo Gallinari and Wilson Chandler here. So where does he play? Is he really a legit 30 mpg starting Center? Chances are he's not. Randolph best case is probably a 25 mpg bench player being a Andrei Kirilenko type. You trade these players for Stars like Melo. Case closed.


I think you're still missing the point regarding the Melo trade.
The reason people are saying not to include AR in a trade for Melo is due to the belief that we can
get Melo anyway for free. At least many people feel that way. If that is true, then you don't trade
AR for Melo just because the front court is crowded. You sign Melo outright, and if you're crowded up front
you trade one of the assets for another need.

You can't just sit there and think denver is going to let melo walk...There
is a good chance that a contender, is going to come up with a sweet deal that would benefit both parties, then melo signs and ext, and we lose out

That is what most on the board don't understand. If Orlando comes up with a deal its guaranteed that he signs an extension with Orlando. I don't want to lose out on Melo it would be another mistake in multitude of mistakes made by the Knicks. No one wants to give up young talent but Melo is a reason to consider trading away young talent as he is young and ready to go into his prime.
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9/10/2010  10:28 AM
Exactly. What are we going to do if Carmelo Anthony get's traded to Chicago or Orlando? How are we supposed to even be in games against Miami's Big 3, the Magic with Dwight Howard and Melo or the Bulls with Derrick Rose, Carlos Boozer and Melo? You need Stars to win in this league! We only have 1 Star in Amar'e Stoudemire and as much as some of you want to play wannabe GM and pencil Danilo Gallinari and Anthony Randolph as Stars, they are not. Gallo and Randolph do NOT have Star talent. They are ROLE PLAYERS. Period.
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9/10/2010  10:33 AM
Silverfuel wrote:
iSergio wrote:This is another reason why you include Anthony Randolph in a trade for Carmelo Anthony - his ceiling here might just be a bench player. He's not going to be our starting PF with Amar'e Stoudemire here. He's not going to be a SF with Danilo Gallinari and Wilson Chandler here. So where does he play? Is he really a legit 30 mpg starting Center? Chances are he's not. Randolph best case is probably a 25 mpg bench player being a Andrei Kirilenko type. You trade these players for Stars like Melo. Case closed.

This is a very good point!

No it's not. A big man who can handle the ball, block shots, shoot, has great athleticism, is getting bigger and stronger and busts it on both ends doesn't have the ceiling of a bench player. You hold on to this type.

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9/10/2010  10:35 AM
iSergio wrote:Exactly. What are we going to do if Carmelo Anthony get's traded to Chicago or Orlando? How are we supposed to even be in games against Miami's Big 3, the Magic with Dwight Howard and Melo or the Bulls with Derrick Rose, Carlos Boozer and Melo? You need Stars to win in this league! We only have 1 Star in Amar'e Stoudemire and as much as some of you want to play wannabe GM and pencil Danilo Gallinari and Anthony Randolph as Stars, they are not. Gallo and Randolph do NOT have Star talent. They are ROLE PLAYERS. Period.

We're not going to be in games against the big 3 if we trade our assets for 'Melo, because then that's all we're gonna have. Melo wasn't able to beat the Elite in the playoffs, he wont do it here. It would be dumb as hell. But I'm not having a Melo arguement anymore. It's stupid to me.

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9/10/2010  10:42 AM
Allanfan20 wrote:
Silverfuel wrote:
iSergio wrote:This is another reason why you include Anthony Randolph in a trade for Carmelo Anthony - his ceiling here might just be a bench player. He's not going to be our starting PF with Amar'e Stoudemire here. He's not going to be a SF with Danilo Gallinari and Wilson Chandler here. So where does he play? Is he really a legit 30 mpg starting Center? Chances are he's not. Randolph best case is probably a 25 mpg bench player being a Andrei Kirilenko type. You trade these players for Stars like Melo. Case closed.

This is a very good point!

No it's not. A big man who can handle the ball, block shots, shoot, has great athleticism, is getting bigger and stronger and busts it on both ends doesn't have the ceiling of a bench player. You hold on to this type.

If Golden State can trade him for David Lee, we can trade him for Carmelo Anthony. Anthony Randolph is not Magic Johnson.
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9/10/2010  10:43 AM
Allanfan20 wrote:
iSergio wrote:Exactly. What are we going to do if Carmelo Anthony get's traded to Chicago or Orlando? How are we supposed to even be in games against Miami's Big 3, the Magic with Dwight Howard and Melo or the Bulls with Derrick Rose, Carlos Boozer and Melo? You need Stars to win in this league! We only have 1 Star in Amar'e Stoudemire and as much as some of you want to play wannabe GM and pencil Danilo Gallinari and Anthony Randolph as Stars, they are not. Gallo and Randolph do NOT have Star talent. They are ROLE PLAYERS. Period.

We're not going to be in games against the big 3 if we trade our assets for 'Melo, because then that's all we're gonna have. Melo wasn't able to beat the Elite in the playoffs, he wont do it here. It would be dumb as hell. But I'm not having a Melo arguement anymore. It's stupid to me.

And Anthony Randolph is supposed to have a major impact against LeCon, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh? Puh-lease. Bosh, as soft as he is, will wipe the floor with Randolph.
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9/10/2010  10:45 AM
I never said he's Magic Johnson and now you're just starting to talk out of your ars so it's not even worth argueing anymore.
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9/10/2010  10:47 AM
Allanfan20 wrote:I never said he's Magic Johnson and now you're just starting to talk out of your ars so it's not even worth argueing anymore.

A big man who can handle the ball, block shots, shoot, has great athleticism, is getting bigger and stronger and busts it on both ends

Sounds like Magic Johnson to me. But yeah, arguing over this is pointless. You Anthony Randolph fans are on a high right now and aren't living in reality.
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iSergio wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:I never said he's Magic Johnson and now you're just starting to talk out of your ars so it's not even worth argueing anymore.

A big man who can handle the ball, block shots, shoot, has great athleticism, is getting bigger and stronger and busts it on both ends

Sounds like Magic Johnson to me. But yeah, arguing over this is pointless. You Anthony Randolph fans are on a high right now and aren't living in reality.

You obviously haven't seen him play then, which is why it's not worth argueing with you. That is his skill set. When he was at LSU, he even played PG at times. Whether you want to deny it or not is cool, but when you're ready to watch him and then have an actual discussion about him, then I'll look foward to that.

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9/10/2010  11:44 AM    LAST EDITED: 9/10/2010  11:51 AM
Silverfuel wrote:
iSergio wrote:This is another reason why you include Anthony Randolph in a trade for Carmelo Anthony - his ceiling here might just be a bench player. He's not going to be our starting PF with Amar'e Stoudemire here. He's not going to be a SF with Danilo Gallinari and Wilson Chandler here. So where does he play? Is he really a legit 30 mpg starting Center? Chances are he's not. Randolph best case is probably a 25 mpg bench player being a Andrei Kirilenko type. You trade these players for Stars like Melo. Case closed.

This is a very good point!

Yeah, right. AR is not an ideal half-court 5 according to a system MDA won't be running, so we better dump the kid for Melo...

Sorry, but that isn't really much of a point. Players aren't locked into specific cubbyholes in MDA's system. AR might play any of the 3-4-5 at some points, depending on matchups and defensive switches. We will all find out more this season about what AR will add as a complementary piece to whomever we use our considerable cap space on. And if he's in MDA's system, he'll likely be flying in it. We don't want to match a traditional roster against Orlando, Boston, Miami and Chicago. We want one that makes the most of the system we've implemented - fast, athletic, long players who shoot and defend and grab boards. We want one that will cause matchups issues for those teams that our guys can exploit.

Panos wrote:I think you're still missing the point regarding the Melo trade.
The reason people are saying not to include AR in a trade for Melo is due to the belief that we can
get Melo anyway for free. At least many people feel that way. If that is true, then you don't trade
AR for Melo just because the front court is crowded. You sign Melo outright, and if you're crowded up front
you trade one of the assets for another need.

Word. Nobody is saying we should forget about Melo. We are saying that we shouldn't gut the roster to acquire an elite scorer. Scoring isn't going to be our weakness. And there's a solid chance Melo truly wants the Knicks, and will grab THAT if he realizes it's there for him (with a solid roster). Mofo is gonna get paid regardless. Only a fool would maximize earnings and miss out on the big picture.

As it turns out, Lebron wasn't interested in that legacy thing. I bet Melo sees the forest through the trees.
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9/10/2010  11:49 AM
iSergio wrote:Exactly. What are we going to do if Carmelo Anthony get's traded to Chicago or Orlando? How are we supposed to even be in games against Miami's Big 3, the Magic with Dwight Howard and Melo or the Bulls with Derrick Rose, Carlos Boozer and Melo? You need Stars to win in this league! We only have 1 Star in Amar'e Stoudemire and as much as some of you want to play wannabe GM and pencil Danilo Gallinari and Anthony Randolph as Stars, they are not. Gallo and Randolph do NOT have Star talent. They are ROLE PLAYERS. Period.

Gallo is a role player? That is a big maybe considering he is one of the best shooters in the league in his second season (and coming off of injury).
But to say that Randolph is a role player shows your ignorance. Have you actually seen him play? The guy can easily be an all star, easily.
You just killed any credibility you ever hoped for by posting such nonsense.

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