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BRIGGS
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8/10/2010  4:07 PM
You know D Lee is a straight shooter so his word is very trustworthy compared to any other word you might hear from a journalist management etc.. and it a round about way[typical D Lee class} he intimates Isiah as a GM is terrible


Warriors forward David Lee was "really surprised" to hear the Knicks had re-hired Isiah Thomas.

"Whether right or wrong, Isiah was cast as the person that was the reason things went downhill in the last six or seven years," said Lee. "Now to bring that back is something I didn't expect."

Lee, a former Knick, was drafted by Thomas in 2005. He admits that he "liked" Thomas as a coach, although he wasn't as sold on his general managing skills.

"Do I think he's a bad guy? No. Do I think he means well? Yes," Lee said. "But I don't think the execution was always there.

"I absolutely respect him as a basketball mind. He knows his X's and O's and he has a great approach to the game. I don't think too many people would question that, especially from a coaching standpoint.

"I don't know as an administrator how good he is."

Read more: http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/68625/20100810/david_lee_doesnt_see_isiah_as_gm/#ixzz0wEetCYhi

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8/10/2010  4:11 PM
If a player who owes IT everything is so low on Isiah... I mean how low man can fall.
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8/10/2010  4:25 PM
arkrud wrote:If a player who owes IT everything is so low on Isiah... I mean how low man can fall.

Low on Isiah? He said he's a good coach but not a good GM. That's an accurate assessment, not low or high.

I don't think anyone could say Isiah was a good GM, including David Lee. His quote was very fair, if not positive.

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8/10/2010  5:16 PM
he's a snake an shouldnt be managing people, plain and simple. He's an MVP and 2 time champ and one of the toughest players ever, so when it comes to coaching he's got all the clout. He's also a pretty smooth talker and clearly knows how to connect with players. He's also got a good eye for talent and always has.

Like Lee said the history here is just dreadful, anything Isiah could add is outweighted by the negative past associated with him.

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8/10/2010  5:27 PM
Isiah was a terrible coach. He failed in NY, failed at FIU, and the only place he "succeeded" at coaching was with the Pacers, but once he was fired, Carlisle took the same team to the best record in the NBA.
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8/10/2010  5:44 PM
I thought Thomas would be a good gm but I never had any expectations for him to have coaching success. I don't think Lee has played for a good NBA coach yet so his opinion on Isiah may only be based on comparing his first year with Brown and the last two with D'Antoni.
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8/10/2010  6:11 PM
IT the GM screwed IT the coach, so I don't think you can assess his coaching by how the Knicks did. He did have success with the Pacers and I am not sure anyone could win down in FIU without better recruiting. I think most people would say that IT is a competent coach. Whether he is good or not is still to be determined. However, IT simply cannot be a GM of an NBA team without having some strong cap specialists and professional scouts working with him that he will actually listen to, and even then, it would be a bad idea.
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8/11/2010  2:20 AM
We haven't had a decent season in years. The best record we've had was 41-41 back in the days of Lenny Wilkens. It does no good to even discuss coaches past. We need to focus on our now situation.
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8/11/2010  6:06 AM
David was a great hustle player, but much like his decision making on defense, his decision making on keeping his mouth shut leaves a lot to be desired.

It just seems the man shuts his mouth when he is supposed to talk and and talks when he should just shut up.

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8/11/2010  10:18 AM
joec32033 wrote:David was a great hustle player, but much like his decision making on defense, his decision making on keeping his mouth shut leaves a lot to be desired.

It just seems the man shuts his mouth when he is supposed to talk and and talks when he should just shut up.

Huh? *scratches head*

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8/11/2010  10:40 AM
Sangfroid wrote:We haven't had a decent season in years. The best record we've had was 41-41 back in the days of Lenny Wilkens. It does no good to even discuss coaches past. We need to focus on our now situation.

exactly... we won 41 games under Lenny Wilkens with an inferior roster as the one we have now... if MDA can't get this bunch of guys to win at least that many games, there's something seriously wrong with how he's doing things.

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8/11/2010  1:10 PM
TMS wrote:
Sangfroid wrote:We haven't had a decent season in years. The best record we've had was 41-41 back in the days of Lenny Wilkens. It does no good to even discuss coaches past. We need to focus on our now situation.

exactly... we won 41 games under Lenny Wilkens with an inferior roster as the one we have now... if MDA can't get this bunch of guys to win at least that many games, there's something seriously wrong with how he's doing things.

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8/11/2010  1:18 PM
TMS wrote:
Sangfroid wrote:We haven't had a decent season in years. The best record we've had was 41-41 back in the days of Lenny Wilkens. It does no good to even discuss coaches past. We need to focus on our now situation.

exactly... we won 41 games under Lenny Wilkens with an inferior roster as the one we have now... if MDA can't get this bunch of guys to win at least that many games, there's something seriously wrong with how he's doing things.

The East was also a hell of a lot weaker back then though. There's a lot of question marks and unproven talent with this team but I agree that a low playoff seed (7 or 8) should be the expectation and if D'Antoni does that, then he did a good job in my opinion.

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8/11/2010  1:19 PM
joec32033 wrote:David was a great hustle player, but much like his decision making on defense, his decision making on keeping his mouth shut leaves a lot to be desired.

It just seems the man shuts his mouth when he is supposed to talk and and talks when he should just shut up.

This white reach people are so annoing...

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8/11/2010  1:26 PM
Does anyone really think that Mike has problems coaching talent? He may have a lot of other issues but coaching good talent isn't one of them. All of this doubt about him is due to the artificially bad rosters we had due to preparing for 2010. No effort was made to really improve that team so that we could build a team worth moving forward with.

Isiah had some good points when it came to drafting but not much else worked. I think he had some good talent but the teams had bad intangibles and were mismatched.

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8/11/2010  1:36 PM
nixluva wrote:Does anyone really think that Mike has problems coaching talent? He may have a lot of other issues but coaching good talent isn't one of them. All of this doubt about him is due to the artificially bad rosters we had due to preparing for 2010. No effort was made to really improve that team so that we could build a team worth moving forward with.

Isiah had some good points when it came to drafting but not much else worked. I think he had some good talent but the teams had bad intangibles and were mismatched.


So what's your deadline for Mike to show results? End of this year? Or...?

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8/11/2010  1:39 PM
Panos wrote:
nixluva wrote:Does anyone really think that Mike has problems coaching talent? He may have a lot of other issues but coaching good talent isn't one of them. All of this doubt about him is due to the artificially bad rosters we had due to preparing for 2010. No effort was made to really improve that team so that we could build a team worth moving forward with.

Isiah had some good points when it came to drafting but not much else worked. I think he had some good talent but the teams had bad intangibles and were mismatched.


So what's your deadline for Mike to show results? End of this year? Or...?

if you had hired a new coach this summer, how long would you give new coach?

That's kinda the way I look at it. New roster, etc. He was 2 years left on deal, right? No reason to get rid of him after the end of this year unless everyone is tuning him out.

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8/11/2010  2:56 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/11/2010  2:57 PM
martin wrote:
Panos wrote:
nixluva wrote:Does anyone really think that Mike has problems coaching talent? He may have a lot of other issues but coaching good talent isn't one of them. All of this doubt about him is due to the artificially bad rosters we had due to preparing for 2010. No effort was made to really improve that team so that we could build a team worth moving forward with.

Isiah had some good points when it came to drafting but not much else worked. I think he had some good talent but the teams had bad intangibles and were mismatched.


So what's your deadline for Mike to show results? End of this year? Or...?

if you had hired a new coach this summer, how long would you give new coach?

That's kinda the way I look at it. New roster, etc. He was 2 years left on deal, right? No reason to get rid of him after the end of this year unless everyone is tuning him out.


I'm asking Nixluva specifically, because I'd like to know in advance when he is not willing to defend him any longer. I agree with you that the last 2 years have been throw away. But I do think that this personnel should win at least 40 games THIS YEAR, and if not, we have a coaching problem.

But I'd like to hear it from the spin doctor himself. Nixluva what's your deadline?
a) what is the minimum number of games MDA should win this year to not get fired, or B) if he gets a pass no matter how many games he wins, when does that grace period end?
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8/11/2010  2:59 PM
D'antoni MUST be fired if the Knicks fail to make it to the postseason.
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8/12/2010  3:09 AM
nixluva wrote:Does anyone really think that Mike has problems coaching talent? He may have a lot of other issues but coaching good talent isn't one of them. All of this doubt about him is due to the artificially bad rosters we had due to preparing for 2010. No effort was made to really improve that team so that we could build a team worth moving forward with.

Isiah had some good points when it came to drafting but not much else worked. I think he had some good talent but the teams had bad intangibles and were mismatched.


D'Antoni has trouble coaching talented players that might need some direction or at times lack professionalism. He struggles to communicate to that type of player. At times he struggled to communicate with Amare in Phoenix. Communication problems impact coaching no matter who you have on the roster. D'Antoni needs a point guard to be his communicator on the court and in the locker room. Without that he has had no success in the NBA no matter who was on his roster.
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