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7/31/2010  1:15 AM
Shannon Brown's offer from the New York Knicks is worth $4-5 million per year, according to one source.
http://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA
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7/31/2010  1:19 AM
CrushAlot wrote:Shannon Brown's offer from the New York Knicks is worth $4-5 million per year, according to one source.
http://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA

Is this even possible, given our cap situation?

That amount of $$ would also mean that Walsh/MDA see him as our starter at SG.

A lot of $$, IMO.

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7/31/2010  1:21 AM
I am not sure if it is possible. He writes for Hoopsworld and said to check the site in the morning.
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7/31/2010  1:26 AM
This is from his twitter page:

For more details on the Shannon Brown situation, check out the NBA Saturday on @HOOPSWORLD tomorrow morning.
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The Lakers also have an offer on the table. An increased role plus that kind of money from New York is why this decision is tough for Brown.
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Shannon Brown's offer from the New York Knicks is worth $4-5 million per year, according to one source

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7/31/2010  1:32 AM
Alex Kennedy is 17 years old.
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7/31/2010  1:36 AM
Childs2Dudley wrote:Alex Kennedy is 17 years old.

I went back and looked at him and I think you are right. I saw this on realgm and one comment was that he is usually accurate. Wow, 17 years old. I think he does chats on Hoopsworld.
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7/31/2010  8:30 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/31/2010  8:52 AM
From HoopsWorld - Saturday morning
Brown's Difficult Decision: The Los Angeles Lakers have made it clear that re-signing Shannon Brown is their top priority. He has an excellent relationship with Kobe Bryant, was a significant contributor during their title runs, and would be one of the few returning faces on the team's revamped second unit.

But because they're not the only team that covets Brown, the Lakers have been in contact with several available guards in case they need to replace his services. While they remain optimistic that the guard will choose to return to Los Angeles, there are several factors making his decision a difficult one.

The New York Knicks are trying to pry Brown away from the Lakers and they have put together an offer that will likely get his attention. While he is happy with the situation in Los Angeles, the Knicks can provide Brown with more playing time, a bigger contract, and a system that he could thrive in due to his style of play.

According to one source, New York is prepared to open up their wallet for Brown, offering a multi-year contract that would end up paying him roughly $4 million per season. The Knicks are willing to spend this money because they envision an increased role for Brown in New York playing under Mike D'Antoni. Joining Amar'e Stoudemire, Raymond Felton, Anthony Randolph, and Danilo Gallinari as part of the team's core, Brown would be able to receive his big payday and see consistent, predictable minutes for the first time in his career.

By offering the two things that the Lakers cannot, money and minutes, the Knicks are making Brown evaluate his priorities.

Is he willing to sacrifice those things to play for one of the best teams in the league or is he looking for the chance to contribute more and find stability on an up-and-coming team?

After winning two rings as a role player, some feel that Brown wants to step up and see what he can do outside of the supporting cast role. Many players turn down less money to join the Lakers' second unit, as we've witnessed several times this summer, but it's often to win a ring or gain exposure. Brown has done both during his time in Los Angeles and that's why some feel he's ready to move onto new things.

Brown will be forced to decide what he wants out of these next several years and which destination is better for his future. Both sides can offer different things and at the end of the day, he'll have to choose which situation is best for him.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=16966

I am not sure how we can pay him $4 million/season unless he is making much less this season or the Knicks are trading away someone else and not receiving a matching salary in return?

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7/31/2010  8:40 AM
The fact that the writer did not even address the Knicks cap situation leads me to believe he doens't know that the Knicks can not offer a salary in that range
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7/31/2010  8:57 AM
This is probably a S&T or Alex Kennedy meant $4M-$5M for 2 years.
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7/31/2010  8:59 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/31/2010  9:23 AM
Man, Shannon Brown for $4-5M?? Wow..Sylven Landesberg was the guy to add for SG depth..Undrafted, we could've got this guy for a song, probably the cost of a mid 2nd round pick if not less. Man this friggin' dude Fine's an annoying broken record right? LOL I know, I know but again -- only 20-years-old, 6'6", great slasher that can get to the tin at will, natural scorer's mentality, best player on the floor almost everytime I saw his play a college game, improved his outside shooting substantially his sophomore season to the point where it became a go-to weapon, makes his FTs, contributes a little on the glass, plus he's a good passer/facilitator that knows exactly what to do with the ball in his hands. Not the above-the-rim high-flyer some of these other kids are but he's still very solid athletically..I had this guy as the 2nd best SG talent in the draft behind Evan Turner..A TON of upside and a great young piece to continue building with. If we grabbed him, he probably wouldn't have played right away although you never know -- Azubuike may not be ready and/or he may never even be 100% again (hopefully not of course, because he can really play) and Chandler's outta here at the end of the year if not by the trading deadline. They're just not gonna want to pay him I fear--they'd rather free up that cap room for Melo or whoever else (which Brown for any kid of substantial money directly impacts btw)..Real strong chance both of these guys aren't on the team next year..In the meantime, Rautins looked overmatched this summer and although Fields showed some real nice things, he may not be ready--even MDA said he wants to see the kid play at that level once training camp starts..Point is even though he could use some development time/refinement just like every young player, Landesberg definitely had the talent and maturity to play in the NBA this year if need be. No question about it. With another year or 2 of seasoning at UVA, this kid could've been a lottery pick..I don't know what the hell people saw in him but to me, he was already 1st round material THIS YEAR.

What's not to like about Landesberg on the Knicks? Someone explain it to me please. Talent, youth, upside, size, ability to jump in and contribute this year if need be, negligible cap impact...I mean you name it, he was the perfect fit for what we're looking for...I would love to hear an explanation from Walsh/MDA on why he made no sense but Shannon Brown does for $5M.

You would think the Knicks would've been all over this kid..I guess they feel they got something similar in Landry Fields --- only problem is Fields might wind up being your only 2G by next year. You're still gonna need more..Landesberg would've thrived in this up tempo style...I'm really at a complete loss--we had him in for a workout. It's not like they didn't know who he was..I mean even if he shot the ball terribly that day, you can see the kid has very good talent. Superior talent. It's plain as day..Local kid too..Would've been a real nice story..I can't understand how we let him get away..Would've been a nice young piece on the cheap that we would've had under our control for the forseeable future. Now we're looking at overpaying through the nose for Shannon Brown, something we were doing a good job of avoiding up until now apparently...Landesberg signed a 2-year deal to go play in Israel..You better believe I'll be monitoring his progress. Very well could be an option for us 2 years from now...Only problem is once he gets done ripping up this Israeli league, I fear the price is gonna go up..Two years from now, he'll be the one looking for Shannon Brown money..We did a very good job overall this off-season, don't get me wrong, but as far as piecing the last couple of roster spots together, we don't appear to be going at it the right way.

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7/31/2010  9:00 AM
How much can the Knicks' offer? Are you sure that even after counting the annual salary raises, they can't offer a multi-year contract that averages out to "roughly 4 mil per"? I thought they had over 3 mil to offer. So the roughly 4 mil doesn't sound far-fetched.
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7/31/2010  9:07 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/31/2010  9:07 AM
Last time I checked, I thought we only had like $2.0M left.
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7/31/2010  9:16 AM
I think the knicks cap number is about 2.5M right now.
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7/31/2010  9:22 AM
Its probably a 5 year deal or S+T offer--or both:) I think ewingglass said we could pay 17.5mm over 5 years with a starting point of 2.5mm in cap. If that is edged up a bit(assuming we have a little more)--you can see where 4mm is possible.
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7/31/2010  9:35 AM
Briggs, I think it would have to be a sign and trade to get to those figures.

For reference, this is the contract that could be signed if the Knicks cap number is 2.5M, adding in the 8% max raise per year.

Year 1: 2.5 M
Year 2: 2.7 M
Year 3: 2.9 M
Year 4: 3.1 M
Year 5: 3.3 M

Total: 14.5 M

This averages out to 2.9M a year well below the stated 4M average in the article (4-5M stated in his twitter). Got to be a sign and trade if this has any validity. I'm not buying this to be true. Sounds like an agent putting numbers out there to get LA to pony up more $.

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7/31/2010  9:58 AM
We have exactly $3,043,279M left.
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7/31/2010  10:10 AM
Interesting - Shannon Brown averaged 15.3 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.9 apg, 1 spg as a starter last year in 7 games. Pretty much what Wilson Chandler has averaged too.

Makes me wonder if management doesn't believe Kelenna Azubuike is fully healed from his injury and they weren't too impressed with Bill Walker in SL. You have to assume Brown would only come here if promised to start.

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7/31/2010  10:15 AM
maybe there is one of those bonuses for making the play offs????
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7/31/2010  10:43 AM
"Man, Shannon Brown for $4-5M?? Wow..Sylven Landesberg was the guy to add for SG depth."

Donnie Walsh put out a clue a couple of weeks ago when someone asked him if he was done adding players this year. Actually, he said, our quality at shooting guard could still be improved. I definitely don't think that he is adding "SG depth" with Shannon Brown. Instead, I think he believes the great fit between Shannon Brown's talents, and the way the Knicks want to play, makes him an excellent candidate to start for the Knicks at shooting guard. The advantage of adding Brown, is that it frees up the Knick's ability to trade Chandler either now or down the road.

How do you feel about trading Wilson, misterearl and others?

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7/31/2010  11:15 AM
I don't like that Chandler isn't mentioned as part of the core. I think the Knicks are going to really regret moving Chandler so I hope this move isn't being made as the first step.
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