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8/18/2010  5:39 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/18/2010  5:40 PM
Portland are absolute idiots.

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/knicks/2010/08/fernandez-returning-to-europe.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+nydnrss%2Fblogs%2Fknicks+%28Blogs%2FKnicks+Knation%29

By Frank Isola

Rudy Fernandez, who was hoping to negotiate a trade to the Knicks, has notified the Portland Trail Blazers that he will not report to training camp and that he intends to return to Europe.

"This is not a bluff," Fernandez' agent, Andy Miller, told the Daily News. "Emotionally, he's beyond the NBA. He wants to play in Europe."

Fernandez had asked to Blazers to trade him but the club was unable to reach an agreement with any of the six teams on Fernandez' wish list. The 6-foot-7 shooting guard was interested in joining either the Knicks or Nets. Portland was close to a deal with Chicago two weeks ago before it fell apart.

Miller said "I'd like to believe" that the Blazers did make an effort to trade Fernandez to the Knicks but from all indications the Knicks couldn't put together an attractive package for Portland.

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8/18/2010  5:47 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/18/2010  5:47 PM

Portland sure knows how to overrate talent.

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8/18/2010  5:55 PM
Portland had Sergio and Rudy. Two very good Spanish players; both became dissatisfied; both wanted to be traded; and now both have gone back to Europe. What does that say about Portland's dealing with them, and what does that say about the Spanish players being able to adjust to the NBA? Gasol has done well. I wonder about Rubio. I am glad he will spend 2 years in Europe, mature, and then maybe be ready to play in the NBA.
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8/18/2010  5:59 PM
Markji wrote:Portland had Sergio and Rudy. Two very good Spanish players; both became dissatisfied; both wanted to be traded; and now both have gone back to Europe. What does that say about Portland's dealing with them, and what does that say about the Spanish players being able to adjust to the NBA? Gasol has done well. I wonder about Rubio. I am glad he will spend 2 years in Europe, mature, and then maybe be ready to play in the NBA.

I think the transition is easier for bigs than guards.

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8/18/2010  6:51 PM
portland is not an easy place to live. i would get home sick and want out too.
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8/18/2010  11:05 PM
Markji wrote:Portland had Sergio and Rudy. Two very good Spanish players; both became dissatisfied; both wanted to be traded; and now both have gone back to Europe. What does that say about Portland's dealing with them, and what does that say about the Spanish players being able to adjust to the NBA? Gasol has done well. I wonder about Rubio. I am glad he will spend 2 years in Europe, mature, and then maybe be ready to play in the NBA.

it probably says those Spanish players they had weren't as good as they were hyping them up to be.

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8/18/2010  11:29 PM
TMS wrote:
Markji wrote:Portland had Sergio and Rudy. Two very good Spanish players; both became dissatisfied; both wanted to be traded; and now both have gone back to Europe. What does that say about Portland's dealing with them, and what does that say about the Spanish players being able to adjust to the NBA? Gasol has done well. I wonder about Rubio. I am glad he will spend 2 years in Europe, mature, and then maybe be ready to play in the NBA.

it probably says those Spanish players they had weren't as good as they were hyping them up to be.


Agree. The NBA is different with a different style of play. But somehow Spain gave our All-Star team a battle in the championship game in the 2008 Olympics. I think Rudy could have made it in the NBA.
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8/19/2010  12:59 AM
earthmansurfer wrote:Portland are absolute idiots.

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/knicks/2010/08/fernandez-returning-to-europe.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+nydnrss%2Fblogs%2Fknicks+%28Blogs%2FKnicks+Knation%29

By Frank Isola

Rudy Fernandez, who was hoping to negotiate a trade to the Knicks, has notified the Portland Trail Blazers that he will not report to training camp and that he intends to return to Europe.

"This is not a bluff," Fernandez' agent, Andy Miller, told the Daily News. "Emotionally, he's beyond the NBA. He wants to play in Europe."

Fernandez had asked to Blazers to trade him but the club was unable to reach an agreement with any of the six teams on Fernandez' wish list. The 6-foot-7 shooting guard was interested in joining either the Knicks or Nets. Portland was close to a deal with Chicago two weeks ago before it fell apart.

Miller said "I'd like to believe" that the Blazers did make an effort to trade Fernandez to the Knicks but from all indications the Knicks couldn't put together an attractive package for Portland.

Rudy is not worth a first rd pick. Walsh did good here.
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8/19/2010  1:34 AM
Portland likes to kill players confidence. Rudy, Sergio....but its not just the spanish dudes. Bayless was rewarded by his huge games with DNP's and limited minutes. Andre Miller was given a contract and then told he had to earn it off the bench. Travis Outlaw is another one because he is a legit starter in this league and has yet to really start. When he finally started playing out of his mind where you had to start him, he got hurt. Portland has always done this in recent years.
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8/19/2010  3:46 AM
It seems Portland did a great job at stockpiling talent but sadly for them, mainly swingmen. Could have been a great team with a healthy Oden and swapping a couple swingment for depth in the front court.
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8/19/2010  4:01 AM
You know, one of the criticisms of their old GM, Pritchard was that he was so obsessed with 'winning' a trade and then bragging about it, that no one wanted to deal with the Blazers anymore. I think this indicates that maybe it's the owner who was interfering, and is obsessed with 'winning' every trade. It's pretty self destructive- I think it was maybe the Bulls owner who said that if you attempt to beat the other team in a trade then they will never trade with you again (Ha shame they never considered this during the eddy Curry trade!), so you should always aim to be fair.

It's annoying as without his attitude, I would have liked to have had Rudy on the team (only for Bill Walker or a 2nd round pick)- The Blazers obviously have some issues and way over-estimated their bargaining position- serves them right. This is one of the things I like about Donnie as a GM- he treats players and other teams fairly, even when he has nothing to gain from it. Compare Portlands way of handling Rudy compared to Walsh's handling of Donnie Darko- he basically traded him to the T-Wolves for nothing, when he could have been spiteful and just waited out his contract. I think this can build up goodwill for future trades.

While I'm on the subject, another arrogant team I hope we never trade with again is the Rockets, partly because their GM saw Donnie was desperate last year to get under the cap, and so they decided to take advantage and screw him Deliverence-style, but mainly because afterwards he basically boasted at how he had outsmarted Donnie, claiming that some people think the way to get an allstar is to get under the cap, but he believed it was to aquire assets and then trade for them- basically he was saying that he was going to use what Donnie gave him to get the free agent Donnie wanted to (Chris Bosh). I just thought it was pretty unprofessional to basically be boasting about how you just outsmarted another GM.
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8/19/2010  7:55 AM
We saw how good Sergio was when he played for us. He wasn't very good at all.
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8/19/2010  8:41 AM
Didn't know he had back surgery recently, we may have dodged a bullet.
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8/19/2010  8:58 AM    LAST EDITED: 8/19/2010  8:59 AM
I don't think Rudy F can legally PLAY in EUROPE? He is under contract with Portland/NBA for the next 2 years. Just like a player under contract in Europe can't just come and play in the NBA without first buying out their European contract. And the team has to agree to it.

2nd - Rudy has not been that good a player where Portland can demand a 1st round pick + a solid young player. Rudy is 25 years old already; was picked #24. His 2 year stats are
24:30 mpg
9.4 ppg
40.7 FG%
2.0 assists/game
.9 steals

While I would like to see Rudy on this team, Portland has been way overvaluing Rudy in their trade talks.

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8/19/2010  8:59 AM
smackeddog wrote:You know, one of the criticisms of their old GM, Pritchard was that he was so obsessed with 'winning' a trade and then bragging about it, that no one wanted to deal with the Blazers anymore. I think this indicates that maybe it's the owner who was interfering, and is obsessed with 'winning' every trade. It's pretty self destructive- I think it was maybe the Bulls owner who said that if you attempt to beat the other team in a trade then they will never trade with you again (Ha shame they never considered this during the eddy Curry trade!), so you should always aim to be fair.

It's annoying as without his attitude, I would have liked to have had Rudy on the team (only for Bill Walker or a 2nd round pick)- The Blazers obviously have some issues and way over-estimated their bargaining position- serves them right. This is one of the things I like about Donnie as a GM- he treats players and other teams fairly, even when he has nothing to gain from it. Compare Portlands way of handling Rudy compared to Walsh's handling of Donnie Darko- he basically traded him to the T-Wolves for nothing, when he could have been spiteful and just waited out his contract. I think this can build up goodwill for future trades.

While I'm on the subject, another arrogant team I hope we never trade with again is the Rockets, partly because their GM saw Donnie was desperate last year to get under the cap, and so they decided to take advantage and screw him Deliverence-style, but mainly because afterwards he basically boasted at how he had outsmarted Donnie, claiming that some people think the way to get an allstar is to get under the cap, but he believed it was to aquire assets and then trade for them- basically he was saying that he was going to use what Donnie gave him to get the free agent Donnie wanted to (Chris Bosh). I just thought it was pretty unprofessional to basically be boasting about how you just outsmarted another GM.

Very well put. Didn't know about Morey boasting though, what a douche.

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8/19/2010  9:27 AM
Rudy Won’t Report
BY TOMMY DEE ON AUG 19, 2010, 7:23 AM

Via Oregonlive.com

What has been a simmering trade request since last summer has now reached a boiling point: Fernandez has informed agent Andy Miller that he is prepared to be suspended by the Blazers and forfeit the final two years of his contract in order to return to Europe and play in his homeland of Spain in 2012.

Fernandez, 25, is unhappy with his role and is frustrated with the offensive style of coach Nate McMillan, whom he says limits him to just a shooter, and not the playmaker he has shown he can be in international play.

As we’ve reported since day one the two teams most interested have been the Knicks and Bulls but the Blazers’ asking price is far too high for both teams to bite. The Blazers are holding firm, a source has maintained, to a 1st round pick and a solid young player…But Rudy’s preference of the two, by far I’ve been told, is NY where he’d most likely start.


Portland's asking way too much for Rudy. Thank G-d Isiah isn't GM or he would have agreed to Portland's terms. Instead Donnie signed Mason.
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8/19/2010  9:39 AM
I think you guys miss the fact the portland is guard heavy, and Roy avg's almost 40 minutes..
The 1st rnder they were asking for was ridiculous..I think rudy sense that as well, you want equal talent plus a 1st rnder..riiiiight,GTFOH.

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8/19/2010  12:10 PM
Wow, surely this can't be true, But according to Rudy's agent, the Blazers to date have been offered and have rejected the following deals:

- New York - player & 1st round pick
- Chicago - Charlotte's 1st round pick - at draft time it was Kirk Hinrich
- Boston - 1st round pick
- Toronto - 1st round pick
- Miami - Daequan Cook
- Washington - 1st round pick and player
- Houston - flipping Cortney Lee for Rudy
- San Antonio - 1st round pick

According to Jason Quick (whoever he is- some sort of Blazer journalist: http://www.clubblazers.com/blazers-discussion/rudy-wants-out-the-nba-t3531.html

If true, I can only conclude that the owner of that team is either doing it out of spite, or is completely delusional. What I found odd is how could we have offered a 1st rounder, when we don't have one to give til 2014? Glad they rejected us, I didn't realise Walsh was that keen to get him.
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8/19/2010  12:32 PM
smackeddog wrote:Wow, surely this can't be true, But according to Rudy's agent, the Blazers to date have been offered and have rejected the following deals:

- New York - player & 1st round pick
- Chicago - Charlotte's 1st round pick - at draft time it was Kirk Hinrich
- Boston - 1st round pick
- Toronto - 1st round pick
- Miami - Daequan Cook
- Washington - 1st round pick and player
- Houston - flipping Cortney Lee for Rudy
- San Antonio - 1st round pick

According to Jason Quick (whoever he is- some sort of Blazer journalist: http://www.clubblazers.com/blazers-discussion/rudy-wants-out-the-nba-t3531.html

If true, I can only conclude that the owner of that team is either doing it out of spite, or is completely delusional. What I found odd is how could we have offered a 1st rounder, when we don't have one to give til 2014? Glad they rejected us, I didn't realise Walsh was that keen to get him.


I doubt very much that these offers are true. Maybe a writer projecting a trade.
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8/19/2010  1:45 PM
Markji wrote:
smackeddog wrote:Wow, surely this can't be true, But according to Rudy's agent, the Blazers to date have been offered and have rejected the following deals:

- New York - player & 1st round pick
- Chicago - Charlotte's 1st round pick - at draft time it was Kirk Hinrich
- Boston - 1st round pick
- Toronto - 1st round pick
- Miami - Daequan Cook
- Washington - 1st round pick and player
- Houston - flipping Cortney Lee for Rudy
- San Antonio - 1st round pick

According to Jason Quick (whoever he is- some sort of Blazer journalist: http://www.clubblazers.com/blazers-discussion/rudy-wants-out-the-nba-t3531.html

If true, I can only conclude that the owner of that team is either doing it out of spite, or is completely delusional. What I found odd is how could we have offered a 1st rounder, when we don't have one to give til 2014? Glad they rejected us, I didn't realise Walsh was that keen to get him.


I doubt very much that these offers are true. Maybe a writer projecting a trade.

Or an agent trying to increase the market for his client.
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