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Knicks Offer Chandler For Fernandez
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Aug 20, 2010 7:38 AM EST

The Knicks are among the teams trying to acquire Rudy Fernandez from the Trail Blazers and they have offered forward Wilson Chandler.

A league source told ESPN.com's Chris Sheridan that the Bulls and Celtics have each offered Portland a first-round draft pick in exchange for the Spanish swingman.

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8/20/2010  8:15 AM
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/286/knicks-in-the-mix-for-rudy-fernandez

Knicks in the mix for Rudy Fernandez
August, 20, 2010 Aug 204:56AM ETEmail Print Comments By Chris Sheridan

MADRID, Spain - I mentioned this in my report yesterday on the feud/pending divorce between Rudy Fernandez and the Portland Trail Blazers, but it belongs in the lead paragraph for this site: The Knicks are among the teams trying to acquire the Spanish shooting guard, and they have offered Wilson Chandler.

Other offers on the table include the Boston Celtics and Chicago Bulls each offering a No. 1 draft pick in 2011, a league source told ESPN.com.

But after the Blazers turned down several offers of first-round picks in the teens on draft night when the team was still being run by former general manager Kevin Pritchard, they are looking to see if they can get a similar offer from a team they believe will finish in the middle of the pack next season.

Chandler has had an eventful offseason, but his brush with the law is not something that is scaring the Blazers from taking him in a trade. New Portland general manager Rich Cho is simply trying to scour the league for the best offer he can find, and something more appealing than Chandler or a pick that'll probably fall in the mid-20s could become available between now and the start of training camp.

Since the Knicks did not have a first-round pick in 2010, they are prohibited under league rules from offering their 2011 pick (because teams are not allowed to go consecutive years without having a No. 1 pick, something known as the Ted Stepian rule).

The Houston Rockets own the rights to the Knicks' 2012 pick from last February's Jared Jeffries trade, and they also have the right to swap first-round picks with New York next June. That means if Knicks president Donnie Walsh wants to offer Portland a No. 1 pick, it would have to be a pick in 2014 or later.

One possibility for the Knicks would be to trade Chandler to a third team for a No. 1 pick in 2012, and then ship that pick to Portland for Fernandez.

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8/20/2010  8:28 AM
Looks like Rudy is back in the mix? My guess is that he may also back-up PG as we now have 3 players at the 2 guard - AZubuike, Bill Walker, Roger Mason. And we really don't need Rudy. Interesting that in the 2007 draft, Chandler was picked #23 and Rudy #24. Chandler has had the better career so far and Rudy wants to go back to Europe to play. It would seem like we are in a better trade position and we should get back more back for Chandler. Maybe a 2nd round pick?

One possibility for the Knicks would be to trade Chandler to a third team for a No. 1 pick in 2012, and then ship that pick to Portland for Fernandez.
One horrible scenario - we trade Chandler back to Houston for our 2012 pick which we then package to Portland.
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8/20/2010  8:29 AM
This would be a terrible trade. Rudy Fernandez is not half the player Wilson Chandler is.
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8/20/2010  8:36 AM
iSergio wrote:This would be a terrible trade. Rudy Fernandez is not half the player Wilson Chandler is.

EXACTLY

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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8/20/2010  8:42 AM
he's a 6'6 jumpshooter. He's fast and very good coming off screens. He's just under 40% from 3pt range which is OK.

I just dont see the big need, especially if Azubieke is healthy. Azu was poised for a breakout season before he got hurt. Rather keep Chandler and see if Azu is the real deal because he might just be the next Allan Houston. Dude shoots +40% from 3, and is a much better defender and rebounder than Rudy.

This move would NOT make me happy

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8/20/2010  9:14 AM    LAST EDITED: 8/20/2010  10:01 AM
The trade rumor is probably circulated by Portland.

Knicks Offer Chandler for Rudy Fernandez: Not Buying It
Written by BigC

At this point I really doubt that the Knicks would trade Wilson Chandler for Rudy Fernandez. I think this is a old rumor that is being brought up by Rudy Fernandez's agent and the Blazers as their last attempt to get teams to give up a pick for Rudy. One day we are hearing that Rudy Fernandez's never wants to play in the NBA, the next day the Knicks have offered Wilson Chandler. I really don't buy this. If the Knicks are going to trade Wilson Chandler they are going save a him for a Chris Paul, or Carmelo Anthony trade. This story seems to be recycled. Like I have said before, the Knicks are really high on Wilson Chandler.

http://www.fromthebaseline.com/home-mainmenu-1/blogs/2666-knicks-make-offer-chandler-for-rudy-fernandez

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8/20/2010  9:25 AM
this move might be a pre-cursor to a melo trade if you think about it.

knicks would lose gallo, their best shooter in the melo deal - getting rudy now would fill the jump-shooter role. chandler is kinda redundant if melo is here to be honest.

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8/20/2010  9:35 AM
You should know how much MDA wants to have shooters on his squad..he would rather have a perimeter player any day of the week, as oppose to a player like chandler who's not great at anything.

Chandler is a IT player, a guy who can play multiple postions and athletic.
Why this comes as a surprise to many is baffling

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8/20/2010  9:43 AM
Are we really doing this again?? There is nothing new in terms of rumors - this stuff is all old news that was already reported when the trade rumors first surfaced. We've debated and beat the whole chandler vs. rudy thing to a pulp already.
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8/20/2010  9:53 AM
I think this is a bad move for three reasons.

First, do the Knicks really need another shooter?

Second, Wilson is a strong defensive presence on an otherwise defensively weak Knick team.

Third, Wilson should be playing every day and getting his fair share of minutes. Beside helping the team with his presence in general, his trade value can be increased. If their going to trade him, let it be part of a package to acquire a Melo or CP, not a merely nice but unspectacular role player like Rudy.

Another perspective on nyk4ever's point, I think Gallo and Chandler could go together nicely for a Melo trade as the pair would fill a lot of his stats for Denver and make up for Kenyon missing time in the first half of the season...not that I want the Knicks to lose either player.

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8/20/2010  10:07 AM
knicks1248 wrote:You should know how much MDA wants to have shooters on his squad..he would rather have a perimeter player any day of the week, as oppose to a player like chandler who's not great at anything.

Chandler is a IT player, a guy who can play multiple postions and athletic.
Why this comes as a surprise to many is baffling

Chandler is pretty good at defense, one of the best on our team.

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8/20/2010  10:15 AM
iSergio wrote:This would be a terrible trade. Rudy Fernandez is not half the player Wilson Chandler is.

Exactly. The deal is TERRIBLE. Probably also means we arent getting Carmelo through a trade.

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8/20/2010  10:17 AM
AnubisADL wrote:
iSergio wrote:This would be a terrible trade. Rudy Fernandez is not half the player Wilson Chandler is.

Exactly. The deal is TERRIBLE. Probably also means we arent getting Carmelo through a trade.

the best course for this team is to wait to sign melo as a free agent.

opening night 2011, this would be pretty amazing. and we'd be fully loaded to make a potential chris paul trade.

1: felton
1-2: douglas
2: fernandez
2-3: bookie
3: melo
3-4: gallo
4: amare
4-5: ar
5: ronny

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8/20/2010  10:19 AM
I don't believe this is even remotely true- probably it was put out by Portland, and goes to show how delusional they are. Chandler was a higher pick, has had a better career, has a great attitude, whilst Rudy had one good year as a 20min backup, absolutely stunk last year, has a bad attitude and is threatening to return to Spain. Yet somehow Portland are claiming that his value is higher than chandler, because they initially claimed they rejected this trade because it didn't include a 1st round pick!!!! WTF?!?! They have been arguing that a late 1st is meaningless to them because they can just buy one of those, so they want a player too- what the heck kind of logic is that? They seem to be declaring that Rudy's value is basically what it should be if he had maximised his potential and hadn't complained,- basically they want people to ignore reality and base his value on their fantasy scenario! Idiots!
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8/20/2010  10:40 AM
We might as well acquire Carlos Delfino for cheap from Milwaukee. Delfino and Fernandez are both athletic perimeter players with solid handle. They also are both VERY inconsistent.
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8/20/2010  10:47 AM
Rudy wants a shot or go back to EuroLand and get paid. Not be a back up.

He is more valuable in system than in Nate McMillons. LIkewise, Wilson maybe be better in another system.

Im not going off on all this rumer mongering cuz there is much to it.

You got Melo and Rudy both trying to posture there way off teams. After the Heat "Decision" its apparent the owners are not happy being dictated by guys under contracts.

ON one hand you got guys like Jerome James, Marbury and Eddy who can't either mentally or physically live up to professional standards (there are others) and guys with contracts (Melo-Paul-Rudy) trying to bolt. After Lebrone dishonesty im not sure the league is so quick to accomdate. Everytime one gets appeased two more pop up.

If AzaBukkake is healthy he is a great trade asset also!

Its ok if we get these guys on the court and see what we got both to plan and be evaluated as trade bait. Wilson is coming off injury and facing a big contract status year. He is MOTIVATED! Same with AzaBukkake. Lets see what we got in Gallo and AR!

If Melo is back channeling and is serious about knicks we can get him on the cheap or just wait it out even to the trade deadline and give Nuggs some "save face" asset that becomes redundant.

If Melo will come at a premium, I prefer we don't gut our depth. He is like Paul Pierce, no franchise player but puts up big numbers and needs depth around him. Nothing wrong with that BTW, just without depth and purposeful players getting Melo is just a Dolan-esque "Starphuch".

They put fans in the seats and raise expectations but its not sustaining.

You can ride a guy like Melo and Bernard King for nice stretches and get in the playoffs but your not going to get too far.

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8/20/2010  11:19 AM
knicks1248 wrote:You should know how much MDA wants to have shooters on his squad..he would rather have a perimeter player any day of the week, as oppose to a player like chandler who's not great at anything.

Chandler is a IT player, a guy who can play multiple postions and athletic.
Why this comes as a surprise to many is baffling

MDA loves Chandler. He's the last place this would come from.
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8/20/2010  11:32 AM
fishmike wrote:
MDA loves Chandler. He's the last place this would come from.

Yeah, i get the impression D'Antoni likes Chandler as a player- he's hard working, never sulks, never complains. If we'd ended up with Rudy there was a big risk that he could so easily have become this years Darko- the similarities in their attitude are worrying, and D'Antoni has all shown how he deals with players who kick up a stink. Besides the Rudy ship has sailed- thats why Walsh signed Mason Jr- he realised that if you locked yourself away and smoked crack continuously for 7 days, you'd still emerge with a more realistic view of players values than Portland.

Knicks Offer Chandler for Fernandez. Is Fernandez worth trading Chandler for him??

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