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8/16/2010  9:18 PM
Carmelo Unlikely To Remain With Nuggets Past 10-11

Aug 16, 2010 6:08 PM EST
Carmelo Anthony and the Nuggets are heading to an inevitable split, according to sources.

Anthony is weighing whether to sign a three-year, $65 million extension offered by the Nuggets, but his dilemma is deciding the best way to move on from his time in Denver.

Anthony could agree to an extension under the premise that the Nuggets will trade him, or he can leave the franchise next summer as a free agent.

In either case, "he's going to make it real clear that he's not coming back," said one league source.

Anthony's agent, Leon Rose, could not be reached for comment and the Nuggets declined to comment.

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8/16/2010  9:48 PM
I hope this doesn't become a distaction all season long
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8/16/2010  11:06 PM
sign and trade with Nuggs requires assets to be given away.

Carmello takes some risks if he just waits, but he goes to a team that did not have to trade for him.

he can be nice about it and keep it inhouse with Denver. Just tell them where you want to go and we give them eddy and wilson.

give them 3 million cash to offset eddy, Azibukkake, and Wilson. Then just tell Denver fans he was walking and that was the best they could do.

Or wait until next summer.

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8/16/2010  11:28 PM
Pretty sure we have to let Wilson go in order to have all of the cap space we need next season anyway.
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8/17/2010  1:28 AM
I think they will want Eddy's contract, Wilson and TD and 1 of our 2nd rd picks.
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8/17/2010  1:54 AM
NYKBocker wrote:I think they will want Eddy's contract, Wilson and TD and 1 of our 2nd rd picks.

Melo is a natural 3....you can't excape that fact. He shouldn't be asked to do what Wilson does and play shooting guard....with that said Gallo or Randolph has to go as well to give Carmelo his starting spot at the 3....last time I checked Amare is the 4 and Randolph can play all 4 front court spots....Gallo is the one that is gonna have to leave. You guys ready for that?

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8/17/2010  2:02 AM    LAST EDITED: 8/17/2010  2:06 AM
By the way....Eddy, Gallo, Wilson and the second round picks for Carmelo works and that's the Knicks best offer...would you do that? I think Denver would settle if Carmelo started forcing a trade. That's a load of talent to fill out that Denver roster.

Meanwhile the Knicks have Amare and Melo on the wings and Anthony Randolph either at center or off the bench...Felton and Toney at the point....Buike, and Walker at the 2....they are gonna need to change sneakers after every quarter.

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8/17/2010  4:29 AM
EnySpree wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:I think they will want Eddy's contract, Wilson and TD and 1 of our 2nd rd picks.

Melo is a natural 3....you can't excape that fact. He shouldn't be asked to do what Wilson does and play shooting guard....with that said Gallo or Randolph has to go as well to give Carmelo his starting spot at the 3....last time I checked Amare is the 4 and Randolph can play all 4 front court spots....Gallo is the one that is gonna have to leave. You guys ready for that?


By the way....Eddy, Gallo, Wilson and the second round picks for Carmelo works and that's the Knicks best offer...would you do that?

I don't think Denver would want TD as they have Billups and Lawson at PG. I think EnySpree's trade is the most likely, and it's fair for them- however, the problem is in getting Denver to accept it's a fair deal- in most cases when a team is about to lose their franchise player for nothing, they go into a state of denial, and start building up all these defences ("They're not going to leave!", "We'll never trade them!"), which leads to them over estimating their bargaining position and expecting to get much more (usually a franchise player) than they have a hope in hell of getting back, which means they refuse to trade them and several months later end up with a trade exemption and a second round pick. Although sometimes you get lucky and the GM is a moron who trades them for much less than they could have got (Pau Gasol, Vince Carter).

I also wonder if we greatly over value Chandler- it seems no other team is remotely interested in him, so he might not have much trade value, regardless of how talented he is.

Would I do that trade... I don't know, it would be difficult- part of me hopes that we could just wait it out til the offseason and then sign him out-right- this has the benefits of keeping all our assets, which could then be traded for picks or players who fit better, it also allows us to keep Gallo (though Carmelo would have to play SG then, which I don't know whether it's possible- it's just I think they'd play well together after that duel they had last season and Carmelo came away with a great respect for him as a player), and finally it means we'd get to see the new CBA before we signed him- extending him before then is a huge risk if they end up implementing a hard cap, or reducing player salaries etc- with Amar'e and Carmelo on $20 mil per year we could end up being screwed cap wise.

However, I guess we might have trouble keeping Gallo AND AR long term, so if you then also add Carmelo, then one of them probably has to go, and Gallo would make more sense than AR. Shame, as I think Gallo thinks that he's a Knick for life.

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8/17/2010  7:50 AM
Enough with these stars demanding trades bull!
Had enough Melo?
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8/17/2010  8:13 AM
They would probably want Curry, Gallo, and Randolph, but we will give them Curry, either one of those guys and Chandler, which is very fair. I would still rather give Randolph and start Gallo at the SG.
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8/17/2010  8:23 AM    LAST EDITED: 8/17/2010  8:24 AM
Denver had 14 players under contract. 2 days ago they let 2 players go - Coby Karl and Brian Butch. I assume they didn't have guaranteed contracts. That now gives Denver only 12 players under contract so they can take back a group of 4 players in a trade for Melo. Makes it easier to trade with us so they can match salary, roster positions and talent..
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8/17/2010  8:30 AM
its here he wants to come. Why do we need to pony up a big package? His trade value sucks right now if everyone know's he's coming to the Knicks next year.

Why trade Douglas or Gallo? You dont have to... we dont need Melo right now. We can max him out next offseason like we did Amare.

Then you really have the ultimate MDA type rotation:
Felton, Douglas, Randolph, Amare, Gallo, Carmello, Chandler +1 bigman (Mosgov?)

Walsh is the ultimate patience guy

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8/17/2010  8:45 AM
fishmike wrote:its here he wants to come. Why do we need to pony up a big package? His trade value sucks right now if everyone know's he's coming to the Knicks next year.

Why trade Douglas or Gallo? You dont have to... we dont need Melo right now. We can max him out next offseason like we did Amare.

Then you really have the ultimate MDA type rotation:
Felton, Douglas, Randolph, Amare, Gallo, Carmello, Chandler +1 bigman (Mosgov?)

Walsh is the ultimate patience guy


This is true except the direction it seems this thing is going is to trade him this year to the highest bidder on his list. His list will likely include more team than just New York, hopefully not, but it probably will. We have the ability to be a high bidder with a large expiring contract and some youth. You must give something to get something, because it is unlikely he makes it to free agency. This is a top-10 player in the league, we can't trade the farm in this situation but we have to send something, and it may be smart to do it before the competition with other teams starts to pick up.

In addition to this, if we get him and he is longer a FA going into next season, we can use the mid level exception to get a very good player over the summer, and there are some great players who would want to come here for less money because they see the opportunity here. Some players we will have on our radar are Prince, Battier, T Chandler, among others, and maybe even Tony Parker if we can put together a decent package for him.

So in conclusion, you get Melo now and it creates a lot of great options down the road.

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8/17/2010  9:12 AM    LAST EDITED: 8/17/2010  9:12 AM
For Melo I'd offer
Curry-expiring contract to help match salary-,
Chandler - SF to replace Melo,
1 SG either AZ or Walker,(This is why we signed Roger Mason)
1 rookie either Landry Fields(SF) or Jerome Jordan(C)...or even both would be fine

Denver will want either Gallo or Anthony Randolph. I am not sure we can get Melo without giving up one of these guys but let Walsh try.

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8/17/2010  9:12 AM
Not sure I agree w/ Melo being top 10. He doesnt pass or defend. Obviously he can score with anyone. 100% agree he's one of the league's top 5 scorers but you would have to really change the make up of this team to make Melo work.

Its a tough one. We just built a frontcourt that has a very high ceiling. I have zero sense of urgency here to make something happen.

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8/17/2010  9:16 AM
fishmike wrote:Not sure I agree w/ Melo being top 10. He doesnt pass or defend. Obviously he can score with anyone. 100% agree he's one of the league's top 5 scorers but you would have to really change the make up of this team to make Melo work.

Its a tough one. We just built a frontcourt that has a very high ceiling. I have zero sense of urgency here to make something happen.

My thoughts exactly. Whatever the case, I wouldn't rush or overpay.

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8/17/2010  10:05 AM
This is CP3 all over again. I'm not doubting that Melo wants out of Denver...but I wouldnt be surprised if this is to make Denver offer him a MAX contract.

But if any of this is true....any trade involving the Knicks and Melo will start with D.Gallnari. If you think other wise than you're delusional.

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8/17/2010  10:07 AM    LAST EDITED: 8/17/2010  10:08 AM
fishmike wrote:Not sure I agree w/ Melo being top 10. He doesnt pass or defend. Obviously he can score with anyone. 100% agree he's one of the league's top 5 scorers but you would have to really change the make up of this team to make Melo work.

Its a tough one. We just built a frontcourt that has a very high ceiling. I have zero sense of urgency here to make something happen.

I agree he's not exactly the miising piece to our puzzle, especially since we don't know what piece were missing..I think this needs to be a trade that comes closer to the deadline.

MDA and walsh are not going to give up Gallo, especially after seeing him hold is own against Melo convincingly, so the story still remains..Are you going to play him way out of poisition at the 2g, are you going to bring gallo off the bench (which would be my choice) and stunt his growth a little.

Denver has clearly stated they want draft picks or CAP RELIEF...

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8/17/2010  10:09 AM
Swishfm3 wrote:This is CP3 all over again. I'm not doubting that Melo wants out of Denver...but I wouldnt be surprised if this is to make Denver offer him a MAX contract.

But if any of this is true....any trade involving the Knicks and Melo will start with D.Gallnari. If you think other wise than you're delusional.

LOL Dude, where have you been?

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8/17/2010  10:28 AM
fishmike wrote:Not sure I agree w/ Melo being top 10. He doesnt pass or defend. Obviously he can score with anyone. 100% agree he's one of the league's top 5 scorers but you would have to really change the make up of this team to make Melo work.

Its a tough one. We just built a frontcourt that has a very high ceiling. I have zero sense of urgency here to make something happen.

I agree. I think we hold all the cards here. I think Curry's contract, Wilson, TD and a 2nd rd pick(s) is the only offer we should consider. Melo is a gunslinger in the mold of Dominique Wilkins. He is a very good one but not in the caliber of the great ones.

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