JrZyHuStLa wrote:Am I missing something here? Why are a lot of people believing that we actually have a chance against the Heat?

not saying we beat the heat, but sometimes teams are greater than the sum of their parts. in my opinion, we have a lot complimentary pieces now. i'd like to see how they mesh.

eViL wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:Am I missing something here? Why are a lot of people believing that we actually have a chance against the Heat?

not saying we beat the heat, but sometimes teams are greater than the sum of their parts. in my opinion, we have a lot complimentary pieces now. i'd like to see how they mesh.

I think we have a good team as well. I haven't been this excited about the Knicks for a while. But we need to do everything in our power to make the playoffs with a higher seed than the 8th, because we're looking at a sweep from Miami.

If the Knicks can get the 6th or 7th spot, a series against Boston/Orlando/Chicago would allow us to at least win a game or two imo.

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

eViL wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:Am I missing something here? Why are a lot of people believing that we actually have a chance against the Heat?

not saying we beat the heat, but sometimes teams are greater than the sum of their parts. in my opinion, we have a lot complimentary pieces now. i'd like to see how they mesh.

I think we have a good team as well. I haven't been this excited about the Knicks for a while. But we need to do everything in our power to make the playoffs with a higher seed than the 8th, because we're looking at a sweep from Miami.

If the Knicks can get the 6th or 7th spot, a series against Boston/Orlando/Chicago would allow us to at least win a game or two imo.

yeah man, miami is putting pressure on everyone. but in the same way i think our pieces are gonna be greater than their sum, miami in a lot of ways won't be maxing out the potential of their big 3.

further, once bosh is in foul trouble, who is their main big? ilgauskas? magliore? haslem? our bigs should eat that up. granted, miami has wings that we won't be able to handle. so it's really gonna come down to mismatches. nothing is certain.

ultimately, since lebron, wade and bosh have decided to relinquish their franchise superstar status, the most poetic result would be for them to stop receiving superstar treatment. wouldn't that be a hoot? haha. crab dribble? try travel. wade hits the floor? no whistle. haha...

my main argument against going for paul is that it corners us. we've waited so long for flexibility and i think we just saw how nice it is to be able to pick and choose your deals rather than being desperate and having to settle. we got amazing value for lee. would have never happened if we didn't have all that space. my current stance is to wait til december 15th at a minimum. also, is it too far fetched to think felton blossoms in his 6th year the same way nash and billups did?

They'd have to take Curry if I was making the deal. I want to keep Gallo n AR.

CrushAlot wrote:I don't think the Knicks will beat the Heat, Miami or Orlando. However, Walsh is building a team. If the Knicks get the 7th or 8th seed and take Miami, Boston or Orlando to seven games in the first round and it is a war I am ok with that. The only team that jumped to championship contender status after this offseason is Miami. I think chasing Paul and giving up the farm right now is a mistake.

Word. It would be a classic NYK starphuck mistake, worthy of Layden or Isaiah, but Walsh is not looking to wreck what he just built. With Melo still holding off on that rich extension, we gotta stand pat. Now if Melo signs that deal, and there is something in the works for CP3, I would certainly think it over again.

knickstorrents wrote:Absolutely agree here. Realistically we will not be winning a championship for a few years, so we might as well let this team play TOGETHER and become a TEAM, while preserving our assets and amassing cap space as our undesirable players fall off the cap. Remember, the ultimate goal is winning it all, and not filling up the seats and getting eliminated in the first round of the playoffs. Right now, gutting our roster for a CP3 will maybe get us into the 2nd round if we get no injuries AND Chris Paul gets back to pre-injury playing ability... that's a lot of risk for limited upside.

We have more of a chance to become a CHAMPIONSHIP contender by allowing our existing high upside players attempt to reach their potential. If CP3 is still unhappy (whether it be in NO or the Trailblazers or Magic) AND if our roster can become better from within, our situation may be nice enough for us to entice him as a free agent... which will allow us to outright ADD talent to bring us over the top. The only scenario I see where we can contend for a championship is by outright ADDing a Chris Paul to our roster. If we gut our roster to add him we're taking 2 steps forward 2 steps back.

in 2 years you will have to make the choice whether to extend Gallo, AR & Wilson's contracts, or trade them away, because there won't be enough cap space to extend those guys & still go after CP3 in free agency, so your idea of adding CP3 outright to this team w/o losing any of our young players is pretty much implausible... & before that even happens, you will have to decide whether or not to sign Melo the year before, that is if he even wants to come here... & that in itself will pretty much nix any chance of landing CP3 in free agency the following season or signing Gallo, AR & Wilson all to contract extensions for that matter.

if you don't believe this team can become a championship contender for another few years, why did we just spend $100M signing Amare to a contract? so we could tread water as a midling team fighting to make the #7 or 8 seed for the next few years? shouldn't the point be to try & win while we have our main guy on the payroll? or are we going to wait another 3 years until Dwight Howard becomes a FA & do this all over again? this is ridiculous... at some point you have to see some results in terms of wins & losses... if there's a superstar player available you can get without completely & utterly gutting the entire roster, then you do it... if we can keep one of either Gallo or AR & still get CP3, i have to believe the Knicks would go for it at this point.