ONe year guarantee on his contract.

Winning a championship does not rest on this signing.

I understand we talking backup center when we don't have starting quality yet.

We sck.

Andrew wrote:One of 2 reasons Earl is not signed right now (by the Knicks or another team). He isn't that good, or more likely is asking for too much, maybe a multi year guaranteed deal. If all it is taking is a 1M offer for one year I find it hard to believe that another team (Miami) has not signed him.

Yup.

In my opinion he showed enough last year to intrigue teams, and possibly warrant the kind of contract that a #2 pick might get, and I have been stunned that his name has never come up at all, but you have to think that he and his agent have overestimated his value.

Paladin55 wrote:

fishmike wrote:by this logic everyone that doesnt have NBA experience has also proven nothing and therefor Earl Baron is better than those guy.

Briggs... have you watched ALL the videos of the guy? He's 2x the athlete Baron is, and he's shown he's got a nice jumper, can make some good passes, great help defender and can clean glass.

If you want proven then you would agree to trade Gallo+AR for Melo.

Mosgov is an upside signing.

go watch the film and honestly tell me he's not 2x the prospect that BJ Muellens was

I have not seen the consistent J in any of the clips I have watched. I see him as a banger who will grab some rebounds, block some shots, and put some guys on their butts, and sweeten things with a few pick & roll baskets.

I'm happy with the guy at this point, and we did not overpay, IMO.

With that said, I was also impressed with Baron last year. Had some flaws, but he showed a very good midrange J, and some rebounding ability in the short time he played for us. I thought he would be back, and thought it would be a good idea to sign him.

I 100% agree with anyone that says there is no way of telling if his skills will translate to the NBA game until we see him play the NBA.

but we DO see a 7'1 285 VERY mobile athletic player with a pretty solid skill set.

My question for Briggs is how do you go gaga over a guy like Muellins who played like 15mpg one year at OH and ended up in the D league all year, but a guy like Mosgov isnt worth Earl Barron

fishmike wrote:

Paladin55 wrote:

fishmike wrote:by this logic everyone that doesnt have NBA experience has also proven nothing and therefor Earl Baron is better than those guy.

Briggs... have you watched ALL the videos of the guy? He's 2x the athlete Baron is, and he's shown he's got a nice jumper, can make some good passes, great help defender and can clean glass.

If you want proven then you would agree to trade Gallo+AR for Melo.

Mosgov is an upside signing.

go watch the film and honestly tell me he's not 2x the prospect that BJ Muellens was

I have not seen the consistent J in any of the clips I have watched. I see him as a banger who will grab some rebounds, block some shots, and put some guys on their butts, and sweeten things with a few pick & roll baskets.

I'm happy with the guy at this point, and we did not overpay, IMO.

With that said, I was also impressed with Baron last year. Had some flaws, but he showed a very good midrange J, and some rebounding ability in the short time he played for us. I thought he would be back, and thought it would be a good idea to sign him.

consistant jumper? I have no idea... but he knocked down a 15 footer in the flow of the offense. All I am saying is that it exists.

I 100% agree with anyone that says there is no way of telling if his skills will translate to the NBA game until we see him play the NBA.

but we DO see a 7'1 285 VERY mobile athletic player with a pretty solid skill set.

My question for Briggs is how do you go gaga over a guy like Muellins who played like 15mpg one year at OH and ended up in the D league all year, but a guy like Mosgov isnt worth Earl Barron

Mullens--if he was picked out of HS wouldve went top 10 and even with a sub par year 1 where he just showed some signs--was still a top 25 pick. Can you show me where Mosgov was evaluated anywhere the last 3 years as a draft prospect? Mullens is showing that he can be a very decent skill 5 if he continues on this pace --he still may a be a victim of coming out to early but I think he will eventually be a good solid 5 who can shoot it. Mosgov--from what I have seen--looks like he will have a quick 3 fouls in NBA action in many many games if given a chance. He needs developmental time against this level.

Barron on the other hand is a guy who you can rely on now and I wouldve spent the 2-3mm on him if need be for 2/3 instead of Mosgov.

BRIGGS wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Paladin55 wrote:

fishmike wrote:by this logic everyone that doesnt have NBA experience has also proven nothing and therefor Earl Baron is better than those guy.

Briggs... have you watched ALL the videos of the guy? He's 2x the athlete Baron is, and he's shown he's got a nice jumper, can make some good passes, great help defender and can clean glass.

If you want proven then you would agree to trade Gallo+AR for Melo.

Mosgov is an upside signing.

go watch the film and honestly tell me he's not 2x the prospect that BJ Muellens was

I have not seen the consistent J in any of the clips I have watched. I see him as a banger who will grab some rebounds, block some shots, and put some guys on their butts, and sweeten things with a few pick & roll baskets.

I'm happy with the guy at this point, and we did not overpay, IMO.

With that said, I was also impressed with Baron last year. Had some flaws, but he showed a very good midrange J, and some rebounding ability in the short time he played for us. I thought he would be back, and thought it would be a good idea to sign him.

consistant jumper? I have no idea... but he knocked down a 15 footer in the flow of the offense. All I am saying is that it exists.

I 100% agree with anyone that says there is no way of telling if his skills will translate to the NBA game until we see him play the NBA.

but we DO see a 7'1 285 VERY mobile athletic player with a pretty solid skill set.

My question for Briggs is how do you go gaga over a guy like Muellins who played like 15mpg one year at OH and ended up in the D league all year, but a guy like Mosgov isnt worth Earl Barron

Mullens--if he was picked out of HS wouldve went top 10 and even with a sub par year 1 where he just showed some signs--was still a top 25 pick. Can you show me where Mosgov was evaluated anywhere the last 3 years as a draft prospect? Mullens is showing that he can be a very decent skill 5 if he continues on this pace --he still may a be a victim of coming out to early but I think he will eventually be a good solid 5 who can shoot it. Mosgov--from what I have seen--looks like he will have a quick 3 fouls in NBA action in many many games if given a chance. He needs developmental time against this level.

Barron on the other hand is a guy who you can rely on now and I wouldve spent the 2-3mm on him if need be for 2/3 instead of Mosgov.

Hey... Eddy Curry was a top 3 pick. Wow. Gee whizz.

The question I asked you was you honest opinion on what you saw from the videos of Mosgov, and how that compares to some of the other guys you have been VERY high on. I have followed pretty much all your predictions over the years Briggs. Not because (like some around here) I give two craps if your right or wrong. I know you know something about the game and you watch more than I do, so players you pump are interesting to me. Some are studs, some are duds. I'm just trying to get what do dont like about Mosgov, aside from he's an unknown.

And if you say "he's got stiff legs" I will hunt you down and make you eat Marv's 200 year old undies