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I dont want Melo--he's forcing the issue and I believe SAS who has tremendous credibility--more than any other journalist
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BRIGGS
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9/8/2010  12:27 PM
@stephenasmith: @kingcaba Knicks must get a 3rd team involved. He's losing his patience with them.

All I have t say is I don't want a player who is just out for himself--he wants the 25mm and we would have to give up so much--I pray the Knicks move on form this.

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9/8/2010  12:53 PM
every player in the NBA is out for themselves
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9/8/2010  1:05 PM
TMS wrote:every player in the NBA is out for themselves

Yea I mean what is he supposed to do just forget the money? I really don't think it's all that serious. Sure he wants to get it done sooner rather than later, but if he really wants to come here for what he perceives as a better chance to win, then he should have no problem waiting to make it happen where it's most advantageous to his new team. He shouldn't want us to make a worse deal just to speed it up. He should understand that it's in his best interests if we can force Denver into taking less in this transaction.
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9/8/2010  1:06 PM    LAST EDITED: 9/8/2010  1:13 PM
TMS wrote:every player in the NBA is out for themselves

A fat selfish guy who plays 65 games a year and wants 25mm is not the guy I want to base my franchise on.
Hopefully the Knicks give up everything and Carmelo rips his acl in week 1. That would be atleast as entertaining

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9/8/2010  1:25 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
TMS wrote:every player in the NBA is out for themselves

A fat selfish guy who plays 65 games a year and wants 25mm is not the guy I want to base my franchise on.
Hopefully the Knicks give up everything and Carmelo rips his acl in week 1. That would be atleast as entertaining

What the. You a Knicks fan or a fan of the players. You should never wish ill on anyone if you don't get what you want.
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9/8/2010  1:25 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
TMS wrote:every player in the NBA is out for themselves

A fat selfish guy who plays 65 games a year and wants 25mm is not the guy I want to base my franchise on.
Hopefully the Knicks give up everything and Carmelo rips his acl in week 1. That would be atleast as entertaining

Wow, Briggs. Getting a bit touchy on this one.

I agree completely that we wait for the right deal or pass on him. There will be other fish in the sea and wrecking the core of our team to build around his elite scoring is not a viable long-term plan.

Still, he's just doing what his agent tells him to do, and they like to micromanage the action. As long as he knows Walsh will pass, he will either be willing to wait or HE will move on. The ball is squarely in Walsh's court. We do NOT require Melo to build around. But he would be an excellent piece if we can retain most of our core.
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9/8/2010  1:31 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
TMS wrote:every player in the NBA is out for themselves

A fat selfish guy who plays 65 games a year and wants 25mm is not the guy I want to base my franchise on.
Hopefully the Knicks give up everything and Carmelo rips his acl in week 1. That would be atleast as entertaining

Briggs - I realize you have some serious wood for Gallo and Randolph but lets not forget that Gallo missed almost his entire rookie season with a bad back and Randolph missed a LARGE portion of last year with a bad ankle. Not knocking those guys just saying that Melo is a STUD and players do get injured. Melo isn't fat either --- he is just a big man who is actually in outstanding shape.

Melo has earned what he has coming by leading a once down trodden Nuggets franchise to seven straight playoff appearances. He may not be Lebron, Wade or Jordan but he's an outstanding player.

I'm not worried about the Knicks overpaying for Melo but we should be hoping he's forcing his way out --- hey if you have the leverage why not. It's not like any team gives a rats arss about any players once they've served their purpose to the franchise.
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9/8/2010  2:03 PM
I have said it before and will repeat.. thank god for Walsh. He really is the perfect guy for the Knicks job. He simply doesnt react and is the king of patience. He's not going to move all his ponies for this one horse, he just isnt. Look at his trades for the last 20 years. He's ALWAYS a guy who looks for depth and value.

Melo can be a big time player in NY, but he's not the superstar people here think he is, he just isnt. He's not even Amare. Amare is a 5 time all star and has gone every healthy year. He's had huge playoff series, outplayed other elite frontcourt players, plays on both ends, has an elite scoring % while Melo is a 3 time all, has advanced one year and consistantly gets outplayed by NBA elite players.

Hey.. if its next summer I would 100% say yes to a max contract for Melo to be our 2/3 SG for the next 6 years. Sign me up. I would very much like to see a starting lineup of Felton, Melo, Gallo, AR, Amare. That would be hotstuff, but then again maybe we want Gasol, or maybe we are better than people thought and be better off with depth like Dalembert and Battier. Who knows. Dont need Melo now though... thanks. Have a nice day. 30 shots a game @ 45%... not today. Thanks.

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9/8/2010  2:05 PM
fishmike wrote:I have said it before and will repeat.. thank god for Walsh. He really is the perfect guy for the Knicks job. He simply doesnt react and is the king of patience. He's not going to move all his ponies for this one horse, he just isnt. Look at his trades for the last 20 years. He's ALWAYS a guy who looks for depth and value.

Melo can be a big time player in NY, but he's not the superstar people here think he is, he just isnt. He's not even Amare. Amare is a 5 time all star and has gone every healthy year. He's had huge playoff series, outplayed other elite frontcourt players, plays on both ends, has an elite scoring % while Melo is a 3 time all, has advanced one year and consistantly gets outplayed by NBA elite players.

Hey.. if its next summer I would 100% say yes to a max contract for Melo to be our 2/3 SG for the next 6 years. Sign me up. I would very much like to see a starting lineup of Felton, Melo, Gallo, AR, Amare. That would be hotstuff, but then again maybe we want Gasol, or maybe we are better than people thought and be better off with depth like Dalembert and Battier. Who knows. Dont need Melo now though... thanks. Have a nice day. 30 shots a game @ 45%... not today. Thanks.

agree with all of this. there is zero reason for walsh to trade for melo. he'll be a free agent. if melo doesn't want the extension so be it, but don't give up when you've got the leverage.

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9/8/2010  2:29 PM
Melo's great, and you do what you can to get him, but Im glad Walsh is the GM, isiah or layden would have emptied our squad to get him. The goal is to build a team that can contend for the next decade. Why give away the farm when we can maintain flexibility and maybe even add Melo via free agency? Let's face it even if we get Melo right now, its not like we're getting to the NBA finals or even conference finals. If we give away our talent now, what are we left with? Now if Melo was a top 3 player then maybe but..i dont think he is. Heck, maybe if we had stockpiled some picks we could trade for Melo now, but like usual the franchise has no picks. Its probably better to just hold on to Gallo, AR, future picks, and see what the team can do come july.
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9/8/2010  2:30 PM
If Dolan wants him, Walsh will either comply or resign.


SAS is credible? I thought the dude hits 50% like the rest of them.

Denver is likely under pressure from other owner to not cave into this dude.

Melo can have his freedom or his extension, not both!!!!!!

Lets hope Dolan does not cave into the Starphuch abyss! Im for getting Melo, but not at a high price.
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9/8/2010  2:46 PM
Looks like the days of the Knicks being an easy mark for every other GM are over, or until Walsh leaves. I'm not as upset about it as Briggs is, Melo just sounds like he really wants to be a Knick. I do agree that its not the time to hit the panic button. Just like the other teams that want Anthony, Walsh is waiting for the Nuggets to lower their offer, as he should.
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9/8/2010  3:09 PM
LivingLegend wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
TMS wrote:every player in the NBA is out for themselves

A fat selfish guy who plays 65 games a year and wants 25mm is not the guy I want to base my franchise on.
Hopefully the Knicks give up everything and Carmelo rips his acl in week 1. That would be atleast as entertaining

Briggs - I realize you have some serious wood for Gallo and Randolph but lets not forget that Gallo missed almost his entire rookie season with a bad back and Randolph missed a LARGE portion of last year with a bad ankle. Not knocking those guys just saying that Melo is a STUD and players do get injured. Melo isn't fat either --- he is just a big man who is actually in outstanding shape.

Melo has earned what he has coming by leading a once down trodden Nuggets franchise to seven straight playoff appearances. He may not be Lebron, Wade or Jordan but he's an outstanding player.

I'm not worried about the Knicks overpaying for Melo but we should be hoping he's forcing his way out --- hey if you have the leverage why not. It's not like any team gives a rats arss about any players once they've served their purpose to the franchise.

not so sure about that.. Briggs has been very critical of gallo, now he has always been high on AR...

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9/8/2010  3:24 PM    LAST EDITED: 9/8/2010  3:26 PM
Vmart wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
TMS wrote:every player in the NBA is out for themselves

A fat selfish guy who plays 65 games a year and wants 25mm is not the guy I want to base my franchise on.
Hopefully the Knicks give up everything and Carmelo rips his acl in week 1. That would be atleast as entertaining

What the. You a Knicks fan or a fan of the players. You should never wish ill on anyone if you don't get what you want.

It happened with antonio mcduess--it can happen again--what do you learn from trades where you give up so much for one player--dont do it. It didnt come out of my keyboard very well--but not personal wish no ill will on anyone

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9/8/2010  3:24 PM
tkf wrote:
LivingLegend wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
TMS wrote:every player in the NBA is out for themselves

A fat selfish guy who plays 65 games a year and wants 25mm is not the guy I want to base my franchise on.
Hopefully the Knicks give up everything and Carmelo rips his acl in week 1. That would be atleast as entertaining

Briggs - I realize you have some serious wood for Gallo and Randolph but lets not forget that Gallo missed almost his entire rookie season with a bad back and Randolph missed a LARGE portion of last year with a bad ankle. Not knocking those guys just saying that Melo is a STUD and players do get injured. Melo isn't fat either --- he is just a big man who is actually in outstanding shape.

Melo has earned what he has coming by leading a once down trodden Nuggets franchise to seven straight playoff appearances. He may not be Lebron, Wade or Jordan but he's an outstanding player.

I'm not worried about the Knicks overpaying for Melo but we should be hoping he's forcing his way out --- hey if you have the leverage why not. It's not like any team gives a rats arss about any players once they've served their purpose to the franchise.

not so sure about that.. Briggs has been very critical of gallo, now he has always been high on AR...

Ive put Gallo on untouchable status for months now.

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9/8/2010  6:30 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
TMS wrote:every player in the NBA is out for themselves

A fat selfish guy who plays 65 games a year and wants 25mm is not the guy I want to base my franchise on.
Hopefully the Knicks give up everything and Carmelo rips his acl in week 1. That would be atleast as entertaining

You bringin the deathwish now? You may not like Melo but why wish him harm?

TKF on Melo ::....he is a punk, a jerk, a self absorbed out of shape, self aggrandizing, unprofessional, volume chucking coach killing playoff loser!!
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9/8/2010  6:56 PM
it always gives me a laugh to hear guys on this forum bash on Carmelo Anthony & yet the same guys were saying we'd be absolute fools not to re-sign David Lee to a 6 year $80M extension this summer... now all of a sudden David Lee is an afterthought & the guy we traded him for is an absolute untouchable before he's proven anything in the NBA.

should we trade the farm to get Melo? no... would Melo make us a better team? yes... is Melo a better scorer than anyone we've had since Bernard King? yes.

to hear guys talk about him you'd think he was some broken down over the hill player with baggage & a huge contract that we'd be better off to avoid... it's insanity.

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9/8/2010  7:37 PM
TMS wrote:it always gives me a laugh to hear guys on this forum bash on Carmelo Anthony & yet the same guys were saying we'd be absolute fools not to re-sign David Lee to a 6 year $80M extension this summer... now all of a sudden David Lee is an afterthought & the guy we traded him for is an absolute untouchable before he's proven anything in the NBA.

should we trade the farm to get Melo? no... would Melo make us a better team? yes... is Melo a better scorer than anyone we've had since Bernard King? yes.

to hear guys talk about him you'd think he was some broken down over the hill player with baggage & a huge contract that we'd be better off to avoid... it's insanity.


If the Knicks find a way to lose out on Melo its going to be a sad day in the franchise history. Relying on the unknown for a sure thing is not the way to go. You have Amare and he has and NBA shelf life you build around him ASAP and get it going. There isn't much time to waste as NBA windows of opportunity close in a hurry. Like I said before I think everyone would like to see the young players that we have currently. But when they are kicking on all cylinders Amare will be winding down in his run. That is why it is imperative to get Melo to go along with Felton and Amare. If the Knicks can manage to keep AR or Gallo that will be a plus no doubt. Panic moves need not be made as waiting Denver out is the way to go. AS the trade deadline approaches Denver will have their hands tied and will probably settle for a lot less.
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9/8/2010  8:05 PM
TMS wrote:it always gives me a laugh to hear guys on this forum bash on Carmelo Anthony & yet the same guys were saying we'd be absolute fools not to re-sign David Lee to a 6 year $80M extension this summer... now all of a sudden David Lee is an afterthought & the guy we traded him for is an absolute untouchable before he's proven anything in the NBA.

should we trade the farm to get Melo? no... would Melo make us a better team? yes... is Melo a better scorer than anyone we've had since Bernard King? yes.

to hear guys talk about him you'd think he was some broken down over the hill player with baggage & a huge contract that we'd be better off to avoid... it's insanity.

who is saying that?

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martin wrote:
TMS wrote:it always gives me a laugh to hear guys on this forum bash on Carmelo Anthony & yet the same guys were saying we'd be absolute fools not to re-sign David Lee to a 6 year $80M extension this summer... now all of a sudden David Lee is an afterthought & the guy we traded him for is an absolute untouchable before he's proven anything in the NBA.

should we trade the farm to get Melo? no... would Melo make us a better team? yes... is Melo a better scorer than anyone we've had since Bernard King? yes.

to hear guys talk about him you'd think he was some broken down over the hill player with baggage & a huge contract that we'd be better off to avoid... it's insanity.

who is saying that?

few posts from the start -- "A fat selfish guy who plays 65 games a year and wants 25mm is not the guy I want to base my franchise on."

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