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Kobe Bryant: “European Player Development Superior To That Of U.S.
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7/28/2010  12:26 PM
From an English-language story running this morning from China’s national press agency Xinhua, Kobe was a bit fancifully quoted through a translator and back again, but the message on several topics was quite clear.

On what other countries need to learn from NBA and American basketball system, Kobe gave a surprising answer, and he said: “I believe that the system works best right now is not the US system, I believe it is the European system. Because they develop basketball players, and they teach them the skills. I think the European system has jumped over US system.”


Now one might argue that this is the viewpoint of an American baller who never played the college game in the ‘States, but might not David Stern & Co. (not to mention the NCAA-Plantation) take this as a little constructive criticism…? BallinEurope has personally felt for at least a decade that the U.S. is crying out for a proper minor-league basketball system.

http://www.ballineurope.com/us-basketball/nba/kobe-bryant-on-european-basketball-player-development-4203/[

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7/28/2010  12:28 PM
I think it's true and the reason it's true is that our pre-nba players are going to school and not devoting all their time to basketball. This is a good thing.
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7/28/2010  12:29 PM
Kobe is probably right.
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7/28/2010  12:31 PM
this is why playa's favorite knick, gallo, is so skilled.
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7/28/2010  12:53 PM
I disagree. The US system is the best since it produces the best players and the best league in the world.
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7/28/2010  12:54 PM
eViL wrote:this is why playa's favorite knick, gallo, is so skilled.

Perhaps, but he is playa's favorite knick because he's white.

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7/28/2010  12:56 PM
eViL wrote:this is why playa's favorite knick, gallo, is so skilled.

Yea evil it's no joke that since the Bird era, most of the best white players are from Europe.HA HA

then explain why no international player, excluding Canadians Nash and Kobe, cannot dominate the game of basketball?

Why isn't their a international superstar around here in the NBA?

Where's German Lebron!?

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7/28/2010  12:59 PM
playa2 wrote:
eViL wrote:this is why playa's favorite knick, gallo, is so skilled.

Yea evil it's no joke that since the Bird era, most of the best white players are from Europe.HA HA

then explain why no international player, excluding Canadians Nash and Kobe, cannot dominate the game of basketball?

Why isn't their a international superstar around here in the NBA?

Where's German Lebron!?

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7/28/2010  1:06 PM
playa2 wrote:
eViL wrote:this is why playa's favorite knick, gallo, is so skilled.

Yea evil it's no joke that since the Bird era, most of the best white players are from Europe.HA HA

then explain why no international player, excluding Canadians Nash and Kobe, cannot dominate the game of basketball?

Why isn't their a international superstar around here in the NBA?

Where's German Lebron!?

because superstars are all about marketing. and the NBA, an american league, wants to market to their american community. kobe, lebron, wade, garnett -- these guys are community superstars. you think they'd let a german dude lead his team to a title? no way. gotta have D-Wade, an all-american boy, carry his team. sells more sneakers that way. nobody even knows what sneakers dirk wears. am i doing good?

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7/28/2010  1:15 PM
You combine the pure athletism mostly found here in the states. With the pure fundamental basketball found overseas and you get more Kobe Bryants or Kevin Garnets.

They have to find a way to combine it all together.

Then again you put in a system for atheltic african americans to develop fundamentals on a consistant prove level then those white guys would stand no chance. :)

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7/28/2010  1:34 PM
Ira wrote:I think it's true and the reason it's true is that our pre-nba players are going to school and not devoting all their time to basketball. This is a good thing.

Really?

What schools are we talking about? HS? College?

Our best players are only kept from coming to the NBA out of HS because there are restrictions on this. You have guys going to college for 1 year, who probably care little about the education they are getting in class- more about the exposure they get on the court.

You have all of those AAU teams and traveling teams during HS, and you know a lot of our kids are spending more time thinking about their game stats than geometry.

The problem I see is that there are a lot of gifted athletes in the NBA who, as youth, are coddled and pampered without any attempt to instill in them the fundamentals of the game. You get a moose like James- able to dominate in HS without having to learn certain aspects of the game and never really attempting to learn them from what I can see. You get the 1 year college kids who are only in college to make a splash- and have little concern for refining their games if all they have to do is show "potential" to get drafted. In some ways there is no incentive to be a complete player

LeBron James in a fine player, but after 7 years he still has a sporadic jumper from longer distance, and little or no mid-range or post-up game. Most of Kobe's skills can be attributed to his dad being a player- most pros who had dads in the game seem to understand the fundamentals- and it is not even close in terms of fundamentals between Bryant and James at this point. An MJ - James comparison highlights the same issue. He played under a great college coach with great teammates, and worked on aspects of his game to become a complete player. James is not a guy who will be as effective if he slows down or suffers any kind of injury to his wheels, because without his explosiveness he is actually a pretty limited player- you will never see him putting up numbers like Jordan did in his mid to late 30s.

And guess what- fans contribute to some of the issues we see- kids are more likely to look at a spectacular dunk than the pass that got the ball to the dunker. They don't pay attention to a player who boxes out well or keeps another player from getting the ball in good position. Fans have respect for Tim Duncan, but he will not be the guy a young kid dreams of being, and guys on forums like this will talk about or post "sick dunks" by marginal players before they show Duncan's footwork in the post or him using the backboard on a side jumper.

None of this means that the U.S. is not going to produce great players, but I would agree with Bryant that there is a skills gap between the U.S. and Europe, and pound for pound, their guys have more learned skills and an understanding of fundamentals than our guy, however you look at it, and to be honest, you see more fundamentals in the WNBA, too.

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7/28/2010  2:37 PM
Paladin55 wrote:
Ira wrote:I think it's true and the reason it's true is that our pre-nba players are going to school and not devoting all their time to basketball. This is a good thing.

Really?

What schools are we talking about? HS? College?

Our best players are only kept from coming to the NBA out of HS because there are restrictions on this. You have guys going to college for 1 year, who probably care little about the education they are getting in class- more about the exposure they get on the court.

You have all of those AAU teams and traveling teams during HS, and you know a lot of our kids are spending more time thinking about their game stats than geometry.

The problem I see is that there are a lot of gifted athletes in the NBA who, as youth, are coddled and pampered without any attempt to instill in them the fundamentals of the game. You get a moose like James- able to dominate in HS without having to learn certain aspects of the game and never really attempting to learn them from what I can see. You get the 1 year college kids who are only in college to make a splash- and have little concern for refining their games if all they have to do is show "potential" to get drafted. In some ways there is no incentive to be a complete player

LeBron James in a fine player, but after 7 years he still has a sporadic jumper from longer distance, and little or no mid-range or post-up game. Most of Kobe's skills can be attributed to his dad being a player- most pros who had dads in the game seem to understand the fundamentals- and it is not even close in terms of fundamentals between Bryant and James at this point. An MJ - James comparison highlights the same issue. He played under a great college coach with great teammates, and worked on aspects of his game to become a complete player. James is not a guy who will be as effective if he slows down or suffers any kind of injury to his wheels, because without his explosiveness he is actually a pretty limited player- you will never see him putting up numbers like Jordan did in his mid to late 30s.

And guess what- fans contribute to some of the issues we see- kids are more likely to look at a spectacular dunk than the pass that got the ball to the dunker. They don't pay attention to a player who boxes out well or keeps another player from getting the ball in good position. Fans have respect for Tim Duncan, but he will not be the guy a young kid dreams of being, and guys on forums like this will talk about or post "sick dunks" by marginal players before they show Duncan's footwork in the post or him using the backboard on a side jumper.

None of this means that the U.S. is not going to produce great players, but I would agree with Bryant that there is a skills gap between the U.S. and Europe, and pound for pound, their guys have more learned skills and an understanding of fundamentals than our guy, however you look at it, and to be honest, you see more fundamentals in the WNBA, too.

LOL--come on "LeBron James in a fine player" he's the best player in the world. Teams win it all but the Knicks wouldve sold their soul to get LBJ and so would every club.

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7/28/2010  2:39 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:You combine the pure athletism mostly found here in the states. With the pure fundamental basketball found overseas and you get more Kobe Bryants or Kevin Garnets.

They have to find a way to combine it all together.

Then again you put in a system for atheltic african americans to develop fundamentals on a consistant prove level then those white guys would stand no chance. :)

Right, the USA has the BEST ATHLETES, not the best players, the physically abuse national competion, but when the US puts a less physical squad out there (04 USA team), they arent that much better.

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7/28/2010  3:06 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/28/2010  3:09 PM
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LOL--come on "LeBron James in a fine player" he's the best player in the world. Teams win it all but the Knicks wouldve sold their soul to get LBJ and so would every club.

Perhaps I was making a subtle insult ...

...But Briggs- he is still a flawed player who is also a super all around athlete- and I would not call him the best player in the world. If you really look at what he can do, and how teams have stopped him, his game has not developed that much since he came into the league, other than his long range shooting to an extent.

Hell, I wanted him on this team, but I'm not blind to what his strengths and weaknesses are as a player. He is extremely strong and fast for a man his size. He has good court vision, and is a pretty good ball handler (crab dribble aside), a good rebounder, and good defender, but he has some significant flaws that are magnified come the playoffs, and there are aspects of his game, which I touched on, which are still undeveloped.

In fact a good part of his offense comes from fast breaks and him standing beyond the 3 pt line and taking off for the basket using his ball handling, speed, and pure power. Why do you think Posey did a good job against him- he was quick enough to stay in front of him and long enough to bother him.

The topic under discussion was skill levels of U.S. vs European players, and I am using him as an example of a great player who still cannot do certain things despite his physical abilities, and my point is that some things which should have been instilled into his game are still not there, and probably never will. I also don't believe that he is the kind of player who will be able to compensate (remake his game) for his eventual physical decline like some older vets have done.

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7/28/2010  3:09 PM
Paladin55 wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:

LOL--come on "LeBron James in a fine player" he's the best player in the world. Teams win it all but the Knicks wouldve sold their soul to get LBJ and so would every club.

Perhaps I was making a subtle insult ...

...But Briggs- he is still a flawed player who is also a super all around athlete- and I would not call him the best player in the world. If you really look at what he can do, and how teams have stopped him, his game has not developed that much since he came into the league, other than his long range shooting to an extent.

Hell, I wanted him on this team, but I'm not blind to what his strengths and weaknesses are as a player. He is extremely strong and fast for a man his size. He has good court vision, and is a pretty good ball handler (crab dribble aside), a good rebounder, and good defender, but he has some significant flaws that are magnified come the playoffs, and there are aspects of his game, which I touched on, which are still undeveloped.

The topic under discussion was skill levels of U.S. vs European players, and I am using him as an example of a great player who still cannot do certain things despite his physical abilities, and my point is that some things which should have been instilled into his game are still not there, and probably never will. I also don't believe that he is the kind of player who will be able to compensate (remake his game) for his eventual physical decline like some older vets have done.

Come on now who is better than LBJ--that shtty team still won 63+ games. If you move him for Kobe--and that is a real team there--he wins there.

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7/28/2010  3:21 PM
Lebron is better then Kobe because of his physical ability. Kobe is more skilled then Lebron though pound for pound.
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7/28/2010  3:25 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
Paladin55 wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:

LOL--come on "LeBron James in a fine player" he's the best player in the world. Teams win it all but the Knicks wouldve sold their soul to get LBJ and so would every club.

Perhaps I was making a subtle insult ...

...But Briggs- he is still a flawed player who is also a super all around athlete- and I would not call him the best player in the world. If you really look at what he can do, and how teams have stopped him, his game has not developed that much since he came into the league, other than his long range shooting to an extent.

Hell, I wanted him on this team, but I'm not blind to what his strengths and weaknesses are as a player. He is extremely strong and fast for a man his size. He has good court vision, and is a pretty good ball handler (crab dribble aside), a good rebounder, and good defender, but he has some significant flaws that are magnified come the playoffs, and there are aspects of his game, which I touched on, which are still undeveloped.

The topic under discussion was skill levels of U.S. vs European players, and I am using him as an example of a great player who still cannot do certain things despite his physical abilities, and my point is that some things which should have been instilled into his game are still not there, and probably never will. I also don't believe that he is the kind of player who will be able to compensate (remake his game) for his eventual physical decline like some older vets have done.

Come on now who is better than LBJ--that shtty team still won 63+ games. If you move him for Kobe--and that is a real team there--he wins there.

Kobe is NBA's best player hands down!!

But I know another better player then Lebron in the NBA

His teammate....... Wade

And no matter what Lebron ever does Wade will always be better!!!

lebron choose to be Wade's sidekick

Wade is Batman and Bron is a gay ass Robin!!

His choice BTW not mine!!....

He can never be Mike or Kobe

He can't be even Wade

Lebron is today's Pippen and can now never be more!!

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7/28/2010  3:27 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:Lebron is better then Kobe because of his physical ability. Kobe is more skilled then Lebron though pound for pound.

When Kobe came in he was as equally athletic as Bron

Had to defer to Shaq in first 6 years or 3's would be even better then Bron's

Bron can't sniff Kobe's pantys

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7/28/2010  3:27 PM
I agree with Kobe completely.

Fact: our best athletes play basketball or football

Fact: Europe's best athletes play soccer

Fact: European and other international teams can beat the American squads


The European system teaches fundamentals better. It is the only way to explain the increased quality of play when the American athletes are vastly superior

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7/28/2010  3:30 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
Come on now who is better than LBJ--that shtty team still won 63+ games. If you move him for Kobe--and that is a real team there--he wins there.

I'm trying to deconstruct his game from a skill point, anyway, not argue about who is better than who...and nobody can say how LA would be if you switched Bryant for James- you just can't be sure because it could never happen.

You are locking in on one thing and not looking at the issue which is the topic of this thread.

In many ways, James is like a bully as a player (Just like Tyson was in boxing until fought Douglas- a guy who, on that night, showed no fear.), and when confronted, bullies usually back down. It will be interesting to see how opposition players treat him this year, because you know that he showed his first sign of fear as an athlete by moving to Miami, and a lot of players will have lost respect and some of the awe they had for him.

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