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JohnWallace44
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8/14/2010  11:32 AM
Just a quick comparison of what I anticipate will be the Knicks top five in terms of minutes this season versus last year's bunch.

PER Ratings
Amare - 22.69
ARan - 18.71
Felton - 15.25
Gallo - 14.89
Wilson - 13.76


DLee - 22.68
Gallo - 14.89
Wilson - 13.76
Duhon - 10.72
Jeffries - 9.78

The key that jumps out at me is that Gallo and Chandler will go from being the key producers on the team, when you consider that Lee normally scored off of broken offense, to being guys that are supplemental, which is what they really should be. You see a lot of talk in the aftermath of the Ariza trade that he is better off being the 4th or 5th option where he can focus on defense and transition scoring. Wilson is essentially the same player and I think the same goes for him. You don't want him to be your #1 or #2 option on offense because he can't really break a guy down, but if he's feeding off of the other players, then you have something. With Gallo, I never liked the way that he would pull his disappearing act in a lot of games, but now if he's the #4 option you're not in trouble when he goes into a funk, but you can use him when he's hot.

This team should be a lot better than last year just based on having our scorers in roles that they can handle.

Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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8/14/2010  12:08 PM
Those are some good points. I think you have to include Kelenna Azubuike in there as well. his last full season PER was 14.7 (it was at 19.8PER for the first 14 games of last season before he got injured.)
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8/15/2010  9:24 AM
My only concern about this team is that our rebounding will kill us on a nightly basis. If Mozgov and or Turiaf are playing major minutes, then the team will have to play a lot differently than it would with Randolph and Amare at the big spots.
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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8/15/2010  10:35 AM
Part of Gallo's lack of production was due to inadequate PG play. Then he also didn't have full strength in his legs. He also wasn't a complete package yet and I fully expect more growth from him. His PER should rise above the league avg. with more opportunity to get going this year. He can be a 2nd or 3rd option on this team.

This offense doesn't have to rely on having great one on one shot creators. In PHX they really didn't have any either. So long as you get good PG play, player movement and passing. Of course there will be times where players need to create their own shots but it's not as often as it can be in some other systems.

Felton will see a much bigger increase in his production and become a top option on O. Amare 1, Felton 2, Gallo 3 is my guess, but on some nights #3 could be AR, AZ or Chan.

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8/15/2010  10:53 AM    LAST EDITED: 8/15/2010  10:54 AM
You need to replace Jeffries with Al Harrington if you comparing the players who were top 5 in minutes. Below is the correct comparison:

PER Ratings
Amare - 22.69
ARan - 18.71
Felton - 15.25
Gallo - 14.89
Wilson - 13.76


DLee - 22.68
Al Harrington - 16.89
Gallo - 14.89
Wilson - 13.76
Duhon - 10.72

The biggest change is a gigantic increase in the productivity of our PG. I'm not convinced Randolph will see as much playing time as you're forecasting but I hope he does.

By the way, the average PER is 15.00, and I consider anything above that to be good. Anything below, unimpressive.

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8/15/2010  12:46 PM
Good call on Al Jr. The same point still stands though. Wilson and to a larger extent, Gallo, will now be in roles that they can handle and possibly prosper in.
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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8/15/2010  3:41 PM
I think its safe to say Felton is going to have a field day with the group around him. With the probably 8 man rotation around him, there's gonna be a threat at every angle...kind of a point guards dream
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8/15/2010  3:46 PM
crzymdups wrote:Those are some good points. I think you have to include Kelenna Azubuike in there as well. his last full season PER was 14.7 (it was at 19.8PER for the first 14 games of last season before he got injured.)

btw anyone gonna factor Buike's numbers too? Can't ignore them...14.7 is respectable for a dude that was in an out of the starting line-up and playing out of position at times at small fwd. 19.8 is damn good even though it was only the first 14 games.

lots of question marks but if the Knicks can finally get a situation where the chips all fall into place instead of being the worse case scenerio all the damn time....this team could compete big time.

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8/15/2010  4:18 PM
To me it's all about Felton! A D'Antoni team can survive the loss or poor play of just about anyone except PG! The failure to any kind of consistently good PG play killed this team and was the biggest factor in this team underachieving. It was pretty simple. When we got good PG play the team could win games and when we didn't ... Well the team had no shot.

Felton is going to be the most underrated acquisition of the off season.

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8/15/2010  5:51 PM
I think it will be interesting to see how teams defend these two. Will teams sag their guard to defend the pick and roll and take their chances with Felton shooting from the perimeter? (if anyone has some good clips of Tyson Chandler and Felton running pick and roll that would be helpful)

Amare's man is going to have to stay up on him to respect his 15 foot jumper where they wouldn't have when Felton had Chandler running with him. If Felton is able to dive to the basket along with Amare in a way that Nash never could, and Duhon never could with Lee, then we'll pile up victories.

If he can't, then I can see where Mason would be nice to have on the wing. Felton could switch to the off guard and Mason could run pick and roll with Amare in situations where Felton can't take advantage of sagging guards.

Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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8/15/2010  5:53 PM
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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8/15/2010  6:00 PM

Here are some nice highlights of some of the new guys that gives you an idea of what we can expect this year.

Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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8/15/2010  10:07 PM

Player 48-Minute Production by Position
Position

FGA eFG% FTA iFG Reb Ast T/O Blk PF Pts PER*
PG 17.4 .572 2.7 22% 4.3 5.3 2.8 .1 5.4 22.1 16.9
SG 17.3 .518 3.3 33% 5.4 4.7 2.1 .2 4.7 20.8 16.8

Interesting take guess whose numbers are above?


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8/16/2010  12:03 AM
Olbrannon - I'm not sure what you're arguing here. Should we be starting Douglas over Felton even though he has no PG skills or should we be starting him as an undersized two-guard?

A couple of good games you're showing here, but he's demonstrated that he's not a point guard so far in his time with the Knicks. That leaves playing him at the two guard in my opinion and you'll only get away with that if you're playing him off of the bench.

Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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8/16/2010  12:16 AM
JohnWallace44 wrote:

Here are some nice highlights of some of the new guys that gives you an idea of what we can expect this year.

i love the help defense at 0:49... if he can just bring that on a consistent basis, i'll be completely satisfied.

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8/16/2010  12:50 AM    LAST EDITED: 8/16/2010  1:32 AM
Anyone who starts will earn it...except for Stat and Felton...they were handed the job.
Not that I expect anyone to beat either one out for the starting position.

First I highly doubt AR jumps center to start the season anyway. Turiaf likely there.

What players start the season as starters is far less important than who finishes the season
I think.

How you guys watch a few games in SL and determine the length and productivity of an
incoming NBA players career is beyond me. Remember that 90 point turn around against Dallas?
Those were your scrubs that only won 29 games that obliterated the Mavs that night. On their
own home court. And it was TD's first start at PG. They won 2 in a row too. Before Wilson went
down.

If he's good enough to play he'll show it. If he isn't he'll sit. but the constant bashing of your own
players ...that's just something that comes with the bright lights and the big city. Your just one
voice in a crowd. A very large crowd.

Me I'm rooting for the Knicks...and I want them all to do well when they step on the court.

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8/16/2010  11:14 AM
per schmer... this is silly. Knicks have more talent, size and better players than the Bobcat's last year so I expect Felton to be a better player than he was. This is also a PG pumping system. Amare is going to take so much pressure off the other scorers. Guy scores at 55% and gets to the line 8x a game. He's more a motion guy than a back to the basket scorer which is fine. If Amare gets the ball in motion he scores on you so you have to swarm around him which makes life so much easier than it was last year for guys like Gallo and Chandler.

These #s are silly. Knicks are finally built like a team with fitting parts. Coach just needs to get the boat going and we will be fine.

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