EITHER Carl Landry or Jason Thompson would fill a great roll--an impact 6th man type role. The Kings cant play 6 bigs--what would it take to get either of these guys here?

BRIGGS wrote:When i was talking bench enhancement--I was thinking about guys who can come off the bench in a top 8-9 man rotation and give a serious impact. I think we are very *light* upfront after the big 3.

EITHER Carl Landry or Jason Thompson would fill a great roll--an impact 6th man type role. The Kings cant play 6 bigs--what would it take to get either of these guys here?

what's the Knicks' big rotation for PF/C? Turiaf, Amare, AR, Gallo? Maybe spot minutes from Chandler (PF), Mozoltov (C), Curry?

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:When i was talking bench enhancement--I was thinking about guys who can come off the bench in a top 8-9 man rotation and give a serious impact. I think we are very *light* upfront after the big 3.

EITHER Carl Landry or Jason Thompson would fill a great roll--an impact 6th man type role. The Kings cant play 6 bigs--what would it take to get either of these guys here?

what's the Knicks' big rotation for PF/C? Turiaf, Amare, AR, Gallo? Maybe spot minutes from Chandler (PF), Mozoltov (C), Curry?

way too many ??? marks with our guys after 3--what I do know is Landry and Thompson can play--I would think Landry @ 3mm might be more attainable and fill a David Lee type role off the bench for 28-30 minutes but would take either guy. If we could get Thompson--my guess is he could start C. I'm not obsessed about keeping out 2014 #1(lotto protected) if it can give us a an impact player for this year--I want to win NOW--no more waiting.

Im thinking Walker 2014 #1 lotto protection and the GS #2's for Thompson or Walker Rautins(for cap){and absorb the other 1.5){for cap) and 2014 number #1(lp) and 1 #2 for Landry

That gives the Kings a little cap relief each way for this year--multiple picks and a nice young prospect in Walker back for a team that cant hold all of their bigs.

BRIGGS wrote:
way too many ??? marks with our guys after 3--what I do know is Landry and Thompson can play--I would think Landry @ 3mm might be more attainable and fill a David Lee type role off the bench for 28-30 minutes but would take either guy. If we could get Thompson--my guess is he could start C. I'm not obsessed about keeping out 2014 #1(lotto protected) if it can give us a an impact player for this year--I want to win NOW--no more waiting.

Im thinking Walker 2014 #1 lotto protection and the GS #2's for Thompson or Walker Rautins(for cap){and absorb the other 1.5){for cap) and 2014 number #1(lp) and 1 #2 for Landry

That gives the Kings a little cap relief each way for this year--multiple picks and a nice young prospect in Walker back for a team that cant hold all of their bigs.

I don't see the Kings going for those- I just think they'll drop Dalembert to solve their front court jam- that trade makes no sense since the draft. I think if they were to move Landry or JT, then it would be to address their main need which is PG- thats the major weakness on their team and they'd be silly to to shift those front court players unless it address that spot. I think they're fine salary cap wise, and their owners aren't cheap skates either so they're not going to go for some salary savings- myabe the draft picks would tempt them, but they're in a pretty good place right now so they could either carry on building through the draft, or try to go down the FA route. Mind you, I'm saying all this but I don't actually know the value of those players around the league, but I think Landry's is pretty high.

I still say wait til the deadline before solidifying the bench, I think the first half of the season is going to be a bit messy (and remember Amar'e seems to start slowly before turning it on in the second half of the season), but it won't put us out of the playoffs. Alsohopefully our players will have increased their value by then, and we'll be a bit more sure of the core rotation.

Assuming we don't make anymore moves, are you revising down your win total for this year?

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smackeddog wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:When i was talking bench enhancement--I was thinking about guys who can come off the bench in a top 8-9 man rotation and give a serious impact. I think we are very *light* upfront after the big 3.

EITHER Carl Landry or Jason Thompson would fill a great roll--an impact 6th man type role. The Kings cant play 6 bigs--what would it take to get either of these guys here?

I don't think there's any chance they'd give you either of those two (and they'd be foolish to!)- the only player they'd be willing to part with would be Dalembert as they traded for him before they knew they'd get Cousins, and now he's really just an expiring contract. I think they envisage their future as C- Cousins, PF- Landry, with Jason Thompson splitting his time between the two. I think they view Whiteside as a project at this stage, so they won't be in a rush to move him.

Unfortunately I think the only kind of moves available to us at this stage are: sign earl Barron, or Louis Amundson (even thats a stretch- he's looking for multiple years and more than the minimum)- that level of player. We definitely need to sort out the bench- especially the front court, but I don't see it happening until the trade deadline as there are too many uncertainties at the moment i.e will Carmelo be traded, will CP3, how will the team play together, how will Gallo, Randolph, Chandler improve, is Mosgov capable of anything, is Azubuike recovered etc etc- I think we'll just have to be patient even though it may cost us wins in the first half of the season.

agreed. Love Landry because he's proven. Thompson is young and (surprise) inconsistent but has shown flashes. Agree that Sacto probably doesn't give them up easily.

Would not mind Amundson or Barron at all. They seem like they'd be hungry and good for the locker room.

I want a piece--those guys are role players. We need 1-2 more nice pieces. We need some power off the bench and I dont mean a 7-1 Russian who hasnt played 1 second with 0 proof of his ability. We already are piecing and projecting on Gallo and AR(also walker douglas etc..)--I think there has to be another stability player--atleast 1. I liked everything they did but they cant stop here--they need to work and see if we can enhance that bench--not a role player--a fairly major piece. If Amare ever goes down--were cake. We need another guy.

BRIGGS wrote:

TMS wrote:no more trading picks for guys who will be bench players on this team... we just signed 1 of the top PF's in the game, there's no reason at all to trade away picks to get another PF who will be coming off the bench... i see AR as the probably answer as our 6th man off the bench because of his versatility.

I don't view Ron Turriaf as an NBA starter--either did the Lakers. If we can pick up a Jason Thompson who also is 24 years old--I would do it. I don't see Amare as capable of sustaining more than 32-33 minutes over 45- years if we dont want him to get injured. So a legit 4-5 guy who can use some of the 96 minutes is smart.

If we had Thompson and did Amare 33 Randolph 33 Thompson 30 foul trouble whoever. Id easily star Randolph over Ron T even if no trade. Yes we need a PG--we blew that part of the draft for sure--but I think we should be able to get a vet minimum player as a third guy.

i don't think playing rail skinny AR at the 5 is the answer for us longterm... i think he's ideally suited for a 6th man role as long as Gallo is here at the 3 personally, at least until we see if he can handle a fulltime role as a starter... sorta like how we handled Marcus Camby... i agree, Turiaf is not an NBA starter, we still need an upgrade there, but IMO MDA will start him this year because he wants someone to do the dirty work downlow & allow Amare to focus on offense... i don't view AR as being the physical player we need to body up & defend bigger C's downlow either, he's more of a help defender off the weak side & a guy who can use his length to bother perimeter shooters, sorta like how we used Fishlips in his time here.

BRIGGS wrote:

WHAT do you follow the NBA?????????????????????????????????????/ They JUST acquired him LESS THAN 2 months ago!!!!!!!

What, because in the NBA a teams circumstances never change in the space of 2 months and following a draft? Yes- they traded for Dalembert 2 months ago... days BEFORE the draft- I very much doubt they anticipated Cousins falling to them at that stage. Before they got Cousins it made sense- it filled their need at C, however since drafting Cousins, assuming he turns out good, then they'd be stupid to keep Dalembert after this season. I could understand keeping Dalembert for the first few months until they know how Cousins is looking, but there's no way he gets re-signed after this year if JT has improved and Cousins works out- Dalembert was only good that year before he got the big contract- are you honestly saying if you were the GM of the Kings you'd keep him when you have Cousins and trade away JT instead? They're in no rush, they can afford to wait and evaluate their young talent- they're not going to rush into dropping Landry or JT now just because the Knicks need them.

TMS wrote:

i agree with you smackdeddog, but realistically what would you wanna offer to get Dalembert? Eddy Curry's expiring isn't gonna get it done obviously. is Dalembert worth giving up a guy like Wilson Chandler? i wouldn't do it personally... i'd sooner just pass & see what that Russian kid & Turiaf can give us this year & not give up any of our promising young talent (meaning Gallo, AR & Chandler) to get someone like Dalembert.

Nah, I don't really want dalembert, I was just saying if the Kings are going to reduce their front court players, he's the most likely to go- I'd rather have him than curry, but I wouldn't give anything up for him. All we can really do at this stage is sign Earl Barron. I agree that Turiaf isn't a starting centre- plus he seems to have gained quite a lot of weight- he looks huge compared to his Laker days- I remember Phil Weber said on Knicks Night Live that a player kept telling him he was going to get his weight down, and i can only hope it was either him or Felton (who also looks a little chunky to be doing all the running thats required).

Anyways before deciding how to upgrade the front court we need to see Randolph in action and whether he can handle the centre spot- I hope he can, because when his contract is up he's the kind of player who'll want a starting role, and if he can then all we need is a good back up PF/C. If he can't then we need a good starting C. Either way, while I see where Briggs is coming from, I don't think we can make the kind of moves he wants to at this stage.