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NYY1NYK2
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7/24/2010  1:43 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/24/2010  2:01 AM
1. Miami is not running away with the East
I'm sick of reading that Miami is gonna scrape us and everyone in their path, The key to beating miami is going to the rack and getting fouled. (bosh and haslem cannot stop amare) we will rape them in the paint

2. Chris paul is good but
WE SHOULD NOT AND WILL NOT TRADE HALF THE ROSTER FOR A GUY WHO IS COMING BACK FROM A MAJOR KNEE PROBLEM (Already have to worry about stoudemire's knee, gallo's back, bukee's acl or whatever the hell he injured

3. The team we have from starters to bench is as good as any team in the league (we have the lakers height, OKC's youth, and our own run and gun system), so dont get ur panties in a bunch and wait and see how the season plays out.
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7/24/2010  1:59 AM
I am just going to address your second point. I agree that the Knicks should not give up all of their young upside guys to get Paul but I think believing they won't do that is naive. The Knicks have a coach who has had an 8 year career in the NBA as a head coach. He has had 4 years where he lost about 65% of his games and 4 years where he won almost 70% of his games. The variable for wins and loses was having an mvp point guard lead his team. I think D'Antoni is pushing hard for this guy. That being said, I would rather see D'Antoni evolve and adjust to the current roster or move on and the Knicks make a run at Paul at a later time with a new coach. If the Knicks operate from a position of strengh for once and get more than they give up I am ok with getting Paul now. If the Knicks are giving up Gallo, AR, Chandler and picks or something similar to the Jeffries trade then I want no part of it.
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7/24/2010  2:03 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/24/2010  2:06 AM
CrushAlot wrote:I am just going to address your second point. I agree that the Knicks should not give up all of their young upside guys to get Paul but I think believing they won't do that is naive. The Knicks have a coach who has had an 8 year career in the NBA as a head coach. He has had 4 years where he lost about 65% of his games and 4 years where he won almost 70% of his games. The variable for wins and loses was having an mvp point guard lead his team. I think D'Antoni is pushing hard for this guy. That being said, I would rather see D'Antoni evolve and adjust to the current roster or move on and the Knicks make a run at Paul at a later time with a new coach. If the Knicks operate from a position of strengh for once and get more than they give up I am ok with getting Paul now. If the Knicks are giving up Gallo, AR, Chandler and picks or something similar to the Jeffries trade then I want no part of it.

1) I think we should move forward with this roster. Its not decent, ITS GOOD. Felton looked good in charlotte throwing alleys to gerald wallace. Isnt amare and AR 100 times the high flyer gerald wallace is? No need to throw out everyone for CP3. Let him prove himself then we go get him.

2) Great coaches make their players better, THEY TEACH, this is the best roster MDA has seen in a long time. If he cant win with this roster, he needs a new team.
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7/24/2010  2:08 AM
Building a championship team is a marathon, not a race (even Miami required 2 years of planning by wade, bosh, lbj). We have to wait until Dec. 15th anyway, and by then we'll see if Paul can still play. If we can't get Paul for a reasonable price, just wait out the 2 years of his contract (let someone else overpay and gut their roster and draft picks).

We will need the cap flexibility for next year to sign Melo, then we can sign Paul the year after. All the while, our team has a chance to gel and we are still preserving assets.

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7/24/2010  2:18 AM
knickstorrents wrote:Building a championship team is a marathon, not a race (even Miami required 2 years of planning by wade, bosh, lbj). We have to wait until Dec. 15th anyway, and by then we'll see if Paul can still play. If we can't get Paul for a reasonable price, just wait out the 2 years of his contract (let someone else overpay and gut their roster and draft picks).

We will need the cap flexibility for next year to sign Melo, then we can sign Paul the year after. All the while, our team has a chance to gel and we are still preserving assets.

Couldnt have said it better myself
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7/24/2010  2:56 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/24/2010  2:57 AM
I reallyyy don't understand why people think we can beat Miami.

What's up with these threads? Are people serious? Miami can't beat us? WTF ?

Are you talking about a single regular season game, or a playoff series? Either way, we're probably going to lose.

Hmm let me see:

Amare, Gallo, AR >>> Lebron, Wade, Bosh.

Yeaaa, sounds about right.

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7/24/2010  3:08 AM
JrZyHuStLa wrote:I reallyyy don't understand why people think we can beat Miami.

What's up with these threads? Are people serious? Miami can't beat us? WTF ?

Are you talking about a single regular season game, or a playoff series? Either way, we're probably going to lose.

Hmm let me see:

Amare, Gallo, AR >>> Lebron, Wade, Bosh.

Yeaaa, sounds about right.

No you moron, Amare will kill haslem, AR will repeatedly dunk on Bosh, Felton will destroy chalmers. Gallo cant keep up with bron, but he certainly can hold his own. And if it comes to the bench our bench beats theirs ANY and Every day
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7/24/2010  3:13 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/24/2010  3:15 AM
NYY1NYK2 wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:I reallyyy don't understand why people think we can beat Miami.

What's up with these threads? Are people serious? Miami can't beat us? WTF ?

Are you talking about a single regular season game, or a playoff series? Either way, we're probably going to lose.

Hmm let me see:

Amare, Gallo, AR >>> Lebron, Wade, Bosh.

Yeaaa, sounds about right.

No you moron, Amare will kill haslem, AR will repeatedly dunk on Bosh, Felton will destroy chalmers. Gallo cant keep up with bron, but he certainly can hold his own. And if it comes to the bench our bench beats theirs ANY and Every day

EPIC FAIL. The team we have is as good as any team in the league? We're at best the 6th seed in the East. So that makes us as good as LA and Miami?

Me? Moron?
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7/24/2010  3:50 AM
The only thing with CP3 is that by the time Dec comes about, he could be producing at an elite level. Getting him then could cost us more, unless. . .If our guys start having career seasons and such, we might not need to give away the farm afterall. It is a gamble, of course. I think, potential in our youngsters is worth a lot.
As for Miami matchups its: Bosh vs. Amare, Lebron vs.Gallo and AR double team, Wade vs. Felton;
We got all the shotblockers. Oh, their outside game might be the only way of not driving it inside and getting stuffed? Well , their outside game is not their strongest point anyway.
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7/24/2010  4:42 AM
Having some shot blockers doesn't nullify all the talent they have. I doubt James and D wade will have a problem scoring on Randolph, Turiaf and Stoudamire.
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7/24/2010  8:13 AM
If Miller is as gun shy as he was last year (10 ppg in 33 min) then defenses will be able to pack it in and let Miami Thrice try to shoot their way to W'a.

What will be terrible is if all of them get star treatment from the refs. That's what will make them unstoppable. They'll spend all game at the line.

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7/24/2010  8:35 AM
wow people are losing it. the knicks are as good as any team in the league?? it's fine to be excited about the roster additions but a little bit of reality testing should accompany some of these posts.
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7/24/2010  9:18 AM
Some of you are so stupid

I hate Miami as much as anyone, but if you honestly think this Knick team can beat a team that consists of BOSH, LEBRON, AND WADE, then you sir are an idiot

And I am one of the optimistic ones who think the Knicks can pull off 50 wins
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7/24/2010  10:48 AM
Nyballa561 wrote:Some of you are so stupid

I hate Miami as much as anyone, but if you honestly think this Knick team can beat a team that consists of BOSH, LEBRON, AND WADE, then you sir are an idiot

And I am one of the optimistic ones who think the Knicks can pull off 50 wins

I'm one of those who think you have to let the season begin before you come to a conclusion. All of these predictions are worth a hill of beans

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7/24/2010  11:33 AM
Marv wrote:wow people are losing it. the knicks are as good as any team in the league?? it's fine to be excited about the roster additions but a little bit of reality testing should accompany some of these posts.

Thank You.
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7/24/2010  11:34 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/24/2010  11:34 AM
Nyballa561 wrote:Some of you are so stupid

I hate Miami as much as anyone, but if you honestly think this Knick team can beat a team that consists of BOSH, LEBRON, AND WADE, then you sir are an idiot

And I am one of the optimistic ones who think the Knicks can pull off 50 wins

Thank you. Maybe he's thinking with the head BELOW his shoulders?
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7/24/2010  1:12 PM
Nyballa561 wrote:Some of you are so stupid

I hate Miami as much as anyone, but if you honestly think this Knick team can beat a team that consists of BOSH, LEBRON, AND WADE, then you sir are an idiot

And I am one of the optimistic ones who think the Knicks can pull off 50 wins

Perhaps you would feel more comfortable on one of the other forums?

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7/24/2010  3:46 PM
knickstorrents wrote:Building a championship team is a marathon, not a race (even Miami required 2 years of planning by wade, bosh, lbj). We have to wait until Dec. 15th anyway, and by then we'll see if Paul can still play. If we can't get Paul for a reasonable price, just wait out the 2 years of his contract (let someone else overpay and gut their roster and draft picks).

We will need the cap flexibility for next year to sign Melo, then we can sign Paul the year after. All the while, our team has a chance to gel and we are still preserving assets.

the point of accumulating young assets is to have pieces to trade for superstar players... this method is a tried & true method... trading away young assets to clear cap space to win a championship was NOT... this year's Miami Heat squad has not won anything yet, so let's all calm down on crowning that team the kings of the NBA just yet... i find it unbelievable that people were so quick to buy into the unproven plan but have so many misgivings about following the proven one... it's madness... i agree w/u that we shouldn't completely gut our entire roster just to get CP3, but to hedge on giving up 1 of either Gallo or AR along w/players like Wilson & Toney Douglas is ridiculous...

btw, how do you figure we'll have the cap space to sign Melo next summer & then CP3 the year after? please explain when we'll already have Amare's contract value going up every year incrementally along with the issue of having to re-sign Gallo and/or Anthony Randolph & Wilson Chandler? so wait, you're willing to let those young guys go in 2 years time to sign CP3, but you're not willing to trade those guys now to get CP3? please explain how that makes sense.

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7/24/2010  3:56 PM
TMS wrote:i find it unbelievable that people were so quick to buy into the unproven plan but have so many misgivings about following the proven one...

there is no "proven" plan. luck plays just as much a part in all of this as strategy does. if we get lucky our "young assets" will turn into superstars. or are you absolutely certain that it's "proven" that neither AR nor Gallo nor Felton can make the jump?

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7/24/2010  4:22 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/24/2010  4:22 PM
TMS wrote:
knickstorrents wrote:Building a championship team is a marathon, not a race (even Miami required 2 years of planning by wade, bosh, lbj). We have to wait until Dec. 15th anyway, and by then we'll see if Paul can still play. If we can't get Paul for a reasonable price, just wait out the 2 years of his contract (let someone else overpay and gut their roster and draft picks).

We will need the cap flexibility for next year to sign Melo, then we can sign Paul the year after. All the while, our team has a chance to gel and we are still preserving assets.

the point of accumulating young assets is to have pieces to trade for superstar players... this method is a tried & true method... trading away young assets to clear cap space to win a championship was NOT... this year's Miami Heat squad has not won anything yet, so let's all calm down on crowning that team the kings of the NBA just yet... i find it unbelievable that people were so quick to buy into the unproven plan but have so many misgivings about following the proven one... it's madness... i agree w/u that we shouldn't completely gut our entire roster just to get CP3, but to hedge on giving up 1 of either Gallo or AR along w/players like Wilson & Toney Douglas is ridiculous...

btw, how do you figure we'll have the cap space to sign Melo next summer & then CP3 the year after? please explain when we'll already have Amare's contract value going up every year incrementally along with the issue of having to re-sign Gallo and/or Anthony Randolph & Wilson Chandler? so wait, you're willing to let those young guys go in 2 years time to sign CP3, but you're not willing to trade those guys now to get CP3? please explain how that makes sense.

I'm with you... if the team already gave up what it gave up to try and sign two max UFAs this offseason, doesn't it make the most sense to go and get a guy who is ALREADY one of the NBA's best to pair with our other acquisition who is already in that category?

Bottomline is it is easier to acquire third and fourth options that first and second. If the team is guaranteed a chance to acquire a first and second this offseason, you have to do it, even if the other guys may one day blossom. I would absolutely love watching Five+ seasons of Paul-to-Amar'e, and fill the roster out from that. Right now, Amar'e/Gallo/AR/Chandler/Felton/Douglas is the Eastern Conference version of the Rockets. Good, but not great

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