BRIGGS wrote:

Paladin55 wrote:http://www.columbian.com/news/2010/jul/27/mcmillan-finds-new-company-on-bench/

Pretty sure that some folks like at least one of the 4 mentioned here, and I recall that the Knicks had Armon Johnson on their short list leading up to draft night.

At the end of the article:

By Brian T. Smith
Columbian staff writer

Tuesday, July 27, 2010

Notes

• The Blazers remain open to trading guard Rudy Fernandez, team sources said. It is unlikely Fernandez will be waived or release. But the team views him and guard Jerryd Bayless as possible trade assets following the recent signing of guard Wesley Matthews.

• A decision has not been made about the future of guards Patty Mills and Armon Johnson, a team source said. Both players improved their stock during Summer League play, and their value to the organization will be assessed during meetings this week.

They have too many guards and their roster is @ 14 you would think that our remaining cap space would be attractive by itself. Id take a couple of them off their hand sin the right deal.

waly01 wrote:Are you guys insane? I've been reading these Rudy threads and choosing not to get too involved but this is just insane how much people are overvaluing our guys and undervaluing Rudy. I'm not in love with Rudy but to throw out suggestions of Rautins or Walker for Rudy straight up is insane. Most people here don't even want Rautins to make the roster and Billy Walker has played about 15-20 total games in the NBA. I can understand not wanting to overpay but at least be realistic - neither of those two players would sniff playing time in Portland.

Armon is the player I would be more interested in if he is available as the Knicks need a back-up PG.

That was Walker AND Rautins, not "or".

Walker played great for the Knicks:
27 games for the Knicks; 27 min/game and had 12 ppg coming off of the bench. Hit 43% from behind the arc and 52% FG%.

What did Rudy do last year?
62 games; 23 min/game; 8.1 ppg with 38% FG%; 36.8% 3pt.; 2 ass'ts/game. That sucks IMO.

waly01 wrote:a) I watched every game Walker played and I followed him in college at Kstate.

b) He had knee concerns all through his playing career - hence his low pick. Couldn't get off the bench in Boston and then comes in and plays some garbage games with the knicks who clearly had nothing left to play for and gave him tons of consistent minutes. If I'm a GM - I'm not even close to sold on his numbers in 27 games when he was getting close to starter minutes, ESPECIALLY since he was never known for his 3pt shot at any point. Again, Rautins doesn't look like he belongs on a NBA roster let alone be enough to make this trade fair for Portland.

c)Rudy was a superstar in Spain - he had a great Olympics and came in and made 160 threes in his rookie year showing athletism high bball IQ and a ton of potential. He obviously had a very bad year but like Nate Mcmillan said - he's a guy who needs minutes and a consistant role to get into the flow of the game and be good. He's not a guy you just bring off the bench and spot up. If the knicks get him - I garuntee he's starting at the 2 within 20 games and I garuntee you'll get numbers closer to his rookie year than he put up last year.

Bottom line here is if you called Portland with that offer for Rudy he would laugh in your face. We'll see what he gets traded for but i will promise you it'll be better than that insanely onesided offer you proposed.

i don't disagree with any of the above, but here is the other side of the coin: Rudy did play poorly over the past few years. His shooting numbers for a shooting guard are pretty poor. He wants out.

Portland doesn't have too much leverage here as they have many multiple players at his same position - Batum, Bayless, Wesley, Roy. So, do they hold on to him and not play him minutes at the beginning of the year to pump value?

Prob why you are seeing offers (and fantasy offers) that are below his ceiling value.

waly01 wrote:a) I watched every game Walker played and I followed him in college at Kstate.

b) He had knee concerns all through his playing career - hence his low pick. Couldn't get off the bench in Boston and then comes in and plays some garbage games with the knicks who clearly had nothing left to play for and gave him tons of consistent minutes. If I'm a GM - I'm not even close to sold on his numbers in 27 games when he was getting close to starter minutes, ESPECIALLY since he was never known for his 3pt shot at any point. Again, Rautins doesn't look like he belongs on a NBA roster let alone be enough to make this trade fair for Portland.

c)Rudy was a superstar in Spain - he had a great Olympics and came in and made 160 threes in his rookie year showing athletism high bball IQ and a ton of potential. He obviously had a very bad year but like Nate Mcmillan said - he's a guy who needs minutes and a consistant role to get into the flow of the game and be good. He's not a guy you just bring off the bench and spot up. If the knicks get him - I garuntee he's starting at the 2 within 20 games and I garuntee you'll get numbers closer to his rookie year than he put up last year.

Bottom line here is if you called Portland with that offer for Rudy he would laugh in your face. We'll see what he gets traded for but i will promise you it'll be better than that insanely onesided offer you proposed.

Rudy has very low trade value, simply because he is demanding a trade and has told the blazers that he will go back to europe if he's not sent to a team of his choosing. That list is small, and he seems to want to be a starter and have a promenant role- this is very unlikely to happen in any of the teams he has specified (maybe chicago, though they signed a 2 guard already), as most teams have made their major moves now and are just rounding off their benches. Further more Portland has plenty of players on their rosters and so they don't have the room for player thats going to command a lot of minutes. He'll probably get moved for second round picks, or if a team is determined maybe a late 1st.

Markji wrote:Read McMillan's quote again. It's just hype and BS. What he is really saying is: Rudy had a really bad year. He strongly and publically wants to be traded. We want to trade him. I am trying to get as much as I can in return, so I am trying to spin a tale of why Rudy played so poorly last year. This is the best I can do in trying to paint a positive picture of Rudy. I hope you will be interested in him and give me something worthwhile in return.

Bottom line: McMillan would be doing well to get Bill Walker in return for Rudy. As Martin and Paladin have pointed out, Portland is not in a strong bargaining position.

Rudy can hit the 3 pt, and that is what we need. He is a gunner.
Have Gun, Will Travel!.

To be honest- I think they will take the best draft picks offered for him- I don't think they want any more players at this time. If we get him, though, how do we fit him in minute-wise? Not the greatest perimeter defender, by the way.

And real funny with the TV show reference.

smackeddog wrote:

Paladin55 wrote:
To be honest- I think they will take the best draft picks offered for him- I don't think they want any more players at this time. If we get him, though, how do we fit him in minute-wise? Not the greatest perimeter defender, by the way.

Thats Rudy's problem- he wants 30mins + and a dominant, starting role, but none of the teams on his list have the space to give him that- Chicago, Boston, NY only seem to have a 20min bench role to offer. His issues aside he could handle some of the playmaking when Douglas is in, helps us with our lack of back up PG and true SG, plus he'd give us another shooter. His attitude stinks, but I still find it amazing how much his standing with Blazers fans has plummeted- his first year they were all singing his praises and he was untouchable, and yet one year later they absolutely hate him. If we got him, with his prima donna attitude, he could turn out to be this years Darko and not see the light of day before going back to europe.

I think Rudy has a great chance to start here. Walsh has gone on record several times to stress the lack of a SG on this team. Azibuke might not be ready at the start of training camp and Chandler is a SF in the eyes of Walsh and MDA despite the numbers he put up at the SG position last year. Besides, our coach likes to spread the floor and open up the paint. Besides having more range than Chanlder, Rudy is a better playmaker aswell. I can see the following starting lineup with Chandler and Randoplh the first two off the bench

pg Felton
sg Fernandez
sf Gallo
pf Stoudemire
c Turiaf