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Randolph at the 3, Gallo at the 2?
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8/28/2010  6:26 AM
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/knicks_tall_order_enKa256I39VK90Xv4ijzbK

Could this actually work for the Knicks? I would think Randolph is more likely a center in the system, especially at 6'11 225, and there isn't nearly enough shooting, but the post is basically suggesting a lineup of

C Turiaf
PF Stoudemire
SF Randolph
SG Gallo
PG Felton

to start the season. Thoughts?

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8/28/2010  7:29 AM
To me, the main issue with this lineup is the perimeter defense... Can AR and Gallo cover for each other on the perimeter, because they will probably get beat on a consistent basis one on one. It will need a lot of communication.

With this lineup though, you can switch on most picks so that's a plus.

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8/28/2010  9:37 AM    LAST EDITED: 8/28/2010  9:38 AM
To me the issue is perimeter offense.

Does not seem like a lineup MDA would want to work with, to be honest. Very inconsistent perimeter shooting, with Gallo being the only guy on the floor with some distance on his shot.

I will be very surprised if this is a lineup that gets significant play this year.

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8/28/2010  9:47 AM
I'd rather see:

Felton
Azubuike/Chandler
Gallo
Amare
AR

I think D'Antoni will (eventually) see AR as a Camby/Marion type that he can play at center.

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8/28/2010  9:47 AM
Also, AR might be my new favorite Knicks player.
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8/28/2010  9:51 AM
Gallo at the 2 is like Nate at the 1. You can use him there for short spurts, but if you stick him there for too long, it's going to blow up, because he's not going to be able to cover his man consistently. What's the point in it anyway? Don't these beat writers even realize that Turiaf isn't at all a starter?
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8/28/2010  10:02 AM
Allanfan20 wrote:Gallo at the 2 is like Nate at the 1. You can use him there for short spurts, but if you stick him there for too long, it's going to blow up, because he's not going to be able to cover his man consistently. What's the point in it anyway? Don't these beat writers even realize that Turiaf isn't at all a starter?

this team is being overhyped like nobody's business.

i love the knicks as much as anyone, but really.

we got:

-guys who weren't wanted by their teams

-guys who have potential but have yet to put it together

-injured guys

-guys that have been mediocre for 5 years who are suddenly going to be great

-guys who were allowed to shamelessly bomb away 3's who are now supposed to become all-around players

i'm all for a fresh start, but i fear guys are in for the biggest letdown since the larry brown year.

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8/28/2010  10:31 AM
This lineup would work, but only with zone defense. With Gallo, Amare, & most importantly Felton playing the passing lanes.
I agree with the previous poster who said you cuold get away with this in short spurts. Like 3 or 4 minutes.
Unfortunately a zone defense would really slow our offense up with this lineup. Gallo would be keyed in on and Felton would have his work cut out for him.
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8/28/2010  10:34 AM
Marv wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:Gallo at the 2 is like Nate at the 1. You can use him there for short spurts, but if you stick him there for too long, it's going to blow up, because he's not going to be able to cover his man consistently. What's the point in it anyway? Don't these beat writers even realize that Turiaf isn't at all a starter?

this team is being overhyped like nobody's business.

i love the knicks as much as anyone, but really.

we got:

-guys who weren't wanted by their teams

-guys who have potential but have yet to put it together

-injured guys

-guys that have been mediocre for 5 years who are suddenly going to be great

-guys who were allowed to shamelessly bomb away 3's who are now supposed to become all-around players

i'm all for a fresh start, but i fear guys are in for the biggest letdown since the larry brown year.

no way dude... we come back with the things we did well last year intact, and we fixed the things that were dreadful last two years.

We finally have a steady PG/floor general who (possibly most important) can really defend the PG position. Felton *could* explode and show more than he did in 5 year @ Cha but the Knicks will be greatly improved if he just does what he did there.

You finally have an anchor out there in the middle also in Amare. A guy who can really defend opposing players in the post, scores like an elite post player w/ 25ppg and at over 55%.

Those two guys will curb the erratic play. One is a veteran in the current coaches system. The other is coming from playing PG under Larry Brown for a couple years. Both playoff teams.

If Gallo can just keep stretching the floor and playing like he did end of last year along w/ Chandler filling out the stat sheet and giving you 15/6 playing good D and shooting 50% the Knicks will be a solid team. They should certainly be able to pad their win totals against the teams that are in transition or struggling.

When I say Knicks should win 45 games its not based on Mosgov being a monster or AR (didnt even mention him) or Gallo suddenly being all stars.

Knicks just need to do what they can do in this coach's system and defend every night.

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8/28/2010  11:01 AM
AR couldn't hit a jumper outside of 10-15 feet. Makes no sense to have him at the three. Gallo will stuggle guarding opposing sgs. His handle isn't that great so that would basically make him a detriment to the team. You best lineup would probably be:

Gallo sf
Amare pf
AR C
Chandler sg
Felton pg

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8/28/2010  11:06 AM
fishmike wrote:
Marv wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:Gallo at the 2 is like Nate at the 1. You can use him there for short spurts, but if you stick him there for too long, it's going to blow up, because he's not going to be able to cover his man consistently. What's the point in it anyway? Don't these beat writers even realize that Turiaf isn't at all a starter?

this team is being overhyped like nobody's business.

i love the knicks as much as anyone, but really.

we got:

-guys who weren't wanted by their teams

-guys who have potential but have yet to put it together

-injured guys

-guys that have been mediocre for 5 years who are suddenly going to be great

-guys who were allowed to shamelessly bomb away 3's who are now supposed to become all-around players

i'm all for a fresh start, but i fear guys are in for the biggest letdown since the larry brown year.

no way dude... we come back with the things we did well last year intact, and we fixed the things that were dreadful last two years.

We finally have a steady PG/floor general who (possibly most important) can really defend the PG position. Felton *could* explode and show more than he did in 5 year @ Cha but the Knicks will be greatly improved if he just does what he did there.

You finally have an anchor out there in the middle also in Amare. A guy who can really defend opposing players in the post, scores like an elite post player w/ 25ppg and at over 55%.

Those two guys will curb the erratic play. One is a veteran in the current coaches system. The other is coming from playing PG under Larry Brown for a couple years. Both playoff teams.

If Gallo can just keep stretching the floor and playing like he did end of last year along w/ Chandler filling out the stat sheet and giving you 15/6 playing good D and shooting 50% the Knicks will be a solid team. They should certainly be able to pad their win totals against the teams that are in transition or struggling.

When I say Knicks should win 45 games its not based on Mosgov being a monster or AR (didnt even mention him) or Gallo suddenly being all stars.

Knicks just need to do what they can do in this coach's system and defend every night.

hey i hope like hell you're right.

i'm not predicting it though.

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8/28/2010  11:15 AM
Knixkik wrote:http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/knicks_tall_order_enKa256I39VK90Xv4ijzbK

Could this actually work for the Knicks? I would think Randolph is more likely a center in the system, especially at 6'11 225, and there isn't nearly enough shooting, but the post is basically suggesting a lineup of

C Turiaf
PF Stoudemire
SF Randolph
SG Gallo
PG Felton

to start the season. Thoughts?

Camby played c when he came into the league @ 6-11 225


My line up

C-Randolph
F Amare
F Gallo
G Chandler
G Felton

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8/28/2010  11:17 AM
starting Turriaf @ C is not putting your best 5 on the court--he's a decent player--a good passer finisher shot blocker--but really what he is is an energy player from the bench--not a starting C in the nBA.
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8/28/2010  11:20 AM
Paladin55 wrote:To me the issue is perimeter offense.

Does not seem like a lineup MDA would want to work with, to be honest. Very inconsistent perimeter shooting, with Gallo being the only guy on the floor with some distance on his shot.

I will be very surprised if this is a lineup that gets significant play this year.

I don't think we need to focus on taking so many 3's--no team will win like that.
We can take a good 3 and we have guys who can do that in both 1st and 2ndunits. but the diversification away from 3 would be in our best interests. If Gallo is on a role--great--if not move the ball and find the open man and run--thats what we have--what we can be very successful with--hard to match up with.

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8/28/2010  11:28 AM
Vmart wrote:AR couldn't hit a jumper outside of 10-15 feet. Makes no sense to have him at the three. Gallo will stuggle guarding opposing sgs. His handle isn't that great so that would basically make him a detriment to the team. You best lineup would probably be:

Gallo sf
Amare pf
AR C
Chandler sg
Felton pg

I like this line-up. Plenty of offense, strong defense. 'Buke off the bench as 6th man.

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8/28/2010  11:55 AM
Sangfroid wrote:
Vmart wrote:AR couldn't hit a jumper outside of 10-15 feet. Makes no sense to have him at the three. Gallo will stuggle guarding opposing sgs. His handle isn't that great so that would basically make him a detriment to the team. You best lineup would probably be:

Gallo sf
Amare pf
AR C
Chandler sg
Felton pg

I like this line-up. Plenty of offense, strong defense. 'Buke off the bench as 6th man.

Yes this stuff about Turriaf at starting 5 is duke. Randolph is the same exact size now that Camby was going into the nBA and Amare can also shift there on some plays. You play your best 5. 6-11 225 is a solid person.

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8/28/2010  11:59 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
Paladin55 wrote:To me the issue is perimeter offense.

Does not seem like a lineup MDA would want to work with, to be honest. Very inconsistent perimeter shooting, with Gallo being the only guy on the floor with some distance on his shot.

I will be very surprised if this is a lineup that gets significant play this year.

I don't think we need to focus on taking so many 3's--no team will win like that.
We can take a good 3 and we have guys who can do that in both 1st and 2ndunits. but the diversification away from 3 would be in our best interests. If Gallo is on a role--great--if not move the ball and find the open man and run--thats what we have--what we can be very successful with--hard to match up with.

Mike won 62 games taking the most 3's in the league! It's not bad when it's in the flow of the offense and you can shoot 3's for a high %. Remember that this system being so fast you can afford a few missed 3's here and there. It's part of why the system works. Very few defenses can cover the entire floor perfectly every possession if you can stretch them out.

When you're SG & SF are always in the corners and your 4 is a threat anywhere he is within 20' of the basket, that leaves plenty of room to attack the middle. Your C can run down and post or set a pick or your 4 can do it and teams will have to pick their poison. Leave Gallo or AZ/Chan wide open so you can double Amare or stay home and let Amare posterize your 4. It also leaves a ton of room for Felton to penetrate the D and force them to react. This is why PG's stats go up playing for MDA. If Duhon didn't suck he wouldn't have missed so many great opportunities to score or get the assist. The openings were there, he just couldn't take advantage of all of them. Duhon could only execute the PnR part of it, but there was so much more available to him. If AR has indeed improved his jumper, this is going to be a very unstoppable team. We were a top scoring team and we had no PG or Bigs and not enough outside shooting.

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8/28/2010  12:20 PM
BRIGGS wrote:starting Turriaf @ C is not putting your best 5 on the court--he's a decent player--a good passer finisher shot blocker--but really what he is is an energy player from the bench--not a starting C in the nBA.
Unless Amare starts at center I don't see anyway Turiaf isn't D'Antoni's starting center. D'Antoni wants polished vets on the court.
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8/28/2010  12:39 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:starting Turriaf @ C is not putting your best 5 on the court--he's a decent player--a good passer finisher shot blocker--but really what he is is an energy player from the bench--not a starting C in the nBA.
Unless Amare starts at center I don't see anyway Turiaf isn't D'Antoni's starting center. D'Antoni wants polished vets on the court.

Was Gallo or Chan a polished vet? I think people tend to get to into these assumptions. Mike was the one that wanted to play Joe Johnson more and he played a young Barbosa quite a bit. He doesn't want to have a rookie out there fumbling around but if a young player shows he can play, he'll give him minutes. I wouldn't let the strange situation of the last season sway opinion too much. If AR really impresses in practice he'll play a ton. It won't matter if he starts Turiaf, cuz he probably won't get starter minutes. AR is a more productive player when given minutes, so I would expect that he'd end up avg'ing more minutes than Turiaf.
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8/28/2010  1:28 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/28/2010  1:30 PM
BRIGGS wrote:starting Turriaf @ C is not putting your best 5 on the court--he's a decent player--a good passer finisher shot blocker--but really what he is is an energy player from the bench--not a starting C in the nBA.

MDA started Fishlips for a long stretch of games last year... doesn't matter what you think, he's going to start the guys he feels he wants to roll with... i have a feeling Turiaf is going to fit that mold, at least to start the season off... i wouldn't be surprised to see AR work himself into a starting role but i doubt he'll be in the starting 5 to start the season.

PF - Felton
SG - Wilson
SF - Gallo
PF - Amare
C - Turiaf

IMO that's the starting 5 he's going to roll with, at least to kick off the season.

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Randolph at the 3, Gallo at the 2?

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